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    WI Assembly - Executive session - AB 126 - 2 June

    This executive session is scheduled THIS THURSDAY at 10am. We need to have made a SUBSTANTIAL impact by that time. Please act quickly. Pass this information on to everyone you can. We have made progress in the Senate. Now we need to let the Assembly hear us loud and clear.

    Time to Act Fast: Permit Bill AB 126 Likely to Pass WI Assembly Committee Thursday, but Still No Constitutional Carry Bill

    An executive session of the Assembly Committee on Criminal Justice and Corrections is scheduled for THIS THURSDAY, June 2nd. The business they'll be discussing? Advancement of AB 126 to the floor, the concealed carry bill that mandates permits.

    Let's review, shall we... Speaker Jeff Fitzgerald still refuses to allow a constitutional carry bill even to be introduced...in caucus, in committee, on the floor. In fact, he was on Charlie Sykes radio program just a few short days ago stating that the Assembly was going to go for gun permitting and mandated education. Well, gee, do you think they might go for something else if you let something else be INTRODUCED, Speaker Fitzgerald? It's really easy to choose permits when that's all your handed.

    This morning, I looked through the list of 30 Assembly co-sponsors of AB 126. That list is below for your convenience.
    Jeff Mursau (R-36) AUTHOR
    Mary Williams (R-87)
    Garry Bies (R-1)
    Joel Kleefisch (R-38)
    Joan Ballweg (R-41)
    Kathy Bernier (R-68)
    Ed Brooks (R-50)
    Mike Endsley (R-26)
    Mark Honadel (R-21)
    Andre Jacque (R-2)
    Samantha Kerkman (R-66)
    Steve Kestell (R-27)
    Joe Knilans (R-44)
    Dean Knudson (R-30)
    Tom Larson (R-67)
    Daniel LeMahieu (R-59)
    John Murtha (R-29)
    Stephen Nass (R-31)
    Lee Nerison (R-96)
    John Nygren (R-89)
    Alvin Ott (R-3)
    Kevin Petersen (R-40)
    Warren Petryk (R-93)
    Roger Rivard (R-75)
    Erik Severson (R-28)
    Richard Spanbauer (R-53)
    Jim Steineke (R-5)
    Pat Strachota (R-58)
    Gary Tauchen (R-6)
    Karl Van Roy (R-90)

    Now, some of those representatives are signed on because they're hedging their bets. They actually support constitutional carry, but they don't know if they're going to see the right bill. They'd rather have something than nothing. But many of the people on that list are in the "only with permits and/or state-mandated education" camp. Because we don't always know who's who, we need to politely reach out to everyone on that list to respectfully EDUCATE and PERSUADE them. How? We need people in each of these districts to head the charge by getting others in your district to flood these legislators' phones and inboxes with respectful but firm messages. In order to ensure that all Assembly leadership is getting the full impact of the number of messages coming into the Capitol on this isssue, please also copy the following individuals on your correspondence:

    Speaker Jeff Fitzgerald Speaker Pro Tempore
    Bill Kramer Assembly Leader
    Scott Suder Assembly Assistant Leader
    Dan Knodl Caucus Chairperson
    Joan Ballweg Caucus Vice Chairperson
    John Murtha Caucus Secretary
    Mary Williams

    Jeff Mursau, author, AB 126 Concealed Carry with Mandated Permitting
    Garry Bies, Chair, Assembly Committee on Criminal Justice and Corrections
    Andre Jacques, Vice-Chair, Assembly Committee on Criminal Justice and Corrections
    Steve Kestell, Committee on Criminal Justice and Corrections
    Ed Brooks, Committee on Criminal Justice and Corrections
    Scott Krug, Committee on Criminal Justice and Correction
    Jeremy Thiesfeldt, Committee on Criminal Justice and Correction

    A useful list of information to use as you're communicating with your representative follows. You don't have to use all of these points. Mix and match as you deem appropriate. Use your own voice. Individualized, personalized messages are always more effective. Constitutional Carry is the right of law-abiding citizens to carry open or concealed without government mandates of any kind, whether permits, registration, or training--uninfringed, as the plain language of the United States Constitution describes. As of 1998, the Wisconsin State Constitution, Article I, Section 25, similarly reads: "The people have the right to keep and bear arms for security, defense, hunting, recreation or any other lawful purpose. "A constitutional carry bill must be introduced in the Assembly. AB 126 should be a FALLBACK option, NOT the bill the Assembly works first to advance. By NOT allowing the introduction of a constitutional carry bill, Assembly leadership is, in fact, disenfranchising the majority of conservatives, who overwhelmingly support the plain language of the constitution. Constitutional carry is uncompromisingly and fully supported in the platform of the Republican Party of Wisconsin. If you're a party member, hold your representative accountable to that platform, and tell them that you are doing so.Projected cost of a mandated permitting system: over $2 million in the first year alone, over $1 million every year thereafter, including payroll for 13 full-time staff. Money we don't have at a time when we're trying to CUT spending. Constitutional carry would allow legislators to be fiscally consistent with their support of Governor Walker's Budget Repair Bill.Constitutional carry makes NO fiscal demand on taxpayers, nor on sheriffs and local law enforcement. However, an optional permitting process, as provided for in SB 93, could be established at LOW cost for those who want to exercise their right to carry in other states. Again, it's far more fiscally responsible.Mandated permitting will disenfranchise thousands who want and need to protect themselves.. It's already expensive to buy a gun. That cost isn't going to decrease. Add the cost of a permit and perhaps mandated education---the cost of which we also know will increase over time---and you've priced the RIGHT to protect oneself and one's property out of possibility for THOUSANDS of Wisconsinites. Democrats regularly re-victimize the poor and women via their policies. Should Republicans be doing the same thing...? Taxing people for concealing a weapon amounts to taxing people for wearing a shirt, sweater, jacket or purse. Republicans are supposed to be the sane party when it comes to taxation. Combined, 8.5 million people in Vermont, Alaska, Arizona, and Wyoming can carry without any permit or government mandates, as the constitution guarantees There have been no problems with this policy. In fact, Vermont has never restricted the 2nd Amendment rights of its citizens, has never had reason to change its stance, and is a notoriously liberal state.Including Wisconsin, 28 states allow open-carry with no permit, registration, or training mandates. The revocation rate for open-carry permits in these states is well under 1%. That statistic speaks to the fact that those who possess firearms take their responsibilities seriously. Constitutional carry would not change this fact, but only enhance it.A number of states, including Utah and Texas, are now working to repeal their permitting systems in favor of constitutional carry. Why would Wisconsin not take a cue from other states that have gone well ahead of us?

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    Welcome to the forum & THANK YOU for the heads up !!!


    I know this for sure, as he mailed me a letter....Rep. Van Roy is Anti constitutional carry & very pro Training & permits.
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    The Assembly does NOT have to have it's own version of SB93 for it to become law. Assembly Reps can, and have done so, co-sponsor a Senate bill. If it passes in the Senate, it then goes to the Assembly (as amended & passed on the Senate floor) for their consideration. They can pass it as is, & it goes to the governor. If they further amend it, then they send it back to the Senate for approval of Assembly changes. It can go back & forth until there's a consensus.

    The same holds true for SB90, the Senate version of AB126 (SB90 & AB126 are indentical). The Senate has not yet approved of SB90 in committee, and they don't have to, to enact it if SB93 fails to get enough votes. If AB126 gets approved by the Assembly committee and makes it to the floor and gets approved there, then the Senate can pass it when sent to the them by the Assembly. (They will be, in effect, passing SB90).

    This appears to be the plan to insure that some form of CC gets passed. I expect the Senate to bring SB93 to the floor for a vote before the Assembly does the same with AB126. If it passes there, then I also expect the Assembly to consider SB93 before they consider AB126... after all, if SB93 passes both, SB90/AB126 becomes redundant. However, if SB93 fails anywhere in the process, the Assembly can immediately pass AB126, send it to the Senate to do the same, and we're not stuck with the status quo of no CC. AB126 makes a nice back-up plan, to get some form of CC in place before any possible disastrous results of any recall elections can kill it. Having the Assembly pass AB126 through committee ASAP, "sets up" this back-up plan. It's imperative to have CC (in the best form that can be had) approved by the Senate before recall elections. If it's not through the Senate, and recalls turn the majority over, we're done. Having the Assembly prepared to act on AB126 as written, should SB93 fail, makes perfect sense. IF constitutional carry does not make it, shall-issue permits is better than nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by safcrkr View Post
    The Assembly does NOT have to have it's own version of SB93 for it to become law. Assembly Reps can, and have done so, co-sponsor a Senate bill. If it passes in the Senate, it then goes to the Assembly (as amended & passed on the Senate floor) for their consideration. They can pass it as is, & it goes to the governor. If they further amend it, then they send it back to the Senate for approval of Assembly changes. It can go back & forth until there's a consensus.

    The same holds true for SB90, the Senate version of AB126 (SB90 & AB126 are indentical). The Senate has not yet approved of SB90 in committee, and they don't have to, to enact it if SB93 fails to get enough votes. If AB126 gets approved by the Assembly committee and makes it to the floor and gets approved there, then the Senate can pass it when sent to the them by the Assembly. (They will be, in effect, passing SB90).

    This appears to be the plan to insure that some form of CC gets passed. I expect the Senate to bring SB93 to the floor for a vote before the Assembly does the same with AB126. If it passes there, then I also expect the Assembly to consider SB93 before they consider AB126... after all, if SB93 passes both, SB90/AB126 becomes redundant. However, if SB93 fails anywhere in the process, the Assembly can immediately pass AB126, send it to the Senate to do the same, and we're not stuck with the status quo of no CC. AB126 makes a nice back-up plan, to get some form of CC in place before any possible disastrous results of any recall elections can kill it. Having the Assembly pass AB126 through committee ASAP, "sets up" this back-up plan. It's imperative to have CC (in the best form that can be had) approved by the Senate before recall elections. If it's not through the Senate, and recalls turn the majority over, we're done. Having the Assembly prepared to act on AB126 as written, should SB93 fail, makes perfect sense. IF constitutional carry does not make it, shall-issue permits is better than nothing.


    I am still hoping and working towards Constitutional Carry with the optional Permit bill...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Outdoorsman1 View Post
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    I am still hoping and working towards Constitutional Carry with the optional Permit bill...

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    Me too. But, I do not want to come out of this empty handed. Messing around with AB126 is the wrong thing to do. Leave it alone as it is, it's our fallback position should SB93 fail. We don't want to go back to status quo of no CC. If we change AB126 to conform to SB93, then what do we have left if they both fail together? Is there time before the recalls to start over? NO. Let me be clear - WE DO NOT NEED A CONSTITUTIONAL CARRY BILL IN THE ASSEMBLY TO SUCCEED! The Assembly can pass the Senate bill just as easily. Look at SB93 and you'll see plenty of Assembly co-sponsors. By having a fallback position, we can push harder on SB93 and not worry about getting nothing for trying. If we fail on SB93, then we can pass a "differant" bill, AB126. Then next election, vote out the bastages who waffled on SB93, and work on changes then. We'll at least have something in the interim. It's called "hedging your bet".
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    Quote Originally Posted by safcrkr View Post
    Me too. But, I do not want to come out of this empty handed. Messing around with AB126 is the wrong thing to do. Leave it alone as it is, it's our fallback position should SB93 fail. We don't want to go back to status quo of no CC. If we change AB126 to conform to SB93, then what do we have left if they both fail together? Is there time before the recalls to start over? NO. Let me be clear - WE DO NOT NEED A CONSTITUTIONAL CARRY BILL IN THE ASSEMBLY TO SUCCEED! The Assembly can pass the Senate bill just as easily. Look at SB93 and you'll see plenty of Assembly co-sponsors. By having a fallback position, we can push harder on SB93 and not worry about getting nothing for trying. If we fail on SB93, then we can pass a "differant" bill, AB126. Then next election, vote out the bastages who waffled on SB93, and work on changes then. We'll at least have something in the interim. It's called "hedging your bet".
    Agreed.....

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    The unfortunate aspect is, even if we "settle" for permit carry, and the recall elections don't go our way, how long do you think it will take for this (constitutional carry) to come up again? We've waited 10 years already.
    It'll be worse if neither bill passes and the repubs lose control of the senate. We'll never even get a decent permit carry bill for years to come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rcav8r View Post
    The unfortunate aspect is, even if we "settle" for permit carry, and the recall elections don't go our way, how long do you think it will take for this (constitutional carry) to come up again? We've waited 10 years already.
    It'll be worse if neither bill passes and the repubs lose control of the senate. We'll never even get a decent permit carry bill for years to come.
    We've waited longer than 10 years for concealed carry in any form. We have it within our grasp if WE don't screw it up. We've gotten screwed 3 times already. That's why we need a backup plan, and a plan to back that up wouldn't be bad either. Right now, our main goal is SB93. Our backup goal/plan should be AB126. And whatever we get, should be done before the recalls. I don't think the Dems will regain the Senate, by why take any chances?

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    back up plan?.................like move to Utah, or Florida?

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    Quote Originally Posted by McX View Post
    back up plan?.................like move to Utah, or Florida?
    Why Utah or Florida? I thought you didn't like permits. Why not Arizona, Alaska, or Wyoming?

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    WI Assembly - Executive session - AB 126 - 2 June
    This executive session is scheduled THIS THURSDAY at 10am.
    So is anybody following this as closely as soom followed SB-93 in the Senate Committee?

    Just wondering whats happening so far...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Outdoorsman1 View Post
    So is anybody following this as closely as soom followed SB-93 in the Senate Committee?

    Just wondering whats happening so far...

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    I just went to the Assembly website, Committee on Criminal Justice and Corrections, to see what happened. It says it was cancelled... no explanation.

    http://legis.wisconsin.gov/w3asp/com...HOUSE=Assembly

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    Quote Originally Posted by safcrkr View Post
    I just went to the Assembly website, Committee on Criminal Justice and Corrections, to see what happened. It says it was cancelled... no explanation.

    http://legis.wisconsin.gov/w3asp/com...HOUSE=Assembly
    Common sense willing, lets hope that they are waiting for SB 93 to be sent to them so they can pass it and send it where it needs to go!
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    Quote Originally Posted by safcrkr View Post
    I just went to the Assembly website, Committee on Criminal Justice and Corrections, to see what happened. It says it was cancelled... no explanation.
    http://legis.wisconsin.gov/w3asp/com...HOUSE=Assembly
    Hmmmm..????? wonder whats up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by springfield 1911 View Post
    Common sense willing, lets hope that they are waiting for SB 93 to be sent to them so they can pass it and send it where it needs to go!
    SB93, which is a Senate bill, does not need to go through an Assembly committee. Only Assembly bills must (or can) go through Assembly committees. The Assembly must wait for the full Senate to pass it and send it to the full Assembly before they can take any action on SB93. They can only act on an Assembly bill, and the only current Assembly CC bill is AB126. The scheduled meeting was to get AB126 through committee and available should the Assembly need or want to act on it.

    Hopefully, they discovered the error of the GFSZ language being defaulted to the federal language, which would change state GFSZ law to require locked gun cases within 1,000' of school properties for anyone who does not have a WI issued CC permit.... and they are having that corrected while still in committee.

    Or maybe the Dems on the committee fled to Illinois?

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    Quote Originally Posted by safcrkr View Post
    SB93, which is a Senate bill, does not need to go through an Assembly committee. Only Assembly bills must (or can) go through Assembly committees. The Assembly must wait for the full Senate to pass it and send it to the full Assembly before they can take any action on SB93. They can only act on an Assembly bill, and the only current Assembly CC bill is AB126. The scheduled meeting was to get AB126 through committee and available should the Assembly need or want to act on it.

    Hopefully, they discovered the error of the GFSZ language being defaulted to the federal language, which would change state GFSZ law to require locked gun cases within 1,000' of school properties for anyone who does not have a WI issued CC permit.... and they are having that corrected while still in committee.

    Or maybe the Dems on the committee fled to Illinois?
    Exactly but not in so many words.

    Originally Posted by springfield 1911
    Common sense willing, lets hope that they are waiting for SB 93 to be sent to them so they can pass it and send it where it needs to go!
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    Quote Originally Posted by safcrkr View Post
    Hopefully, they discovered the error of the GFSZ language being defaulted to the federal language, which would change state GFSZ law to require locked gun cases within 1,000' of school properties for anyone who does not have a WI issued CC permit.... and they are having that corrected while still in committee.
    I believe that an ammendment to fix that will be introduced by Galloway before the full Senate, as SB93 has already passed committee.

    I hope AB126 never see the light of day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by springfield 1911 View Post
    Exactly but not in so many words.

    Originally Posted by springfield 1911
    Common sense willing, lets hope that they are waiting for SB 93 to be sent to them so they can pass it and send it where it needs to go!
    Amen
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    Roger Rivard is my representative and is a staunch 2nd ammendment guy! I have talked to him (and emailed) he WILL vote for constitutional carry. If only our senator (Jauch) was more for constitutional rights than union thugs and vacations to Illinois.

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    Quote Originally Posted by springfield 1911 View Post
    Common sense willing, lets hope that they are waiting for SB 93 to be sent to them so they can pass it and send it where it needs to go!
    We can always hope!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BROKENSPROKET View Post
    I hope AB126 never see the light of day.
    If it's because SB93 makes it into law, then I agree.

    But if SB93 doesn't make it, I'd rather see AB126 than nothing at all. I'd much rather be among the majority of the states with shall-issue permits than one of only two with no CC whatsoever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by safcrkr View Post
    If it's because SB93 makes it into law, then I agree.

    But if SB93 doesn't make it, I'd rather see AB126 than nothing at all. I'd much rather be among the majority of the states with shall-issue permits than one of only two with no CC whatsoever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by safcrkr View Post
    If it's because SB93 makes it into law, then I agree.

    But if SB93 doesn't make it, I'd rather see AB126 than nothing at all. I'd much rather be among the majority of the states with shall-issue permits than one of only two with no CC whatsoever.
    That is pretty selfish of you. I can afford whatever they give us, but what about those that need the the most and cannot afford it. Are you thinking of them, or just yourself?

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    The Wisconsin State Assembly Criminal Justice and Corrections Committee postponed a vote on a concealed-carry bill on Thursday. It is unknown when the vote will be rescheduled.

    We need to get this done before the recall elections in July. If the Dems take control of the Senate we could be back to square one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BROKENSPROKET View Post
    That is pretty selfish of you. I can afford whatever they give us, but what about those that need the the most and cannot afford it. Are you thinking of them, or just yourself?
    ROFL A 5 year permit in AB126 will cost $65. That's $13 per year!!!! If there is anybody who owns a gun and cannot afford $13 PER YEAR to carry it, then NO I don't feel sorry for them if their life isn't worth $13 to them. They can go mow a few lawns or shovel snow from a sidewalk to earn the $13. That amounts to 2 packs of smokes, 1 case of beer, or 1 box of ammo per year. Are you for fricken real? Enough of this crying for the "poor". It doesn't wash.

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