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    Angry Tulalip Walmart NOT OC friendly



    Was in the store today for for about an hour. This is probably the 3rd or 4th time I've been in there at this point.

    Upon leaving the store in the area between the exterior and interior doors, the assistant manager approached me and states that It's against Wal-Mart policy to open carry firearms. And she's gotten a few calls from people that were concerned. So she wanted me to cover it up next time I come to the store.

    A few things here:
    1. They let me complete my shopping
    2. They didn't approach me inside the store except when I was leaving
    3. If it's Wal-Mart policy not to allow open carry of firearms, why is it not posted on the front of the doors as you enter? (I looked)


    Overall she was friendly, and I know for a fact that the Asst Manager has a cpl and conceal carries (not sure if it's at the store or not), because my wife had worked there at one time.

    I stated that it wasn't posted, but I would be more than happy to leave the store.

    At this point I'm conflicted on whether I should shop at that specific store, or if this is going to be a Wal-Mart wide fight. Fortunately they just built a new one in Smokey Point, and there is one down on 99 and 128th. Although the southern one I don't think will be much better.


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    Shoulda told them, I'll think about covering up as soon as you allow me to go back inside and return all the items.


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    It's Walmart's policy to follow the laws of the state that that particular store is in. You could follow up on this with corporate...or since the Asst Mgr has a permit have them do it...

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    Yes, corporate policy is to follow state laws of the state the store operates in. I believe m1gunnr has a letter from walmart stating this.

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    Folks you keep forgetting......
    While corporate policy is to allow lawful carry per state law.... managers still have control.

    HOWEVER this is why you also need to know and can ARTICULATE to the managers your knowledge of corporate policy.

    Thus is why I carry phone numbers of corporate District & Regional managers as well as have a MP3 of a phone call from corporate about Walmarts policy on guns that I will play to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M1Gunr View Post
    Folks you keep forgetting......
    While corporate policy is to allow lawful carry per state law.... managers still have control.

    HOWEVER this is why you also need to know and can ARTICULATE to the managers your knowledge of corporate policy.

    Thus is why I carry phone numbers of corporate District & Regional managers as well as have a MP3 of a phone call from corporate about Walmarts policy on guns that I will play to them.
    Same here....
    Here are the links of policies and the Walmart contacts as well as the mp3

    http://forum.nwcdl.org/index.php?action=downloads;cat=5
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    Yup lots of us have carried in various WalMarts with no touble, I've bought ammo OC plenty of times at the Oak Harbor one.

    Do keep in mind, however, that the Tulalip one is on the Reservation. That's sovereign territory, and tribal police could ask you to leave (the res that is). I think it's been posted that tribal law is kind of anti-OC, maybe that's where the manager lady is getting it from, but tribal law only applies to tribal members. I've also heard that tribal police are generally firearm friendly.

    Myself, last time I was at Tulalip I covered up most of the time just to avoid any issues.
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    This happened to me at Bellingham Wal-mart. Terry the real manager was not happy with his underlings he said to call him any time I have any issues at any Wal mart. Unfortunately he's not the manager here any more.
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    Be careful!

    This particular Wal-Mart is on an Indian Reservation...it is reservation law, as well as state law that you/they will have to follow.

    Before you beef too much, find out what Tulalip trible law is, you already know state law, you already know Wal-Mart official policy...now find out what Tulalip tribal law is, and you will be ready to have an informed discussion...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hermannr View Post
    Be careful!

    This particular Wal-Mart is on an Indian Reservation...it is reservation law, as well as state law that you/they will have to follow.

    Before you beef too much, find out what Tulalip trible law is, you already know state law, you already know Wal-Mart official policy...now find out what Tulalip tribal law is, and you will be ready to have an informed discussion...
    Can tribal law turmp state preemption? It covers "Municipalities", so wouldn't they be covered?
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    Quote Originally Posted by xxx.jakk.xxx View Post
    Can tribal law turmp state preemption? It covers "Municipalities", so wouldn't they be covered?
    No, Reservations are a sovereign nation. They have their own laws. However, tribal law only applies to tribal members.

    If you are a non-tribal member you will be asked to leave the reservation if you do not follow their laws.

    (above is a quick synopsis, in the event of a felony i.e. murder the tribal police would hold you for the state/county police)
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    Quote Originally Posted by hermannr View Post
    Before you beef too much, find out what Tulalip trible law is...
    Nothing is mentioned about Open Carry. The code only refers to concealed carry and then requires both tribal & state permission(CPL). I will start writing some letters to the Tribal Judge to get clarification as well as getting them to change some other issues I saw.


    http://www.narf.org/nill/Codes/tulal...tulaliptoc.htm

    3.12.1. Carrying concealed weapon.
    1. A person commits the offense of carrying a concealed weapon by knowingly carrying or bearing a dirk, dagger, pistol, revolver, slingshot, sword cane, billy club, knuckles made of any metal or other hard substance, knife having a blade at least 4 inches long, non-safety type razor, or any other deadly weapon which is wholly or partially covered by the clothing or wearing apparel of the person carrying the weapon, or is carried any place within the occupant compartment of a motor vehicle.
    2. Subsection (1) does not apply to:
    a. any law enforcement officer;
    b. a person authorized by a judge of the Tribal Court to carry a concealed weapon;
    c. a person permitted under state and tribal law to carry a concealed weapon; or
    d. the carrying of arms on one's own premises or at one's home or place of business.
    3. Carrying a concealed weapon is a Class C offense.



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    Quote Originally Posted by M1Gunr View Post
    Nothing is mentioned about Open Carry. The code only refers to concealed carry and then requires both tribal & state permission(CPL). I will start writing some letters to the Tribal Judge to get clarification as well as getting them to change some other issues I saw.


    http://www.narf.org/nill/Codes/tulal...tulaliptoc.htm

    3.12.1. Carrying concealed weapon.
    1. A person commits the offense of carrying a concealed weapon by knowingly carrying or bearing a dirk, dagger, pistol, revolver, slingshot, sword cane, billy club, knuckles made of any metal or other hard substance, knife having a blade at least 4 inches long, non-safety type razor, or any other deadly weapon which is wholly or partially covered by the clothing or wearing apparel of the person carrying the weapon, or is carried any place within the occupant compartment of a motor vehicle.
    2. Subsection (1) does not apply to:
    a. any law enforcement officer;
    b. a person authorized by a judge of the Tribal Court to carry a concealed weapon;
    c. a person permitted under state and tribal law to carry a concealed weapon; or
    d. the carrying of arms on one's own premises or at one's home or place of business.
    3. Carrying a concealed weapon is a Class C offense.



    Wait what? Does that say my girl can't wear my jacket while I am carrying because then she's considered to be concealing?
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    sorry to hear about the problems but small word today I drove over from Kitsap county and spent today in Tulapip. I drove by the Walmart but didn't go in sorry I missed you
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    Thanks for the support guys. I'm going to go into walmart today and stir some stuff up with them (I'll leave the Glock in the car for this one).

    It's so irritating.

    Everyday you run into this "concerned citizen" bs, and you know what, being concerned about something that is a right of ours isn't cause for punishing me.

    Anyway, preaching to the choir

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    Quote Originally Posted by M1Gunr View Post
    c. a person permitted under state and tribal law to carry a concealed weapon;
    Since the Tribe has no "Permitting Process" spelled out in their code the reference to one being permitted under tribal law more likely refers to those that are not barred from carrying rather than an actual permit.

    If Tribal Law only covers Tribal Members then they can't force one to obtain a Tribal Permit (Which doesn't seem to exist in their code) if they are not a tribe member in order to carry a firearm. A State CPL is recognized under their code and they make no reference to Open Carry.

    As for Wal-Mart on the "res", don't go there. Go to the Smokey Point one that is now open. Their employees are smarter by at least a few IQ points and there is no question of Tribal Law vs. State Law.
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    I called the Tulalip police and they are clueless.

    Here's approximately how the conversation went

    What is the law on open carry on the reservation?

    "What do you mean?"

    You know, carrying a pistol on your hip where it's visible

    "Do you have a concealed carry license?"

    Yes, I have a CPL

    "What's a CPL?"

    ... I explain that it's a concealed pistol license

    "You can't take it into the casino"

    I know... I'm talking more like Wal-Mart or Home Depot

    "I wouldn't carry a pistol anywhere out here"

    That was the end of the convo.

    I made the call from the walmart parking lot. At this point I was really done dealing with the idiots at this walmart and the reservation. I'll drive the few extra miles to go to smokey point. Which I did, and had no issues walking around in there. I even walked over to sporting goods and was looking at ammo while they associate was restocking it. He saw that I was carrying and didn't even flinch.

    +1 smokey point walmart. Boycott the rez!

    And you're right, it's really not worth dealing with the reservation and the laws/gray area around it. So if I must go there, I guess I'll exercise my CPL.

    Again, you guys are awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaseyMac View Post
    I called the Tulalip police and they are clueless.
    You must have spoken to the Weekend/Holiday staff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaseyMac View Post


    Was in the store today for for about an hour. This is probably the 3rd or 4th time I've been in there at this point.

    Upon leaving the store in the area between the exterior and interior doors, the assistant manager approached me and states that It's against Wal-Mart policy to open carry firearms. And she's gotten a few calls from people that were concerned. So she wanted me to cover it up next time I come to the store.

    A few things here:
    1. They let me complete my shopping
    2. They didn't approach me inside the store except when I was leaving
    3. If it's Wal-Mart policy not to allow open carry of firearms, why is it not posted on the front of the doors as you enter? (I looked)


    Overall she was friendly, and I know for a fact that the Asst Manager has a cpl and conceal carries (not sure if it's at the store or not), because my wife had worked there at one time.

    I stated that it wasn't posted, but I would be more than happy to leave the store.

    At this point I'm conflicted on whether I should shop at that specific store, or if this is going to be a Wal-Mart wide fight. Fortunately they just built a new one in Smokey Point, and there is one down on 99 and 128th. Although the southern one I don't think will be much better.

    Walmart policy is to follow state law. I would have asked her to see it in writing. Even though I have a CPL (for the car) if some one asks me to "cover up" I would ask them if they want me to break the law. I would tell them I don't have a CPL and let them know that if I cover up would be breaking the law and see what they say then. I have no problem in the Lacey store.
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    You will never get to see a private companies policies in writing. It is non of your business and they may change them at their choosing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gogodawgs View Post
    You will never get to see a private companies policies in writing. It is non of your business and they may change them at their choosing.
    But would it really be private if it was a policy that affected their customers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaseyMac View Post
    I called the Tulalip police and they are clueless.
    1). Stop dealing with the Tribal police
    2). I have a letter drawn up for the Tribal Judge (who is the over-all authority) to send out first thing Tuesday morning.

    Let's see how this letter goes with the Tribal Judge before you go stirring the pot. Right now they have a bunch of convoluted codes thrown together and I have addressed them in my letter.

    according to Ordinance 49, 6.12.1, one is required to have permission from the Tribal Judge to carry a concealed weapon on tribal land.
    Tribal code 6.12.5 allows me to carry the firearm in my vehicle with state permission.
    Tribal code 6.12.4 says that I am not allowed to carry in certain buildings, yet many of the establishments listed are legal for me to carry in Washington State when I am off tribal lands like state & local government buildings, banks, credit unions, commercial establishments(restaurants) where alcohol is sold and consumed As I read through Part 12, I noticed it also only pertained to concealed carry.
    My letter is also alerting them to the legality of Open Carry in WA.


    I'll post my letter here soon.

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    OK, let me know your thoughts, complaints..... and please don't quote the whole letter, just highlight the part that concerns you and lets discuss that part.




    Honorable Judge Theresa M. Pouley
    6103 31st Ave NE
    Tulalip, WA 98271




    Judge Pouley:
    I am writing about firearms carry while visiting the Tulalip Reservation. Although I have a concealed pistol license issued by Washington State (as well as 4 other states) I am, according to Ordinance 49, 6.12.1, required to have permission from the Tribal Judge to carry a concealed weapon on tribal land yet Tribal code 6.12.5 allows me to carry the firearm in my vehicle with state permission. Tribal code 6.12.4 states that I am not allowed to carry in certain buildings, yet many of the establishments listed are legal for me to carry in Washington State when I am off tribal lands like state & local government buildings, banks, credit unions, commercial establishments(restaurants) where alcohol is sold and consumed (See RCW 9.41.300). As I read through Part 12, I noticed it also only pertained to concealed carry. As you may know Washington State is an Open Carry state for firearms and no concealed licensed or permission to carry is required by the state.

    Judge Pouley, imagine if a few thousand of the some 340,000 concealed pistol license holders wrote and asked for permission to carry, it would over whelm your office. What I am asking is that the Tulalip Tribe adopt the firearm laws of Washington State and allow law abiding tribal and non-tribal members the ability to carry on Tulalip Tribal land. I ask this because there are many businesses currently located on Tulalip lands whose current corporate policy is to allow lawful carry but because of the permission requirement no carry is allowed. I understand that the Tulalip Reservation is a Sovereign Nation however other Sovereign Nations’ across Washington allow lawful carry on tribal land for non-tribal members as long as they carry according to the established State laws.

    Your Honor, I carry a gun with me every day, everywhere I go. I don’t shoot people, or have any intention of shooting people. Most people wouldn’t guess that I have a gun. I don’t carry it because I’m going somewhere dangerous and I’ll need it, I carry it because I am responsible for my own safety. I want to do it without fear of the criminal element, and I don’t want to have to wait hours for law enforcement if I find myself in danger. I do it because I want to be able to enjoy myself without putting myself in a helpless position. I’ll take responsibility for my own safety and that of those who are with me.


    Thank you for taking the time to read this and if you need more information please contact me; I look forward to your letter of reply.
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    Folks you keep forgetting......
    It's not forgetfulness. It's denial.

    But would it really be private if it was a policy that affected their customers?
    Uh, yeah, it would be private. The relationship between the company and the customer is a private one. Furthermore, they can change their policies at any time, for any reason, by any means, with no notice required.

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