Listen to the audio. The OCer immediately offered to show the cop his permit, but the cop was adamant that OC was illegal despite any permit. Even the Chief of Police admits that his cops were not sufficiently aware of the law -- which has allowed open carry SINCE 1996. This was an illegal stop that was not based on RAS or PC, but only on the cop's ignorance of the law. The cop's behavior and language was over the top and we should all hope that the IA investigation will not white-wash his actions. I wonder when the Mayor of Philadelphia will get weary of all of the substantiated stories about the unprofessionalism of his police department...And? Show em your papers,keep em calm, and carry on. Right,wrong, or PITA though it may be, you are in a hostile environment-adapt until it gets set right.
Dont be a moron like the one in the story,and agitate the cop-esp. if he's already a candyasss,agitated and pointing his gun at you.That is NOT the time to be trying to "educate" the cop.
Do it after the fact, and take it up with his superiors, or in court, if need be.
Common sense: both rare commodities.
And? Show em your papers,keep em calm, and carry on. Right,wrong, or PITA though it may be, you are in a hostile environment-adapt until it gets set right.
Dont be a moron like the one in the story,and agitate the cop-esp. if he's already a candyasss,agitated and pointing his gun at you.That is NOT the time to be trying to "educate" the cop.
Do it after the fact, and take it up with his superiors, or in court, if need be.
Common sense: both rare commodities.
"...Lt. Raymond Evers, a spokesman for the city police, told FoxNews.com that gun owners who open carry, which is legal in the city, may be asked to lay on the ground until officers feel safe while they check permits..."
That is taken from the article. I have an issue with being told to lay on the ground "until the officers feel safe" as I'm not a dog. I also don't believe having me lay down on the ground would be a lawful order, but instead would be excessive use of force for the situation. Additionally while I don't agree with the stop, I understand that it is lawful and therefore would comply with it. The issue (in regards to the cops) is in how the stop is conducted.
And just because a cop is agitated/upset/whatever doesn't mean that one should roll over and be compliant. That's like telling someone who is being raped that they shouldn't resist their attacker and instead should just take it and then press for damages afterwards. The person in the article reasonably stood his ground as he was right and he didn't allow himself to be scared of the cops. You might not agree with it, but I applaud him for being able to stand up for himself as he did in that type of a situation.
And? Show em your papers,keep em calm, and carry on. Right,wrong, or PITA though it may be, you are in a hostile environment-adapt until it gets set right.
Dont be a moron like the one in the story,and agitate the cop-esp. if he's already a candyasss,agitated and pointing his gun at you.That is NOT the time to be trying to "educate" the cop.
Do it after the fact, and take it up with his superiors, or in court, if need be.
Common sense: both rare commodities.
And? Show em your papers,keep em calm, and carry on. Right,wrong, or PITA though it may be, you are in a hostile environment-adapt until it gets set right.
Dont be a moron like the one in the story,and agitate the cop-esp. if he's already a candyasss,agitated and pointing his gun at you.That is NOT the time to be trying to "educate" the cop.
Do it after the fact, and take it up with his superiors, or in court, if need be.
Common sense: both rare commodities.
Excuse ME!!! The Cop was the MORON, He had No Right to use and threaten "DEADLY FORCE". The pointing of a firearm at someone and threatening to use it, is DEADLY FORCE!!!
The mere presence of a firearm does not mean a crime is being committed. Does that mean every person driving a car is stopped to be checked for a License?
If the cop is scared of firearms he should find a new line of work. How Can I say This? Well I spent over thirty years of my life as Wildlife Officer, ie Game Warden, so people have firearms and the point is, I agree don't get complacent, but the public is not the enemy.
Don't fight being raped work it out later in court if need be..........
Once you consent it is hard to defend your self later in court even if you were only consenting to make the encounter a little more unpleasant.
What made the 'stop' legal in your opinion? The citizen was walking along a public thoroughfare in a completely legal condition. The cop had no RAS or PC to stop him, anymore than he would have had stopping a driver to see if they had a valid license to drive.
Just plain common-sense,is all. Right, wrong or otherwise, unless/until they get it sorted out-what's the smarter play? (your own feelings about wanting to stop or not)
Agitate a candyasss officer who's already exhibiting a high amount of stress (listen to his voice on that audio-that's not the sound of a guy in control of himself or his anxieties) esp. if he has already drawn out on you?
Or keep your cool, man-up and deal with it, and once he's gotten his assurance that you have id/permit etc, get the officer's info-get an att'y, and take it up with his highers at a later point?
The clown in the audio (not video,convenient enough) ranting and carrying on in an attempt to correct or "educate" the officer was only making things worse.And making himself-to the officers-look like a smartass.
Personally, If Im pointing my pistol at you,demanding some kind of compliance, and your silly enough to argue with me about it, Im inclined to think maybe youre not too stable.So why should a cop-who's used to having his authority and such-be inclined to think anything else either?
The officer has the badge, the gun and the authority. At the time something like this goes down, you can be pretty sure his word is what's going to carry the day-for the moment.
Let his superiors re-educate his ignorant self and possibly reprimand the guy.
"That is taken from the article. I have an issue with being told to lay on the ground "until the officers feel safe" as I'm not a dog.
And given that the person wasn't shot I would say that he reasonably resisted. And the cop doesn't have the "authority" to act illegal unless you're also saying that "might makes right" in the heat of the moment.
Also even if you're pointing a gun at someone just because they don't listen to you doesn't mean they're unstable. We are talking about a cop, who is "supposed" to be different than a criminal. And the person in question was trying to reasonably disarm the situation. Not his fault that the cop wasn't reasonable and he shouldn't be attacked for standing up for himself even if you wouldn't of done it that way.
After all, should Rosa Parks of moved to the back of the bus and simply gone to court after being threatened to be forcibly removed from the bus? Or what about any other peaceful resistance to illegal/tyrannical force? Should they simply roll over and seek their changes elsewhere? Eventually you have to make a "stand" for your rights and what you believe in or know to be right. He chose this spot, and is still alive so I would say he was successful. Not to mention all this media coverage has the whole nation talking and could very well lead to meaningful change; something that wouldn't be happening had he simply complied.