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    Curious about the final outcome of the shootout in the Schuck's Store in Tacoma

    A few years ago there was an incident in the Schuck's Store in Tacoma, I believe at 72nd and Portland Avenue. Some "ghetto goon" was attempting to steal a motorbike from the showroom store and pulled a gun. He was shot by an armed customer.

    Never have been able to find anything on the final outcome. Apparently the perp lived but can't seem to find anything in News Reports on whether he went to trial, plead out, is serving time, etc. Also curious if anyone here has any information on the citizen who shot him as to whether he was detained, arrested, jailed?????

    Wondering how this all turned out so my question is "Does anyone here have any information other than a description of the initial event"?

    Wouldn't it be nice if the media would give the same coverage to the outcome that they do to the event itself?
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    http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/i.../t-158748.html

    I will post more as I find them.

    Not many more, just more forum posts.. Sounds like no charges were filed though. His name was Joe Phillips.
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    Thanx

    I couldn't even find the original article.
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    All I could find were forum posts also...the most interesting one I found was posted by Phillips' sister-in-law:

    "Karl Phillips is my husband.Here's some details for you, Horatio.Circling the drain, ha.This tough bugger took 9 yes,9 rounds to the body from a Army Colt 45,before he finally gave up and dropped his gun.There's no doubt that if Joe hadn't been there people would have died.No word back on the suspect yet."

    Nine rounds from a 45. Sounds like meth was involved to me.

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    That place isn't too far from my house, can't believe I don't remember it happening. Good to see normal people willing and able to protect themselves and others.

    Kind of a good reminder that it doesn't matter hat caliber you use, sometimes people just don't go down. I wonder if he wished he had more rounds before it was all over?

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    Quote Originally Posted by irish52084 View Post
    That place isn't too far from my house, can't believe I don't remember it happening. Good to see normal people willing and able to protect themselves and others.

    Kind of a good reminder that it doesn't matter hat caliber you use, sometimes people just don't go down. I wonder if he wished he had more rounds before it was all over?
    All the more reason to practice, practice, practice. I think it would be awesome if there were some laser guns with same wieght and recoil as our personal defense firearms so we could do some real life, stress scenarios, that would record misses also showing where our shots ended up. Someone needs to create a house, street scenario like that where people can practice.
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    Someone needs to create a house, street scenario like that where people can practice.
    Attend one of "Old Kims" shoot on the move exercises. Its real easy to tell when you miss , nothing goes ding.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by amzbrady View Post
    All the more reason to practice, practice, practice. I think it would be awesome if there were some laser guns with same wieght and recoil as our personal defense firearms so we could do some real life, stress scenarios, that would record misses also showing where our shots ended up. Someone needs to create a house, street scenario like that where people can practice.
    From my recollection of the TV coverage, the "perp" was hit numerous times with .45 slugs. A camera shot showed one spent round on the floor or driveway. It looked like a FMJ, not HP bullet from the visible jacket and exposed base.

    It wasn't a matter of lacking skills under fire but more a matter of the hits not stopping the subject.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amlevin View Post
    From my recollection of the TV coverage, the "perp" was hit numerous times with .45 slugs. A camera shot showed one spent round on the floor or driveway. It looked like a FMJ, not HP bullet from the visible jacket and exposed base.
    Your recollection appears to be correct. In fact, nine rounds from a .45, according to the good samaritan's sister-in-law (see above).

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    If you want some great realistic practice, attend a practical pistol shoot. You engage different targes from many different positions then scored based on accuracy and time. Plus they are a lot of fun. They hold monthly matches at TCSA for those of us in the Tri Cities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M1Gunr View Post
    Attend one of "Old Kims" shoot on the move exercises. Its real easy to tell when you miss , nothing goes ding.....
    Quote Originally Posted by Jayd1981 View Post
    If you want some great realistic practice, attend a practical pistol shoot. You engage different targes from many different positions then scored based on accuracy and time. Plus they are a lot of fun. They hold monthly matches at TCSA for those of us in the Tri Cities.

    NO, not target practice,

    I'm talking about a lazer tag type scenario, with maybe some electrodes to shock the crap out of you if you get hit. Something where you are being fired back at and that raises your stress level and makes you really think to survive. Lazer tag and paint ball is all good but they have bulky guns, and you dont go from a holstered draw, and theres no recoil comparison. The stress level is going to come from a surprise guy with a gun around a corner pointing back at you. Now that would make for some good training. Airsoft is the next viable option, which I have never had, so I dont know how that would make for a close quarter battle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayd1981 View Post
    If you want some great realistic practice, attend a practical pistol shoot. You engage different targes from many different positions then scored based on accuracy and time. Plus they are a lot of fun. They hold monthly matches at TCSA for those of us in the Tri Cities.
    OOPs, Internet explorer stopped responding so I didnt think my original posted.
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    If one is looking for a more realistic training I would offer that airsoft guns are the way to go.
    A little bit of safety equipment and many handguns are available of similar size.
    Then setup different scenarios with out the target being involved in planning and go for it, you will find movement, target engagement, use of cover, different light conditions or even shoot don't shoot scenarios.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amzbrady View Post
    OOPs, Internet explorer stopped responding so I didnt think my original posted.

    well, there's your problem right there. You are using an inferior browser. Do yourself a favor and download Mozilla. You will be glad you did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by END_THE_FED View Post
    well, there's your problem right there. You are using an inferior browser. Do yourself a favor and download Mozilla. You will be glad you did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDave View Post
    If one is looking for a more realistic training I would offer that airsoft guns are the way to go.
    A little bit of safety equipment and many handguns are available of similar size.
    Then setup different scenarios with out the target being involved in planning and go for it, you will find movement, target engagement, use of cover, different light conditions or even shoot don't shoot scenarios.
    Airsoft is tame. The real way to experience "interactive combat" training is the Simunition FX system. Think "Paintball" but with real guns and lifelike ammunition. The only difference is that the "bullet" is a wax like substance that gives the feeling of being hit without lasting damage, assuming that the appropriate protective gear is being worn. About as real as it gets without using "real lead".

    http://www.simunition.com/cartridges/fx_training_en.php


    Uses ones own "Service Weapon" (It's designed for Police/Military) with a different barrel and slide that prevents inadvertent chambering of real ammo. Provides near normal recoil so all aspects of the engagement are as close as possible to the real thing (except perhaps for soiled underwear).
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    Quote Originally Posted by kwiebe View Post
    All I could find were forum posts also...the most interesting one I found was posted by Phillips' sister-in-law:

    "Karl Phillips is my husband.Here's some details for you, Horatio.Circling the drain, ha.This tough bugger took 9 yes,9 rounds to the body from a Army Colt 45,before he finally gave up and dropped his gun.There's no doubt that if Joe hadn't been there people would have died.No word back on the suspect yet."

    Nine rounds from a 45. Sounds like meth was involved to me.

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    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1493692/posts
    Quote Originally Posted by amlevin View Post
    From my recollection of the TV coverage, the "perp" was hit numerous times with .45 slugs. A camera shot showed one spent round on the floor or driveway. It looked like a FMJ, not HP bullet from the visible jacket and exposed base.It wasn't a matter of lacking skills under fire but more a matter of the hits not stopping the subject.
    If the wife was correct then the .45 was really (because when she said old I assumed SAA).45LC in which case I would like to know where he bought FMJ rounds, as all I can find it lead. Now if it was a semi-auto... then based on the location of the shootout, It could be said that demographically maybe he couldnt afford HP's? Either way 9 rounds later the perp went down like the rest of em. Cheers to Schucks for being OC friendly, it paid for itselft that day.

    On a side note, do you think they gave whatever he was buying free of charge?
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    Quote Originally Posted by amlevin View Post
    Airsoft is tame. The real way to experience "interactive combat" training is the Simunition FX system. Think "Paintball" but with real guns and lifelike ammunition. The only difference is that the "bullet" is a wax like substance that gives the feeling of being hit without lasting damage, assuming that the appropriate protective gear is being worn. About as real as it gets without using "real lead".

    http://www.simunition.com/cartridges/fx_training_en.php


    Uses ones own "Service Weapon" (It's designed for Police/Military) with a different barrel and slide that prevents inadvertent chambering of real ammo. Provides near normal recoil so all aspects of the engagement are as close as possible to the real thing (except perhaps for soiled underwear).
    Looks pretty nice, wonder if it is basically cost prohibitive for most?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDave View Post
    Looks pretty nice, wonder if it is basically cost prohibitive for most?
    Isn't just about everything that's good, costly?

    I see this as something one would do in a "School" environment rather than on their own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amlevin View Post
    Isn't just about everything that's good, costly?

    I see this as something one would do in a "School" environment rather than on their own.
    Consider the restrictions upon having training similar to the FATS system, basically and advanced video game, they have only so many scenarios along with not being able to move any distance and to use cover.
    Not sure if this system has a video type interaction or man on man as with airsoft?
    One using the airsoft is cost effective and one could use it easily in many different environments at home or outside the home or others residence as well, though I would not recommend Walmart being one of them LOL

    As with anything, get the best you can with what you can afford.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDave View Post
    Consider the restrictions upon having training similar to the FATS system, basically and advanced video game, they have only so many scenarios along with not being able to move any distance and to use cover.
    Not sure if this system has a video type interaction or man on man as with airsoft?
    One using the airsoft is cost effective and one could use it easily in many different environments at home or outside the home or others residence as well, though I would not recommend Walmart being one of them LOL

    As with anything, get the best you can with what you can afford.
    One of the Simunition "systems" is specifically designed for "Force on Force" training and without any support equipment like video or the interactive systems. Two people, properly equipped with safety gear (don't forget the crotch protector) could go into the woods and train just like with airsoft. More range and more "sting" therefore more realistic. With the near natural recoil, follow-up shots would be more realistic as well.
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