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    Why I carry (sex offender moving in)

    I was just notified by Sussex police a registered sex offender is moving in nearby (next door actually). He had served time for having sex with underage girls he knew (family acquaintances). And people will probably still ask me why I carry...

    Edit: Actually, it wasn't that he had sex with them, but that he inappropriately touched all three of them and had one touch him. He was 18 and the ages of the two girls and one boy were between 12-15.
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    That's one very good reason. Counting them all would take quite a while.

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    Are you going to go over and introduce yourself while OC-ing? Serve notice, as it were.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger Johnson View Post
    Are you going to go over and introduce yourself while OC-ing? Serve notice, as it were.
    I will not. I just hope he doesn't come over into the neighborhood as he is not to have any unsupervised contact with minors (unless approved by the DOC).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger Johnson View Post
    Are you going to go over and introduce yourself while OC-ing? Serve notice, as it were.
    I thought you couldn't use that information to intimidate an offender... Again, I could be wrong...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mlutz View Post
    I thought you couldn't use that information to intimidate an offender... Again, I could be wrong...
    What if the sex offender pulls out his "gun" when going to introduce your self while OC ? I say Open carry party at Protias's house SOON. invite some bikers too....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger Johnson View Post
    Are you going to go over and introduce yourself while OC-ing? Serve notice, as it were.
    Actually we cannot do that as it is considered harassment. You have to remember these people are curred or rehabilitated and deserve the opportunity to do it one more time, or three, or four, until caught again. It is OK as they are not in my neighborhood!!!!!!!!!!! For Now!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mlutz View Post
    I thought you couldn't use that information to intimidate an offender... Again, I could be wrong...
    Well, since I am only "allowed" to OC...
    Quote Originally Posted by Glock34 View Post
    What if the sex offender pulls out his "gun" when going to introduce your self while OC ? I say Open carry party at Protias's house SOON. invite some bikers too....
    I've been thinking of having one at my house for some time (since Mr. Gregg's, and then last year's issue). Perhaps it will happen this year. We'll see.
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    In Arizona, children can also carry,in public, while accompanied by their parents. "I think" they can also carry on their property.
    I saw a little girl about 7 years old with a gun on her hip out there. I started laughin and her mother asked what was funny. " I said nothing say's stay away you POS pervert like a little girl with a gun"... I love it..!

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    Quote Originally Posted by theoicarry View Post
    Actually we cannot do that as it is considered harassment. You have to remember these people are curred or rehabilitated
    While I do detect a tone of sarcasm, the "these people are cured or rehabilitated" isn't even a starter from the LE side of it. Otherwise, they would not use the "scarlet letter" for them and track them forever. 'Sex Offender' is one label that is virtually permanent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wrightme View Post
    While I do detect a tone of sarcasm, the "these people are cured or rehabilitated" isn't even a starter from the LE side of it. Otherwise, they would not use the "scarlet letter" for them and track them forever. 'Sex Offender' is one label that is virtually permanent.
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    What I still don't get is that I have to stay 1000 feet away from a school zone, but we let pervs. move right next to the school...
    So the fear is that I MIGHT do a dumb thing with a gun, but we just give the pervs. the green light...? Who the hell came up with that?

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    A few years ago, Texas was amending some laws involving sex offenders. One of the news stations asked me what d oI think needs to be done.
    I said " Kill em"! Rapists, and child offenders need the death penality upon the first conviction.
    Everybody claimed I am mean and inhumane!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MR Redenck View Post
    A few years ago, Texas was amending some laws involving sex offenders. One of the news stations asked me what d oI think needs to be done.
    I said " Kill em"! Rapists, and child offenders need the death penality upon the first conviction.
    Everybody claimed I am mean and inhumane!
    If I was 18, and she was 17, should I still be "killed"? This kind of thing can and does put you on the same list.

    I don't have any issue at all with the death penality, but we need to watch how we use it. With this in mind, I would guess around 10% should not get the death penality. As for the rest, yea, chop 'em into bits! If you can't fix them, put them down.

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    "Sex offender" is also a tag that is used for a pretty wide brush stroke as well. The guy caught taking a leak in an alley after a drunken night at the bar can be charged as a sex offender. I personally know of two guys that were with girls all through middle and high school, that were a year older than their gf's. The girls ended up prego in high school and the boys nearly the same age as them ended up in prison and labeled sex offenders. One guy even still married the girl after the stuff her parents put him through. Although the term "sex offender" gives me the chills and gives me pause. I have learned to research the case before you go making broad judgement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger Johnson
    Are you going to go over and introduce yourself while OC-ing? Serve notice, as it were.
    Just working around the yard should be sufficient, and cannot possibly be misconstrued as intimidation or harassment, esp. if nothing is said or done to the... um... (I'm trying to think of something non-judgmental to say here) new neighbor.

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    I say Open carry party at Protias's house SOON.
    My very thought.
    Joseph, got a grill? We can arrange who will bring charcoal, food, plates, drinks, etc.

    Heck, have the OCers with food in the back yard starting at 11, and invite the neighborhood starting at 1 for the party, playing frisbee and such in the front yard. Might get a lot of new WCI members & people interested in taking safety training & starting to protect themselves & their families.

    And if the new neighbor happens to see one of the fliers talking about an "open carry party" and "learn about your right to protect your family" information being offered at the party, maybe he'll behave himself near home.

    (I'm assuming everyone else in the neighborhood was also notified of this new arrival, so there's no need to mention him anywhere in the party announcement. In fact, doing so could come under harassment & intimidation, and we wouldn't want that.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by kawisixer01
    "Sex offender" is also a tag that is used for a pretty wide brush stroke as well... I have learned to research the case before you go making broad judgement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by protias
    He had served time for having sex with underage girls he knew (family acquaintances).
    I think the label fits. More than one occurrence, convicted by a court, served time.


    I, too, know someone who served time because his girlfriend was too young (he was maybe 2-3 years older?), and her parents were fine with everything they did (including him sleeping over at their house, in her bedroom, with her) until she got pregnant.

    Then he was stupid enough to talk with the cops. They had nothing to convict him on until he admitted their relationship & actions. He's labelled for the rest of his life, too, though I would have absolutely no problem with him living in my home or having contact with any children. Make that any person, whatsoever.

    I think the statutory rape laws need to be changed somehow to take into account relationships that are close in age, and consensual. If it's an adult who coerces a child, even a teen, that's wrong. But if they're within maybe 18 months or 2 years of each other's age, it shouldn't be a crime.

    (I'm leaving the "you shouldn't be having sex at that age" and the "you shouldn't have sex until you're married" arguments completely out of the equation. Those are moral judgments, to be made & enforced by the parents. In the case of my friend, the parents were fine with everything until she got pregnant. Hypocrites.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronS View Post
    If I was 18, and she was 17, should I still be "killed"? This kind of thing can and does put you on the same list.

    I don't have any issue at all with the death penality, but we need to watch how we use it. With this in mind, I would guess around 10% should not get the death penality. As for the rest, yea, chop 'em into bits! If you can't fix them, put them down.
    I actually know someone who had that problem and im glad they beat it too.
    Do you not understand what a Child predator and a rapist is? Far from what a couple of consenting kids would be if only a year difference in age.

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    Actually, it wasn't that he had sex with them, but that he inappropriately touched all three of them and had one touch him. He was 18 and the ages of the two girls and one boy were between 12-15.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MR Redenck View Post
    A few years ago, Texas was amending some laws involving sex offenders. One of the news stations asked me what d oI think needs to be done.
    I said " Kill em"! Rapists, and child offenders need the death penality upon the first conviction.
    Everybody claimed I am mean and inhumane!
    i agree 100%
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    Quote Originally Posted by protias View Post
    Actually, it wasn't that he had sex with them, but that he inappropriately touched all three of them and had one touch him. He was 18 and the ages of the two girls and one boy were between 12-15.
    Well, if it were one of your kids he did that too, then I think the punishment should be as YOU see fit. If it makes you want to break all his fingers, fine with me. If it makes you want to poke his eye's out, fine with me. Far as im concerned, any sexual activity with a child deserves death.
    Let me catch some POS inappropriately touching a kid and I will beat the living --------------------!
    Crimes against children do not deserve a second chance.

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    Should this guy be killed too?

    http://www.pnj.com/article/20110421/...-year-old-girl

    This little ten year old monster just admitted she made it all up to change schools. My brothers neighbors life is destroyed. Anyone can be sent to jail in Amerika with no evidence just on a child's lie. It makes you think how many innocent people are in jail just for making a kid mad. It's made me rethink my opinion of the so called justice system. Guilty by public opinion and no chance of a fair trial. She will just get a slap on the wrist I'm sure. It's a messed up situation.
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