TechnoWeenie
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Clearly, as the dog was getting it's life together. Straight A's in school, was looking for a job, and trying to start a new life after getting in many fights when he was young.
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Kirkland - Man attacked by pit bulls, shoots one of them in self defense
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Clearly, as the dog was getting it's life together. Straight A's in school, was looking for a job, and trying to start a new life after getting in many fights when he was young.
Badger Johnson
Regular Member
Fair enough. Have you ever tried a live drill? Have your spray on you and at a random time your buddy yells 'dog at 4:00', and see how fast you can deploy and spray? If you can do it in 3 seconds, (roughly) including time to uncap the durn thing and point the opening, and you always have it on you, then OK. Of course OC spray cans don't have a sight so it takes longer to get a hit on the nose (meaning you have to be more accurate). With a HG a hit anywhere is going to slow the dog down, and you have more bullets available. An OC runs out in a few seconds, IIRC.
But, again, what if you're down wind? To me, big dog (or three) is much more dangerous than a human, faster and more determined to sink teeth into you. I just don't think I'd want to play around. With a human there's such a big down side to shooting/killing I agree OC is a better option. You can out maneuver a human, but no way can you evade a dog (or three - impossible). Out of 10 trials, I'd guess you get bit 9 times and hit spray once. Too low odds for me.
With spray seems like you're 'spray and pray'. Gun you shoot and you pretty much get results. Don't know how much you practice with your OC but I'd bet you practice more with your HG than your OC by far.
In this case, three dogs is a pack and that makes behavior more unpredictable.
Anyway, just sayin'...
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sigfan
Regular Member
Kirkland police has also been advised to lick my beanbag after the incident I got charged with there. That doesn't mean they are going to follow as advised.
From what I understand, Kirkland police are officially WAY over staffed. They story is that they had planned to annex a few areas and therefor staffed up new police to handle the job. Since the annexation hasn't gone smoothly, Kirland police are overstaffed and bored so they are doing things that city cops don't normally do -- like patrol 405. They also need to make up revenue to pay for those cops since they don't have taxes coming in from those areas they planned to annex. This creates the perfect **** storm. Police who are bored and need to justify their existence with fines are a dangerous combination for law-abiding citizens. Exercise extreme caution while carrying there.
Monroe
New member
OC and animals
"Bear spray detoured attacks in 92% of the reported cases in the State of Alaska whereas firearms detoured only 68%."
http://northwestexplorerblog.blogspot.com/2011/04/best-defense-against-bears.html
This is a VERY interesting article. And, like using oc against a person, the preferred method would be to be ready to use the firearm if it fails.
"Bear spray detoured attacks in 92% of the reported cases in the State of Alaska whereas firearms detoured only 68%."
http://northwestexplorerblog.blogspot.com/2011/04/best-defense-against-bears.html
This is a VERY interesting article. And, like using oc against a person, the preferred method would be to be ready to use the firearm if it fails.
Monroe
New member
Two irresponsible dog owners with their dogs off-leash (the article doesn't say this is an off-leash area, and if it is, I am sorry. I am not aware of a dog park there). They are both idiots and jerks! At least the person who unleashed a deadly weapon in the form of a pack of killer dogs gets to pay the vet bill.
He may have gotten that out afterwards to try and keep from getting shot...still silly.
gogodawgs
Campaign Veteran
Bear spray is very effective against.....bears. However, I like to travel light and carry as little as possible when out and about. Therefore I carry a firearm. I am not looking to 'detour' a bear attack. I am looking to end the attack.
Trigger Dr
Regular Member
When in the woods, and you see a pile of crap, you can always tell if it is bear crap. Bear crap has bells in it and smells like OC or Pepper spray.
Aaron1124
Regular Member
I think the original joke had to do with being able to tell the difference between black bear crap and brown bear crap. The black bear crap had berries in it, and the brown bear crap had bells and smelled like pepper. Or something like that! LOL
BigDave
Opt-Out Members
Just because it is online does not mean it is up to date, contact the city for the updated ordinance and effective date.
NavyMike
Regular Member
I did. That's why I know it's the current code and the revision goes before Committee in June.
BigDave
Opt-Out Members
For some reason I was thinking it was already dealt with.
fire suppressor
Regular Member
I'm not a big fan of open carry badges either but if that's what it takes for him to feel comfortable carrying then I still rather have him open carry with a badge than not at all
sudden valley gunner
Regular Member
I can 2nd the A-holeness of Kirkland PD (and their courts). I was assaulted with a vehicle and then sucker punched, when the cops were taking my report and found out who it was "old man-so and so" (apparently someone well known in Kirkland) those two officers left with that report two new officers came and I ended up hand cuffed and arrested and charged.
Another interesting thing about your report is I bet the areas that were to be annexed are doing just fine without the extra, "law enforcement".
amlevin
Regular Member
If traveling in Bear Country I hope your firearm is up to the task. There is a saying among Alaska residents "If you're going to carry a handgun for protection in bear country make sure you file the front sight down. That way it won't hurt as much when the bear shoves it up your @--".
Lot of Shotguns and S&W500's carried for that reason. Not 9mm's or 40S&W's.
sudden valley gunner
Regular Member
Nope those were designed for people and the occasional pitbull.
Monroe
New member
Appropriate use of a handgun in bear country
We always told the tourists with their fancy handguns to save the last bullet for themselves...
It is ironic that OC is actually more effective, but it is true...you make yourself an untasty snack, rather than enraging an animal that doesn't care much about a little bit of lead unless it happens to go into a very small portion of his anatomy.
Also, even if it was fully justified, killing a bear without license and out of hunting season is VERY inconvenient. Many of my friends skinned bears, packed out the meat and hide (no matter how far from civilization)...and get none of it...
Spray for dogs is much the same, perhaps. Spraying bullets around an open area with kids around, and with a very small target (the vital area of a dog)...and then you get to talk to the cops!
We always told the tourists with their fancy handguns to save the last bullet for themselves...
It is ironic that OC is actually more effective, but it is true...you make yourself an untasty snack, rather than enraging an animal that doesn't care much about a little bit of lead unless it happens to go into a very small portion of his anatomy.
Also, even if it was fully justified, killing a bear without license and out of hunting season is VERY inconvenient. Many of my friends skinned bears, packed out the meat and hide (no matter how far from civilization)...and get none of it...
Spray for dogs is much the same, perhaps. Spraying bullets around an open area with kids around, and with a very small target (the vital area of a dog)...and then you get to talk to the cops!
Trigger Dr
Regular Member
It would appear that you have never ben attacked by a pit bull (or 2). I have, and can tell you, shooting is justified. If my grand sons had been visiting that day, they would have probably ran away triggering a chase response for the 2 dogs.
Monroe
New member
Dogs ARE NOT as valuable as my (or any) kids!
I am sorry for the miscommunication. Fully justified...but it may not have been the best option.
I have thought about this a lot, because I go to parks with my kids, and for some reason every huge dog in the world seems to have an :cuss: owner that says, "He/she loves kids." as they snap the leash off and the dog bounds towards my kids.
Seriously, I am getting to point where I am about to buy pepper spray by the case and gas every dog that comes close to my kids.
(If the cops enforced the "Dogs must be on leash law" like they enforced the illegal no gun allowed laws, it would make me very happy.) :banghead:
I am sorry for the miscommunication. Fully justified...but it may not have been the best option.
I have thought about this a lot, because I go to parks with my kids, and for some reason every huge dog in the world seems to have an :cuss: owner that says, "He/she loves kids." as they snap the leash off and the dog bounds towards my kids.
Seriously, I am getting to point where I am about to buy pepper spray by the case and gas every dog that comes close to my kids.
(If the cops enforced the "Dogs must be on leash law" like they enforced the illegal no gun allowed laws, it would make me very happy.) :banghead:
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amlevin
Regular Member
And a well sprayed dog will also get to share the "experience" with their owner while riding home in the car with them. Especially if the dog slobbers a lot after getting sprayed (and they will) and shakes his head a lot to clear it off. They'll also rub every part of their head on the upholstery trying to wipe the spray off. In a way, it's a two-fer.
LibertyDeath
Regular Member
There was a King County Sheriff Deputy murdered by a guy high on crack. Deputy responded to a guy running around the naked and generally freaking out. He sprayed the crackhead with OC and it had no effect, crackhead charged him and wrestled his pistol away from him. Deputy went for cover and was shot in the leg. Crackhead walked up to Deputy and shot him 4 times in the head. Crackhead is currently serving a LWOP sentence in a cozy state prison.