OC in Nevada

Went to the Meadows Mall today, searched around here and heard mixed reactions with posts that were almost a year old. I was in there for about 15 minutes to pick up something specific that was on hold for me and I didn't run into any Paul Blart Mall Cops, so maybe I got lucky.

Craftymommy said:

This is my first time posting but this thread encouraged my husband to go out tonight and open carry. We went to BJ's off Ann Rd and the 95 freeway. Husband did call ahead to double check and they actually have a policy in place to accept open carry. No one said anything to him and saw a few other customers glance at the gun but no odd looks though they did look another direction pretty fast. Granted we were out as a family with our young children which may have shown that he was a law abiding citizen but all the same it went great for his first time. We moved here a year ago from California and have not had the guts to OC yet and finally did because of finding this thread, so thank you so much! I need to find a good holster for me and I will be carrying as well.


As a side note, we would love to go to a meet up since we are still getting used to all the freedom we have here, even after a year!

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Welcome. Sorry it's been awhile since I've been to the site. Anyhow...

I go to that BJs often and ALWAYS OC - never an issue. I also have a Bersa like the one in your pic. Cool!

FedSlave said:

I had checked all of the entrances and did not see any signs discouraging me from carrying my sidearm. .

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A word of advice. Stop giving them false power by talking about signs. On pvt biz in NV they have no force of law on a pvt biz. Other than they can tell you to leave and trespass you. Telling them you didnt see signs etc just gives them the idea and power then to put them up. As far as carry in the Silverton, I think you have been lucky. They are very anti carry. As are most casinos. It is one reason to have a CCW if you have to go into them. And many times we do because friends and family like to visit Vegas.

Vegassteve said:

A word of advise. Stop giving them false power by talking about signs. On pvt biz in NV they have no force of law on a pvt biz. Other than they can tell you to leave and trespass you. Telling them you didnt see signs etc just gives them the idea and power then to put them up. As far as carry in the Silverton, I think you have been lucky. They are very anti carry. As are most casinos. It is one reason to have a CCW if you have to go into them. And many times we do because friends and family like to visit Vegas.

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I agree. You have to pick your battles. With private property, it's always at their discretion. We've found that casinos are unwilling to bend to accommodate armed patrons. It seems they don't need your business and don't care if you go elsewhere. Sometimes our need or want to do something, will force us to make a decision to go unarmed or concealed, if legally permitted. I don't frequent casinos, but have been to some, locally, for dinner or with visiting friends or family. I simply conceal, as I'm permitted, by law, to do.

OC vs CC

FallonJeeper said:

I agree. You have to pick your battles. With private property, it always at their discretion. We've found that casinos are unwilling to bend to accommodate armed patrons. It seems they don't need your business and don't care if you go elsewhere. Sometimes our need or want to do something, will force us to make a decision to go unarmed or concealed, if legally permitted. I don't frequent casinos, but have been to some, locally, for dinner or with visiting friends or family. I simply conceal, as I'm permitted, by law, to do.

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My issue with CC is that to get a waiver and surrender my rights to CC (is this not what a permit, waiver, license is?), I am known to all domestic and foreign governments as well as the UN that I may be armed. This is one reason I prefer to OC. I do not have to sign my rights away and let any foreign government know that I may be armed. I do not frequent Casinos. I go to the Silverton for CCRP meetings and the South Point for gun shows. I went to the Cosmo not with OC in mind. I was unaware that I would have to go through the Cosmo to reach my destination. I was just in the habit of having my gun on my belt and not in a habit of going to casinos.
Thanks for your reply. I generally do not have any issues when I OC. I am a firm believer in choosing your battles. I did not chose this on intentionally. I do admit that I do not come here often enough for all of your wisdom and experience.

FedSlave said:

My issue with CC is that to get a waiver and surrender my rights to CC (is this not what a permit, waiver, license is?), I am known to all domestic and foreign governments as well as the UN that I may be armed. This is one reason I prefer to OC. I do not have to sign my rights away and let any foreign government know that I may be armed. I do not frequent Casinos. I go to the Silverton for CCRP meetings and the South Point for gun shows. I went to the Cosmo not with OC in mind. I was unaware that I would have to go through the Cosmo to reach my destination. I was just in the habit of having my gun on my belt and not in a habit of going to casinos.
Thanks for your reply. I generally do not have any issues when I OC. I am a firm believer in choosing your battles. I did not chose this on intentionally. I do admit that I do not come here often enough for all of your wisdom and experience.

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"To CC or to not CC, paying for a right.... that is the question" - I too struggled with this for years. I have been carrying since I was 16. I am now 44. I have had a CCW only twice in my life for a total of about 6 years so far. You do the math on my respect for unjust laws. It is a hard pill to swallow that someone would have me pay for what I feel is most definitely my natural right. And how absurd that a thin cloth layer (shirt) over my sidearm constitutes a felony. HOWEVER, it was when I started open carrying that I considered it important to get my CCW yet again. Why?

Simple, I am now actively drawing attention to myself. I will be remembered wherever I go, having been OC. I have also grown extremely comfortable carrying. Or I should say, "extremely uncomfortable" NOT carrying. There are places that I want or need to go that would prohibit me protecting myself with a firearm if they knew I had one.

So, understanding that might is most definitely right (like it or not) I thought it best to jump through their hoops, pay their illegal fees and place my name on yet another set of "watch-lists" if it will keep them from taking away even more of my freedoms if & when I were to get busted. And now that I am loud and proud about being armed, I wouldn't be surprised.

Think of it like this: If I refuse to comply with illegal checkpoints (DUI, produce, immigration, etc.) the best thing in my arsenal to keep me from a world of hassle and possible expense is to be recording the event and sending the video live off site. The CCW is kinda like that. Just something in my arsenal that involves hassle & expense NOW to avoid even more hassle and expense later. Sadly neither the CCW or camera should be needed, but people suck and so it is. Those with power will do anything to keep it. Might is right.

I don't need anyone's permission to carry a firearm (and I will carry regardless). I need permission to avoid greater hassle and expense. Effort & reward.

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....Oh and btw, the few spots on the strip where you HAVE to walk through a casino as the sidewalk goes right through them with NO WAY to go anywhere else, I very proudly OC even if I were previously cc.

My view, even though it is in a casino that may prohibit weapons, technically I am still on city property (easement) - the sidewalk. Never been an issue. Just lots of tourist on-lookers.

mp06011999 said:

....Oh and btw, the few spots on the strip where you HAVE to walk through a casino as the sidewalk goes right through them with NO WAY to go anywhere else, I very proudly OC even if I were previously cc.

My view, even though it is in a casino that may prohibit weapons, technically I am still on city property (easement) - the sidewalk. Never been an issue. Just lots of tourist on-lookers.

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Thank you for your input. I am considering a CCW. I do prefer to OC. I did not intend to OC in any strip casinos on the day I mentioned. It just worked out that way. The people I spoke to on the Strip did seam to appreciate that I was OC. In the future, I would avoid going in any casinos. They are in the business of sucking money from people and not in the business of respecting peoples rights.
I just have to satisfy my wife as she is pissed that her daughter cannot go into the Cosmo. I am told they have a great club and pool.

FedSlave said:

Thank you for your input. I am considering a CCW. I do prefer to OC. I did not intend to OC in any strip casinos on the day I mentioned. It just worked out that way. The people I spoke to on the Strip did seam to appreciate that I was OC. In the future, I would avoid going in any casinos. They are in the business of sucking money from people and not in the business of respecting peoples rights.
I just have to satisfy my wife as she is pissed that her daughter cannot go into the Cosmo. I am told they have a great club and pool.

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Just go back - you will have to disarm or CC, but I doubt they actually blacklisted you. Did they take down a name or photo or anything from you?

The worst they would do is make you leave again - again I highly doubt you are truly blackballed from their Casino for something like that. They care about losing money, and you were not cheating or trying to rip them off, just caused a minor inconvenience to a power hungry security guard that likely overstated his importance as well as your consequence.

FedSlave said:

Thank you for your input. I am considering a CCW. I do prefer to OC. I did not intend to OC in any strip casinos on the day I mentioned. It just worked out that way. The people I spoke to on the Strip did seam to appreciate that I was OC. In the future, I would avoid going in any casinos. They are in the business of sucking money from people and not in the business of respecting peoples rights.
I just have to satisfy my wife as she is pissed that her daughter cannot go into the Cosmo. I am told they have a great club and pool.

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I was at the Cosmo pool one day enjoying the sun in my Speedo. At 250 pounds a real sight. Next thing I know I had a group of Green Peace looking persons with blankets and buckets of water splashing me and trying to shove me into the pool.

FedSlave said:

My issue with CC is that to get a waiver and surrender my rights to CC (is this not what a permit, waiver, license is?), I am known to all domestic and foreign governments as well as the UN that I may be armed. This is one reason I prefer to OC. I do not have to sign my rights away and let any foreign government know that I may be armed. I do not frequent Casinos. I go to the Silverton for CCRP meetings and the South Point for gun shows. I went to the Cosmo not with OC in mind. I was unaware that I would have to go through the Cosmo to reach my destination. I was just in the habit of having my gun on my belt and not in a habit of going to casinos.
Thanks for your reply. I generally do not have any issues when I OC. I am a firm believer in choosing your battles. I did not chose this on intentionally. I do admit that I do not come here often enough for all of your wisdom and experience.

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I don't see how getting a CCW is surrendering my rights. I can still OC, and do OC, most of the time. Having CCW just gives me more options.

1. I can carry in the 1000' Federal Gun Free School Zone with out having to unload and case/lock my firearm. Not that any local LE is going to catch me and prosecute me, I follow all the laws, local, state and federal. With a CCW I never give it a second thought.

2. I don't always have to or want to deal with the anti's. Let's call it "what they don't know, won't hurt them". As I discussed earlier, sometimes, for convenience or because I just choose not to fight the fight, I'll conceal, when I know that the establishment will not bend to customer pressure. I get what I want. I'm not disarmed and they are none the wiser. I can have my dinner with friends, at the restaurant of their choice, even if they are known to be an anti-gun establishment, and not have to leave my firearm in the car or at home. I win.

No real other reasons, I can find, to CCW. It's actually legal to OC in more places than it is to CC.

I pay the price for convenience, and choices, not to give up or keep a right.

Went to golden corral tonight while OC. Only the dessert was good, but not worth going back. It was pretty packed. While there the table next to us was nervous at first but got over it quickly. There was a table that was to my back, that my husband was facing, and according to him those customers were scared to get up and wouldnt let their kids up to get food while we were there. He also said each time I got up they stared at me like a deer in the headlights. No confrontation and none of the employees said anything.

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Just to chime in on CC: I know it's "paying for a right", asking for permission, etc. I struggled with that back before my first permit application mainly because I didn't like the idea that the .gov wants my finger prints. But, I had a juvenile record and I severely doubt the fingerprints they took from me at that time got "sealed" as they claim. So, I sucked it up and applied.

I like OC. I'd be happier with full on Constitutional Carry so I could OC or CC as I choose. But until then, I like the option of concealing and I don't like the felony attached to concealing without a permit. Like I've mentioned prior, I'm not a huge OC'er (and I know that attitude pisses some folks off, I'm sorry and don't know what to tell you). I don't view paying for CC as a loss of the right, but at this moment it's simply the only option for concealment and I want that option.

jfrey123 said:

Just to chime in on CC: I know it's "paying for a right", asking for permission, etc. I struggled with that back before my first permit application mainly because I didn't like the idea that the .gov wants my finger prints. But, I had a juvenile record and I severely doubt the fingerprints they took from me at that time got "sealed" as they claim. So, I sucked it up and applied.

I like OC. I'd be happier with full on Constitutional Carry so I could OC or CC as I choose. But until then, I like the option of concealing and I don't like the felony attached to concealing without a permit. Like I've mentioned prior, I'm not a huge OC'er (and I know that attitude pisses some folks off, I'm sorry and don't know what to tell you). I don't view paying for CC as a loss of the right, but at this moment it's simply the only option for concealment and I want that option.

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Having the choice whether to OC, CC, or noC should always be an individual decision, not mandated by the state. Until that day, I will be happy, no matter what their personal style is if they simply do not impede how I choose to carry.

I do OC 24/7...and CC some. Think that adds up to more than 100%, then you got it

FedSlave said:

Thank you for your input. I am considering a CCW. I do prefer to OC. I did not intend to OC in any strip casinos on the day I mentioned. It just worked out that way. The people I spoke to on the Strip did seam to appreciate that I was OC. In the future, I would avoid going in any casinos. They are in the business of sucking money from people and not in the business of respecting peoples rights.
I just have to satisfy my wife as she is pissed that her daughter cannot go into the Cosmo. I am told they have a great club and pool.

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Yea I highly doubt you've been banned as well. Security guards are notoriously full of misinformation. As such, they should never be the final say. Call during business hours and ask to speak to the Manager that is over Security - not a security guard of any sort, but a manager. When I have done this it has taken a couple of days before I get a call back but it has always been from someone who truly has knowledge of the laws much more than a security guard and who has no "chip on their shoulder" to act as a cop, but rather as a diplomat that wants harmony. I leave a very detailed message about my concerns and my guess is that these managers are spending a little time educating themselves on laws Vs. policy before they call me back. Everytime it has been an educated discussion.

Not that is turns out in my favor, but at least I am having an intelligent discussion with someone who has taken the time to educate themselves on what the law and company policy is. My guess, there is no way you were banned and the security guards were talking / acting out of place by saying so. Ask their boss.

z28power said:

Just go back - you will have to disarm or CC, but I doubt they actually blacklisted you. Did they take down a name or photo or anything from you?

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I looked away when one guard was taking our pictures as we were walking to my car. I do intend on giving the Director of Security a call and straighten this out. Thanks for the replies and info!

When it comes to having to get a CCW permit, I too have heart ache with asking permission to conceal, which is a negative. Getting a CCW may give the powers to be the feeling the CCW permit offers them a cretin level of control over gun owners, another negative. However I believe there is positives from obtaining CCWs. It is a record of public carried firearms that can be used against the anti gun idiots.

A good example of this is many years ago Florida started issuing CCWs to any legal person that went though the process to get one. The news went across the nation, the statistics was used by other states pro gun movements to encourage their state to go to shall issue.

They would refer to the 10s of thousands Florida CCWs association with violent crime drop and dispute the many anti guns groups BS saying “there is going to be all kinds of shootout over parking, bar shootings would be like the old west” just to name a few. Now they have proof of 100s of thousands of their own numbers of public carried firearms proving there anti gun concerns were bogus. A real positive to pro-gun owners in my opinion.

Arizona had a huge increase in CCWs with that fact and there were no issues from the increase of CCWs holders they now allow any legal AZ resident to CC without a permit. (However they do have some goofy laws regarding CCing in a place that serves alcohol.)

I contend we can use the CCW permission slip against them, if every legal NV gun owner got a CCW it would be an in their face statistic of real numbers. Proving more public legal carried firearms lowers violent crime and the fear of gunfights in the streets is a pipe dream. Another statistic to help prove to the anti gun idiots they are full of it. We would have additional data to shot for a AZ no permit needed law.

Today went to Bed Bath and Beyond Rainbow and 215 for a nap I mean shopping OCed no problems. Went to Sears on Warm Springs OCing no problems. Then to Kohl’s on Valley Verde however it is spelled no issues. Alpplebee’s Warm Springs no issues.

Was OCing all day today. Ran a couple errands at some small businesses near sunset and Gibson, then some classy Chinese at panda express. After that, my wife and I went sitting together at green valley range. Wasn't busy at all, got the gun cleaned for free afterwards. Picked up kids and OCd at home until date night with the wife. Went CC after that, as we had to go through some casinos and didn't want to ruin anniversary night with the wife by receiving an impromptu kick from anywhere we may have gone. Good day for OC for me.

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My Vegas Experience

Well. was having too much fun, and hotel internet sucked, so hard to post until now. I'll try to keep it short and readable and hope the formatting lets me do paragraphs.
I had a great time in Vegas. I met up with MAC again, and met some new people (Craftymommy and her husband and kids, as well as Russ and his wife, but im not sure if he is on here.. he is on the Facebook Page).

As soon as I picked up my luggage at the airport, I went into the bathroom stall and "holstered up"...which was probably a mistake, as I had no problems there or with the taxi, but we had to drop off our luggage at the bell desk of the Quad and wait a few hours to check in. I knew that the Bell Desk was just inside the door, so I stayed OC, walked up to them, and he took our bags, and said "You're not local are you?" (um... im booking into a hotel.???) He called security. The security guy was pleasant, but gave me the lecture while escorting me out. While being fully compliant with his requests to exit, I told him I knew the laws, and that I was just going to Bell Desk and out again, but "You can't bring a gun into a Casino, Don't do it again" was what I got from him... I didn't want to argue the fact that I wasn't in a casino, but in a hotel where it is my temporary residence... I didn't want to get arrested and ruin my wife's vacation.
The whole time we were walking (really, about 30 seconds) he was on his radio.. "I'm escorting a man with a weapon"... really? But to his credit, when the people on the other end of his radio asked if he wanted back up and help, he turned them down saying "No, he is being quite co-operative and friendly" (Must be my Canadian charm):lol: "I am just telling him the rules and not to bring a gun in a casino again"

I carried down the strip as much as I could.. had a few people notice, but say nothing... had a group of "rap stars" selling CDs confront me on carrying, asking why I had "a Glock and 2 clips"... and what I was afraid of... I said "I have more than two MAGAZINES... and I'm not afraid of ANYTHING".. they didn't try to stop us, or anything, but they were loud about it.

I carried into the Fashion Mall at least 4 times with just a couple stares, one kiosk girl doing the typical "IS THAT LOADED ?!?!?!".. um.. yes lady, it's loaded (me rolling eyes).
StripBurger again was totally receptive to open carry... even when we had a group of us, 4 out of 6 adults carrying, plus CraftyMommy's kids (not carrying :lol. It is really a non-issue with them. They obviously see them, but never mention them. I have talked to the manager before on other trips, about being impressed that he allowed me in carrying and that I would let my friends know and he may get more business.
The one thing I hate about OC on the strip is having to unload/lock up into my bag through the casino to get to my room. Even though it is my temporary residence, I know that having that pistol in a bag, even when unloaded, and locked, is pushing the limits on "concealed"... and having to find a nice private space away from eyes, while i take it out of my holster to put it in my bag is a bit...unnerving. I know that at one spot, Security saw me do it, but said nothing. Even if they did, I would just deny a search.. but still puts my wife in a bad spot.