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    HARDBALLER got me in trouble today.

    Well, he really didn't, but here is the story.

    I had some business to take care of in Alma with the Sheriff Dept.

    So, I thought since I was in the area, I would give Hardballer a call to see if he wanted to meet for cappuccino.

    He told me of a coffee shop that we could meet up at. I got there before him, so I waited at a small table outside the coffee shop.

    I got up and went inside to a little bit and came back outside.

    There was a barge coming up the river, so I went around the corner to watch it for a bit.

    Then, a man came up to me and asked if I was a cop.

    I said, "no".

    Then why do YOU have a GUN, he asked.

    "For self-defense" I answered.

    "FROM WHO"? he asked,

    Very calmly I answered, "From anyone.",

    He then stormed off cussing and throwing insults.

    I was partly amused but slightly taken back because I have never been approached like that.
    Hardballer showed up, the guy was about 10 feet from his truck.

    When he got out of the truck, the man was talking very loud to another person and pointing at me saying that I had a gun.

    He saw the 1911 on hardballer and he got even more bent out shape.

    Harballer and I went into the coffee shop. We sat in there and talked for awhile.

    The man stayed across the street like he was staking us out and telling anyone he could that men with guns were in the coffee shop.

    After awhile, we went for a walk and checked out a couple of museums and art galleries for tourists.

    We crossed the street and turned back and walked to the south end of Alma then turned around headed back towards the coffee shop.

    The man was still on the sidewalk, talking loudly with another woman professionally dressed and pointing at us.

    We were getting closer and instead of walking past/around the man, Hardballer decides to go inside a bank to ask about opening a checking account for his non-profit animal rescue where individuals could make donations.

    The man yelled, "YOU CANNOT GO IN A BANK WITH GUNS".

    I said, "I don't see a sign that says that I cannot".

    The man STORMS into the bank in front of me but after Hardballer, yelling that they will put up a sign. .

    Hardballer walks right up to an open teller and begins inquiring about opening an account The lady that the man had been talking to, goes into an office and gets on the phone.

    The man is at the other end causing a disturbance, yelling thing like"I FEEL VERY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THESE @#$% BRINGING GUNS IN HERE. I DON'T FEEL SAFE."

    The man said alot more than that and as a bit vulgar.

    The president came up a stood next to the teller and asked Hardballer and the teller what was going on here.

    Hardballer explained while the man was still going off.

    When Hardballer was done explaining, the president seemed to evaluate the situation and asked us politely to leave while the man was upset.

    We complied and very graciously left the bank.

    The man followed us out, cussing us out saying that he was a homicide investigator for 20 years and he was going to follow us everywhere we went.

    We walked for a little bit and I got my phone out ready to call 911.

    I turned to the guy and very calmly asked him if he was a socialist or a communist.

    The man, not so politely, said he wasn’t.

    I asked him if he was a patriot.

    The man said he served Viet Nam and flamed us for walking around like soldiers.

    Anyway, he stormed off cussing.

    He didn’t give me the chance to thank him for his service.

    Hardballer and I sat down on a park bench an talked for a bit. Then law enforcement showed up.

    TO BE CONTINUED…………
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    Sounds like a wonderful tale.

    Break it up a little bit perhaps.. Difficult to read a bit.

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    Wtf?!?

    Stormin around and stalkin you 2 boot? WTF!? Hell if any1 was cuasing trouble it was his stupid @$$. Harpin and moaning like some kind of lil t!t baby. This is America my freind, dont like firearms, move to Eourope. till then stop the baby whinening. Looks like its time for an OC event in Hardballers kneck of da woods,same coffe shope and area Im in and coud bring few peple with aswel.

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    So only soldiers and cops can carry? What an elitist moron.
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    New soap opera, "As the cylinder turns"... I hope everything works out ok for you guys. And really can't wait to find out what Leo does... When do we get to find out?

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    Wow! It appears you guys handled this well.
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    What a donkey. (Only because the correct word would probably be censored.)

    If he really felt threatened, he wouldn't have approached either of you, let alone made a scene, let alone followed you around making a scene!

    If I were the bank manager, I'd've asked the upset man to leave because he was bothering my customers & staff, & maybe called police to report his disorderly conduct.
    "Yes, sir, I can see you're upset. How about you wait right here in this office, & I'll call police to deal with the situation?"
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    I probably woulda called the 'locals' sooner rather than later and had HIM questioned as to his actions...

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    Exactly what I was thinking MKEGal. The man was obviously out to cause trouble. He should have been sited for disorderly.

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    ...OH, and stay away from Hardballer..hes nothing but trouble...gotta learn to pick your friends better... :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by TangoDown View Post
    Stormin around and stalkin you 2 boot? WTF!? Hell if any1 was cuasing trouble it was his stupid @$$. Harpin and moaning like some kind of lil t!t baby. This is America my freind, dont like firearms, move to Eourope. till then stop the baby whinening. Looks like its time for an OC event in Hardballers kneck of da woods,same coffe shope and area Im in and coud bring few peple with aswel.

    -Tango
    I would love to set up a fun get-together any time. It would be great to mill about down town as there are several places to check out, antiques stores, museums, art gallery's, awesome leather shoppe, custom jewelery store (Pearls) and a lot more. Great places to eat, a view of the river that can't be beat.

    The Eagles over Alma (eagle watch + Museum), The Coffee Shoppe (Mmmmmm-Mmmmm good espresso, coffee and pastry.) Old fashioned bakery etc, etc. and of course the bank...Heheheh... I am the only one in Buffalo County who carries as far as I know... Would be nice to have some OC friends in town or generally roaming the streets.

    Heck, ya might even get to meet this Open Carry Stalker who will follow you around town screaming and yelling at the top of his voice and if you are really lucky you will see veins bursting in his forehead. He may even wave his arms about his head as he did for BROKENSPROKET and myself.

    This is an event not to be missed and of course you will probably end up meeting the entire Sheriff's dept. and as a special bonus, the Chief of Police. And starring in a special one time event you will be able to observe and meet actual citizens running about, in a panic, into the Kwik Trip yelling, "there are a bunch of guys with guns at the bank, OMG!!!".

    So put this get-together on your calendar now! (seriously, let's figure one out.) Personally, isolated as BROKENSPROCKET and I are in our respective counties, I would appreciate each and every one of you who would attend a gathering as would my disabled wife and she would love to meet all of you. There are two parks near the city that have a stunning view and you can even take a boat ride (at a small cost) across the river in front of the dam. (darn good Walleye fishing)

    As for the rest of the story, I'll leave that to BROKENSPROCKET as he has a wonderful knack for telling true life tales...
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    So when?
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    You guys rock...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MKEgal View Post
    What a donkey. (Only because the correct word would probably be censored.)

    If he really felt threatened, he wouldn't have approached either of you, let alone made a scene, let alone followed you around making a scene!

    If I were the bank manager, I'd've asked the upset man to leave because he was bothering my customers & staff, & maybe called police to report his disorderly conduct.
    "Yes, sir, I can see you're upset. How about you wait right here in this office, & I'll call police to deal with the situation?"
    I had been in the bank, several times before with my gun with no problem.

    Since I read your comments, I have reconsidered what happened at the bank and you are spot on! They should have asked the crazy to leave. This is an eye opener because it points out what happens in peoples minds. The guy was a whack job trouble maker and we were calm citizens going about or business. Yet the bank catered to the whackjob looking at our guns as the problem and not the looney-tune as the problem.

    The bank president remarked to me that he would like us to leave and come back without our guns. Even though he could see we were not the threat. He later told me, he had no problem with our guns. But in my view, he looked at the guns as the problem and not this idiot... In fact, my wife pointed out, I even apologized for the incident (dam Wisconsin Nice), taking responsibility for some crazy person's insane behavior. ARRRRGGGG!

    I don't really know how to handle this part. The more I think on it, the more it bothers me. Once you stand back from the incident and ponder for a while, the reality of what happened comes out. One thing I do realize now and my wife told me this, "Never apologize... except to her... "

    Thanks for the insight MKEgal...
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    The suspense is killing me. Please, PLEASE tell me it ends with the lunatic getting cited?

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    I wonder if this guy could be brought up on disorderly, stalking, and assault (Outside, he got within a half a foot of my face and spit was flying.) Just sayin'... As an aside, Buffalo County has a liberal Sheriff and Judge. Hmmmmm...
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    You get the date and time set (Preferably on a saturday) and I will show up with Bullets on. I will even wear my Vets 4 Vets shirt and my OIF/OEF Veteran hat. That way when we run into this loon we can have a new kind of conversation. lol

    I am ok with putting ***** Vets in their place. I have done that a time or two, and I usually end up being friends with them as a result/ But soething tells e that I would not have that chance with this pecker head. I even have a couple other real deal combat vets that I am betting would attend with bullets on.

    You know how to find me when you get this together. lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by CalicoJack10 View Post
    You get the date and time set (Preferably on a saturday) and I will show up with Bullets on. I will even wear my Vets 4 Vets shirt and my OIF/OEF Veteran hat. That way when we run into this loon we can have a new kind of conversation. lol

    I am ok with putting ***** Vets in their place. I have done that a time or two, and I usually end up being friends with them as a result/ But soething tells e that I would not have that chance with this pecker head. I even have a couple other real deal combat vets that I am betting would attend with bullets on.

    You know how to find me when you get this together. lol
    You got a deal Jack! I'll check out the BBQ at the legion... this could be a great kickoff event for the season...

    I'll check into the particulars and keep posting here. Once it is set, I will give it a thread of it's own. BROKENSPROCKET may be able to help too. I'll ask him. That is, if he dares to come back into Alma...

    I'm kinda thinkin' about the third weekend in June, Saturday, Just before the Fourth of July! That would be the 25th so there is plenty of time prior to the Fourth. I also will have to check to be sure there aren't any conflicting OC events.


    It is St. Jean-Baptiste Day in Quebec on the 24th but I don't think that'll get in the way.
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    I am working on transcribing from my audio recorder.

    You guys have the right idea. Before I read all your posts, I was telling me dad that I HAVE to do an Open Carrry Picnic in Alma. That community needs some education. We can take donations for Animal Rescue. How about that?

    Hardballer, if you want to finish the story, please do. I am really busy until Sunday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardballer View Post
    I wonder if this guy could be brought up on disorderly, stalking, and assault (Outside, he got within a half a foot of my face and spit was flying.) Just sayin'... As an aside, Buffalo County has a liberal Sheriff and Judge. Hmmmmm...
    Did I read it correctly, that this obviously deranged person followed you two into a business with the purpose of causing a scene, and you were asked to leave?


    And, if he felt so uncomfortable in the bank with you in there, why did he follow you in, into the place where he 'felt uncomfortable?'
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    Quote Originally Posted by BROKENSPROKET View Post
    I am working on transcribing from my audio recorder.

    You guys have the right idea. Before I read all your posts, I was telling me dad that I HAVE to do an Open Carrry Picnic in Alma. That community needs some education. We can take donations for Animal Rescue. How about that?

    Hardballer, if you want to finish the story, please do. I am really busy until Sunday.
    Yup. Will do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wrightme View Post
    Did I read it correctly, that this obviously deranged person followed you two into a business with the purpose of causing a scene, and you were asked to leave?


    And, if he felt so uncomfortable in the bank with you in there, why did he follow you in, into the place where he 'felt uncomfortable?'
    Yep, that is correct. I didn't actually get that till MKEgal's post. Not setting well with that...
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    I got the audio all trimmed down. Now I just have to learn how to make a Youtube video.

    (FACEPALM) I had my phone in my hand. I should have taken a picture of the loon.

    I am going to submit an ORR and get this guys name.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BROKENSPROKET View Post
    I got the audio all trimmed down. Now I just have to learn how to make a Youtube video.

    (FACEPALM) I had my phone in my hand. I should have taken a picture of the loon.

    I am going to submit an ORR and get this guys name.
    Sounds like a plan...



    Here's the rest of the story...

    So we sat on the park bench to calm down and enjoy the day a bit. Beautiful sunny day and a view of the river. As we were chatting about recent events, I noticed that a Sheriff's Inspector in an unmarked Chevy Blazer pulled up and ran into the bank. Shortly there after, he ran out to his Blazer and made a U-turn in the road and parked in front of the two of us, still sitting on the park bench. There goes our view.

    I recognized the fellow and he smiled, got out and said hello. He said he had been at the Kwik Trip (about a mile away) hadn't received a call but several people had run in making a fuss “OMG two guys with guns at the bank”!

    Thought he should look into that. He asked what happened, we related the events. Shortly after he arrived, A marked Sheriff's Patrol joined the party. I knew this deputy as well. I had worked with her on an animal rescue case involving abuse (we got the guy). I waved and said hello Terry, she returned the wave then began to discuss the goings on with the investigator.

    At this point, the City Police Chief pulled up in a very cool looking Dodge charger. All blacked out with one of those narrow light bars on top. I had spoken at length with this fella some time ago. The gangs all here. Now the entire police force is parked in front of our view.

    The three of them now are intently discussing what happened, Brokensprocket and I still on the park bench soaking in the sunshine. When a private citizen arrives on the scene and stands up for us. She remarks that these guys did nothing wrong. They were just minding there own business. Etc. etc.

    The Police Chief then goes into the bank and checks out the 'story', comes out and announces the bank has no problem with us. “No problem at all”. At this time the story comes to an end because there was no problem. Not with us or with the bank. Just one Batcrap crazzzzzy Bleep-bleep... who conveniently disappeared...

    Nope, no one was cited. Especially not the Batcrap crazzzzzy Bleep-bleep who Stalked us, threatened to follow us around town and make a scene in every store or gallery that we entered, and made a scene, arguably disturbing the piece in the bank and on the street as well as spitting on me while he was yelling at me from six inches in front of my face. I'm still not done with this. Got to chew on it for a bit.

    It occurs to me as it has to others, if he was so threatened, why was he accosting two armed citizens, yelling obscenities and waving his arms about like a crazy fool. It doesn't make sense. Nor does it make sense that we were the focus of this hysterical event when we were the calm, cool and collected citizens going about our law abiding business. We were asked to leave a bank to calm a crazy person down instead of them calling the police for the crazy person. Then we were questioned by Police over the incident and it was non-consensual.

    Welcome to Buffalo County. City of Alma. Wisconsin. Fountain City is much, much worse. Same county. Maybe it's something the water. So if you come here bring your own bottled water.

    Hardballer out!
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    Quote Originally Posted by GlockRDH View Post
    ...OH, and stay away from Hardballer..hes nothing but trouble...gotta learn to pick your friends better... :-)
    I've been told that before GlockRDH... Must be true...
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