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Last edited by OC-moto450r; 08-02-2012 at 05:39 PM.
My family belongs to a food coop and we were picking up our weekly produce baskets at the park next to Central Christian Church off Russell. I was approached by one of the volunteer workers. He thanked me for being armed. This really reminded me that I need to carry a pamphlet about open carry for such occasions.
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People fear what they don't understand. It's possible that some will engage a conversation as a way of checking things out. They don't know what to say, so they come up with whatever comes in their heads. The more people realize that there is nothing to fear, the better.Originally Posted by jfrey123
The Post Office is covered by 39 CFR 232.1:
http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text....0.1.1&idno=39
Notice that there is no "no-coviction" penalty for the premesis not being posted, and also posting is not even required to be at the entrances. It's also against the law to leave the gun in the car in the parking lot of a real post office, because then you are storing a firearm on postal property.§ 232.1 Conduct on postal property.
(a) Applicability. This section applies to all real property under the charge and control of the Postal Service, to all tenant agencies, and to all persons entering in or on such property. This section shall be posted and kept posted at a conspicuous place on all such property.
(l) Weapons and explosives . Notwithstanding the provisions of any other law, rule or regulation, no person while on postal property may carry firearms, other dangerous or deadly weapons, or explosives, either openly or concealed, or store the same on postal property, except for official purposes.
(p) Penalties and other law. (1) Alleged violations of these rules and regulations are heard, and the penalties prescribed herein are imposed, either in a Federal district court or by a Federal magistrate in accordance with applicable court rules. Questions regarding such rules should be directed to the regional counsel for the region involved.
(2) Whoever shall be found guilty of violating the rules and regulations in this section while on property under the charge and control of the Postal Service is subject to a fine as provided in 18 U.S.C. 3571 or imprisonment of not more than 30 days, or both. Nothing contained in these rules and regulations shall be construed to abrogate any other Federal laws or regulations or any State and local laws and regulations applicable to any area in which the property is situated.
(q) Enforcement. (1) Members of the U.S. Postal Service security force shall exercise the powers provided by 18 U.S.C. 3061(c)(2) and shall be responsible for enforcing the regulations in this section in a manner that will protect Postal Service property and persons thereon.
(2) Local postmasters and installation heads may, pursuant to 40 U.S.C. 1315(d)(3) and with the approval of the chief postal inspector or his designee, enter into agreements with State and local enforcement agencies to insure that these rules and regulations are enforced in a manner that will protect Postal Service property.
(3) Postal Inspectors, Office of Inspector General Criminal Investigators, and other persons designated by the Chief Postal Inspector may likewise enforce regulations in this section.
The regulation is only applicable to the portion of the premises under the control of the post office, so that means in post offices in grocery stores only the property behind the postal counter is off limits. You can carry right up to the counter and do your business, because in front of the counter is still grocery store and you can carry in the parking lot which is also grocery store property.
In a mall, you can't take your gun into the area behind the entrance that is exclusively post office, because they rent that whole store space. But, again, carrying the gun in the mall proper would not violate the post office regulation, nor would the parking lot.
Carrying into a store such as Mail and More also does not violate the regulation because their store is not real property under the control of the post office. They are simply a retailer who has an agreement with the post office and their customers to deliver mail.
Last edited by NavyLCDR; 05-31-2011 at 05:04 PM.
This is good news, glad they did not run you out however surprise they did not. A few questions how noticeable is you firearm in your open carry mode? Do you believe any of the employees noticed it? How long were in the Nugget. One day I may want to give the Nugget a OC try.
I just moved to Battle Mountain two days ago, and on the trip I had a flat around Henderson, I got my tire fixed and only comment I got was to fined out the caliber. Sense I've been in Battle Mountain I've went in the Owl Club to eat, Wells Fargo to change account from AZ. to NV., where as I was talking to the bank president, the Lander County Sheriff came in to do some banking also, not even a word, the chamber of commerce, where I met with a businessman about buying a large piece of land, the grocery store, and the post office to get a PO box and change my address, when me and my wife were walking in, there was a NV. highway patrol in the parking lot, no sign on door, and officer said nothing, I know he seen my firearm. I told PO employees we walked up here and asked if it was a problem, she said " no, this is cowboy country and we do things different," I've not seen a no gun sign anywhere, and not a word about my firearm.
Just in case you did not know, you violated a Federal regulation:
39 CFR (Code of Federal Regulations) 232.1:
http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text....0.1.1&idno=39
Is it really worth a Federal court conviction, fine and 30 days in a Federal penitentiary if someone does decide to care about enforcing the law?§ 232.1 Conduct on postal property.
(l) Weapons and explosives . Notwithstanding the provisions of any other law, rule or regulation, no person while on postal property may carry firearms, other dangerous or deadly weapons, or explosives, either openly or concealed, or store the same on postal property, except for official purposes.
(p) Penalties and other law. (1) Alleged violations of these rules and regulations are heard, and the penalties prescribed herein are imposed, either in a Federal district court or by a Federal magistrate in accordance with applicable court rules. Questions regarding such rules should be directed to the regional counsel for the region involved.
(2) Whoever shall be found guilty of violating the rules and regulations in this section while on property under the charge and control of the Postal Service is subject to a fine as provided in 18 U.S.C. 3571 or imprisonment of not more than 30 days, or both. Nothing contained in these rules and regulations shall be construed to abrogate any other Federal laws or regulations or any State and local laws and regulations applicable to any area in which the property is situated.
(q) Enforcement. (1) Members of the U.S. Postal Service security force shall exercise the powers provided by 18 U.S.C. 3061(c)(2) and shall be responsible for enforcing the regulations in this section in a manner that will protect Postal Service property and persons thereon.
(2) Local postmasters and installation heads may, pursuant to 40 U.S.C. 1315(d)(3) and with the approval of the chief postal inspector or his designee, enter into agreements with State and local enforcement agencies to insure that these rules and regulations are enforced in a manner that will protect Postal Service property.
(3) Postal Inspectors, Office of Inspector General Criminal Investigators, and other persons designated by the Chief Postal Inspector may likewise enforce regulations in this section.
I do understand what you are saying, but the Sheriff is the highest law in the county and Highway Patrol is a close second, and I talked to both today, and they said as long as I'm not violating someones rights with my firearm they will not get involved. I went in the Post Office again today to show ID that I didn't have with me yesterday, since we walked down there I was armed again, there was a rancher at the counter and he also was open carrying. I did my business with the Post Master, and I know she seen both our weapons.
My point is, just like the GFSZ, state, county, and local LE. don't have an obligation to enforce federal laws, and unless there is a federal officer from the Left Coast, Chicago, New York, etc...etc... there at the time, I just don't see who would care.
Today I had breakfast in the casino restaurant, I sat at the counter and the man next to me was also carrying, it was a 1911 45 APC, there was a local crazy man that has one leg that came in and caused a stank, the man next to me and security from the casino ran him out, the man called the Sheriff, they asked him if he was waring his gun, and he said yes, they said OK, and it is not smart to piss off a man with a gun, the Sheriff came, took the crazy man, and not a word to the guy next to me.
I also carried in McDonald's, the dollar store, and another grocery store, there was another rancher there that was open carrying. I've seen more people carrying in the four days I've been here, then I've seen in the 20 months I was in Lake Havasu, AZ. I love it here.
Good to see the commie influence is still out of rural Nevada. The only time I have spent in any of the rural NV towns was during several hunting seasons. I opened carried a 44mag 7.5in barrel with a scope on my hip as a second hunting firearm, never a problem OCing it. No real surprise it was the season for deer hunters. One thing about harvesting a 200-pound animal, one gets a firsthand look at the damage a large caliber handgun or high power rifle round does.
Did ride to the Dam to check out and walk across the new bridge today. Because of the information DON`T TREAD ON ME shared I did visit the bridge with an empty holster leaving the firearm locked up in the bike. On the way down the checkpoint guard stopped me. He says ride safe and waved me on. My large level 3 retention holster and firearm is on that side between him and I, nothing was said. Checking the mirror and listening for an indication to come back. Not seeing or hearing any rode to the bridge parking and locked up the firearm shortly after I got off the bike. Got a lot of looks at the empty holster however no remarks. Some areas were crowed and a tight fit walking past people, all were very polite.
Open carried while riding in Boulder City. Checking some old stomping grounds as 4 of my teenage years was in Boulder City. Was in a few Las Vegas Gas stations no problems.
May be we should consider and open carry motorcycle ride if there is enough with motorcycles.
Last edited by 28kfps; 06-05-2011 at 01:34 AM.
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Last edited by OC-moto450r; 08-02-2012 at 05:39 PM.
Interesting day of open carrying today. While getting ready to leave the Pahrump Home-Depot a guy walked up to me and asked what year my bike was. I told him he said I ride a such and such. Then he said what caliber are you carrying I told him. He said I have a 45 at home. Conversation turned back to the motorcycles did not get a chance to ask him why his 45 was at home.
Later at Smiths once again getting ready to leave a biker walked up to me and said ride safe, I said you bet thanks, you do the same and noticed he too was carrying. I said good to see you carrying. He said he does not leave home without it. More small talk then as he walked away I noticed he had a 10” pig sticker on the other hip.
Was in the Pahrump Smiths today. A person in line behind me noticed I had a southpaw-holstered firearm asked if I knew a good place to shop for a left-handed holster. After a short conversation on holsters, he said in Las Vegas, he carries concealed and would never carry open. Afraid of possible reactions. I told him I carry all the time in Vegas and so do many others. Told him about OC.org.
The clerk behind the Pharmacy counter heard part of our conversation said you need to be careful carrying in here, my husband was in Smiths and someone call the cops on him. I said wow I am in here all the time for the past two years carrying and never had an issue. She said well my husband is a biker with the leather, tattoos, and long beard.
First impression on the person carrying a legal firearm does appear to be a major factor if the person with the firearm is going to be confronted.
Last edited by 28kfps; 06-21-2011 at 12:30 AM.
I did the roofs on the two new shopping cart corrals out in the front. I think I know exactly who you are talking about. If I'm right she likes the blue/green eye shadow and he does have the outlaw biker look and carry's a 1911. I asked him what it was but I forgot. His Harley was pretty nice too.
I'll tell you one thing. If you like to people watch, Parhump is the place to go. Smith's was pretty entertaining. I could just imagine what Wal-Marx has to offer.
According to the web sight, this was taken in Nevada.
EDC=XDm40 16+1+16+16
RED DRAGONS!!!!
This guy's from Texas. I guess if you can't OC a pistol.
EDC=XDm40 16+1+16+16
RED DRAGONS!!!!
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Last edited by OC-moto450r; 08-02-2012 at 05:40 PM.
I guess I should have highlighted my last couple of experiences.
Last Sunday I took my oldest out shooting with a couple of my friends. On the way home we had to stop at Petco on Blue Diamond to get some stuff for his newly acquired gecko. I should add the that we where both OC'ing. When we where at the register paying. A women behind my son and asked if that was a real gun. His response "Why yes, it's a XDm40......" Her "What?" She didn't have a clue as to what he just said..lol. She was a little surprised that we where carry the way we where.
Then just this last Friday I took my youngest son to the DMV in Henderson. I think security may have seen my sidearm but I'm not sure. If he did he didn't say anything. While at the window after our number was called I seen a woman with a badge with a circle and a five pointed star(Marshal I think) on her belt walking past towards the exit. I gave her a nod which she returned. Now I know she seen me when I walked in because I was strong side as I walked past everyone on my way to find a seat. Now I don't know if it mattered or not. I was wearing a GOA shirt with "It's a right, not a privileged." across the back.
EDC=XDm40 16+1+16+16
RED DRAGONS!!!!
Black Mountain Recreation Center water park. Kids swam, my firearm and I sat in the shade and watched. Only one person, elderly man, said anything and he just asked me what I had in the holster because he was thinking about a new snubbie and wanted my opinon on some options. It was a nice chat.
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Article 1, Section 11, #1 of the Nevada Constitution: Every citizen has the right to keep and bear arms for security and defense, for lawful hunting and recreational use ..
Life member GOA and NRA, Member SAF & NV Firearms Coalition.
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Last edited by OC-moto450r; 08-02-2012 at 05:40 PM.
I love that guy who shows up and makes it very clear that he is watching you, usually standing with his arms folded and his feet shoulder width apart, right in the middle of the room, always behind you and to your strong side. He's typically a large man, over six feet tall, and for some reason they tend to have a beard and grey hair. He'll never smile or respond to anyone because this requires total focus. This guy will often position himself so you have to move around him but get within arms length of him to get by.
I call this guy "The Witness." Today, I had one of these guys follow me from the SG counter at Wall Mart, then to the automotive counter where I was getting an oil change, then to Home Depot where I was getting stuff to make a target stand and finally when he followed me over to Petco, I confronted him. I said "If you are not a police officer conducting an investigation, you are stalking me, and if you do not stop I will pursue criminal charges." He said "I'm just a responsible citizen, concerned about people walking around in public with guns." I asked this guy if he planned on following me all day long because, if he was, I could keep him really busy for a long time. He left mumbling something about how he hopes I get shot by the police like that "idiot" at Costco.
Last edited by Nevada carrier; 06-28-2011 at 04:48 PM.
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Was this guy telling you that he was your self appointed babbysitter? The guy was obviously a bit short of fully loaded. Why on earth would anyone want to follow a guy with a firearm around? I think I would have called in a stalking complaint on him. Someone like that should not be loose in the community. Perhaps when he told you his story you should have looked him right in the eyes and said something like "would you like to sign my petition to legalize 10 year olds carrying fully automatic weapons?"
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Last edited by The Big Guy; 06-28-2011 at 05:48 PM.
Article 1, Section 11, #1 of the Nevada Constitution: Every citizen has the right to keep and bear arms for security and defense, for lawful hunting and recreational use ..
Life member GOA and NRA, Member SAF & NV Firearms Coalition.
Dude! You should have whipped the phone out and shot some video of the interaction with your stalker.
I'm guessing you where at Arroyo Crossing's. If that's the case Depot had two different men OC'ing today. My receipt is showing 1300 exactly. I wasn't in there for more than 10 mins. though. Because my receipt from Sam's club has 1245 on it.
I'm sure we where dressed the exact opposite. I had just gotten of a work.
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EDC=XDm40 16+1+16+16
RED DRAGONS!!!!
Sorry if a little off topic, but I saw an I phone app that while not perfect, appears to upload at the end of the recording... Sweet feature.
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/cop-r...433040863?mt=8
"The two enemies of the people are criminals and government,
so let us tie the second down with the chains of the constitution
so the second will not become the legalized version of the first."
Thomas Jefferson
Should've asked him to make himself usefull and carry out your purchases!
Yeah, we were in there at the exact same time.Dude! You should have whipped the phone out and shot some video of the interaction with your stalker.
I'm guessing you where at Arroyo Crossing's. If that's the case Depot had two different men OC'ing today. My receipt is showing 1300 exactly. I wasn't in there for more than 10 mins. though. Because my receipt from Sam's club has 1245 on it.
I'm sure we where dressed the exact opposite. I had just gotten of a work.
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Nevada Campus Carry: The Movement Continues
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