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    OMG! Many Men With a lot of GUNZ!!!!1111eleventy111!

    There we wewre, minding our own business, enjoying the beautiful weather after partaking of our usual Saturday breakfast (see http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...t-6-4.-9-30-AM) when three cars worth of Henrico County's finest rolled up. Two cars, with one officer with his Tazer out, rolled up for what turned out to be another issue inside. The third officer saw his compatriots heading inside, looked at us as he walked (quickly) past us, and followed them inside.

    When it was all over but the paperwork and a free ride, Officer #3 came back past us and stated that he really thought there was no need for him to have been called. A quick exchange of questions and answers revealed that there had been a MMWALOG* call. A few more pleasantries were exchanged and he went on to do police work where it was much more needed.

    Peter Nap will be doing his impression of a FOIA request on Monday morning at the latest. We sort of think we know who (not name, but general identity) it might have been that called. The real fun will be finding out exactly what was said about the MMWALOG*.

    stay tuned for more exciting information.

    stay safe.





    *MMWALOG = Many Men With A Lot Of Guns

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    FOIA is on it's way and I'm working on the video now.
    Did you notice that Officer #1 had a Taser in his hand when he asked if we were waiting for him?
    Last edited by peter nap; 06-04-2011 at 01:37 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    FOIA is on it's way and I'm working on the video now.
    Did you notice that Officer #1 had a Taser in his hand when he asked if we were waiting for him?
    Oh yeah; he was 5 feet away from me. At the time I was wondering if he had considered the wisdom of using a single shot Taser on a group of 7+ guys with guns. Not saying we would have violently reacted... but I'm just sayin'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by t33j View Post
    At the time I was wondering if he had considered the wisdom of using a single shot Taser on a group of 7+ guys with guns. Not saying we would have violently reacted... but I'm just sayin'.
    Does anyone know if there have been sufficient tests done to insure that a taser will not set off a chambered round?

    Corollary: if someone's hand happened to be near their trigger when they "clenched" I wonder what the immediate unintended consequence would be?
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    While this went better for the OCers than the Manassas, Madison, and the restaurant in PA, one does have to wonder why police were dispatched at all. (sigh)

    Was there a false allegation by the caller?

    Was this maybe more a medical emergency where someone was hyperventilating?

    Also, I should like to see whether the caller was anonymous. It can affect the officer's RAS--see Florida vs JL.

    http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/htm...9_0266_ZO.html

    Eagerly awaiting the FOIA response, Henrico.

    Also, Peter, please double and triple check to make sure Henrico:
    1. Gives you everything you asked for
    2. Complied with the FOI statute regarding citing the statute exempting any info they withhold while telling you the volume of withheld information.
    3. Correctly used the statutes for anything they claimed was exempt.
    Last edited by Citizen; 06-04-2011 at 02:35 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    While this went better for the OCers than the Manassas, Madison, and the restaurant in PA, one does have to wonder why police were dispatched at all. (sigh)

    Was there a false allegation by the caller?

    Was this maybe more a medical emergency where someone was hyperventilating?

    Also, I should like to see whether the caller was anonymous. It can affect the officer's RAS--see Florida vs JL.

    http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/htm...9_0266_ZO.html

    Eagerly awaiting the FOIA response, Henrico.

    Also, Peter, please double and triple check to make sure Henrico:
    1. Gives you everything you asked for
    2. Complied with the FOI statute regarding citing the statute exempting any info they withhold while telling you the volume of withheld information.
    3. Correctly used the statutes for anything they claimed was exempt.
    I'll be sure to triple check Citizen. This comes at a good time since we will be meeting them next week.
    While Officer #1 was pleasant enough, I don't like having a Tazer drawn on me for being peaceful. I had mine and I wonder what his reaction would have been if I'd kept it in my hand while he was there.
    I cut the resolution and edited it to keep Oc'ers fairly discreet.
    It was taken with camera #1, my helmet Gopro sitting on a bench and #2 my Zoom Q3 in my hand.


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    This is a better look at him drawing his Taser as he started to talk to us.


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    Always a bridesmaid, but never a bride.... I was this close || to making the breakfast this morning but something else came up here at the house.

    I look forward to the FOIA.

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    Could one of yall explain why they were escorting the resturant employee out of the building.
    Did they arrest him, and why? " If he was arrested I hope it was because of him calling the cops on yall". ( HaHahAh) Now that would be poetic justice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MR Redenck View Post
    Could one of yall explain why they were escorting the resturant employee out of the building.
    Did they arrest him, and why? " If he was arrested I hope it was because of him calling the cops on yall". ( HaHahAh) Now that would be poetic justice.
    Actually, the restaurant is VERY OC friendly. I think the fat fellow in the snazzy shirt smoking a cigarette in the beginning was who called.

    As near as I can tell, the employee was late on his child support. Mama-ex came by the other day and saw him with another woman so she asked the Judge to put him in the pokie for not making his support payments on time.

    When the cops got the call for that address the computer hit an outstanding warrant employed there....so one cop came out to Tase the animals with guns and two came out to arrest the waiter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    Actually, the restaurant is VERY OC friendly. I think the fat fellow in the snazzy shirt smoking a cigarette in the beginning was who called.

    As near as I can tell, the employee was late on his child support. Mama-ex came by the other day and saw him with another woman so she asked the Judge to put him in the pokie for not making his support payments on time.

    When the cops got the call for that address the computer hit an outstanding warrant employed there....so one cop came out to Tase the animals with guns and two came out to arrest the waiter.
    Interesting happenings!

    Glad no animals were harmed in the making of this video!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wylde007 View Post
    Corollary: if someone's hand happened to be near their trigger when they "clenched" I wonder what the immediate unintended consequence would be?

    If the tazer had hit someone like Peter Nap or Skid as a result of a ND, I can tell you EXACTLY what the end result would be...

    A big fat Federal 1983 suite with a substantial payout...
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    Hmmmm. One thing the video shows----OCers gotta lose some weight.

    Hey! I wonder if that's why we get mistaken for cops sometimes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wylde007 View Post
    Does anyone know if there have been sufficient tests done to insure that a taser will not set off a chambered round?

    Corollary: if someone's hand happened to be near their trigger when they "clenched" I wonder what the immediate unintended consequence would be?
    I couldn't possibly see that ever happening. The cartridge is a fully encased metal housing. Any discharges around the outside would just flow through the cartridge to the other side without ever entering the interior. Much the same as a plane being struck by lightning, which happens all the time. The only possibility would be if the dart pierced the casing and I don't see that ever happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ProShooter View Post
    Damn troublemakers!
    Would you mind specifying who you were referring to?

    stay safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by t33j View Post
    Oh yeah; he was 5 feet away from me. At the time I was wondering if he had considered the wisdom of using a single shot Taser on a group of 7+ guys with guns. Not saying we would have violently reacted... but I'm just sayin'.
    Never did understand the point of the Taser in his hand - in fact why any weapon in his hand as he checked us out?

    The man in the "tourist" shirt and smoking by the door asked me if I knew what was happening. That was before, the 2 HPD escorted the man out from inside. I suggested that possibly someone not knowing better had made an OMG-MWAG call. He got a funny look on his face after I informed him of the legality in Va. and went inside shortly thereafter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ProShooter View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    Would you mind specifying who you were referring to?

    stay safe.
    I had nothing to do with the event you speak of

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    Quote Originally Posted by All American Nightmare View Post
    I had nothing to do with the event you speak of
    Careful!
    I could play the audio of the excessive bebop music that could have landed us in the Hilton

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Never did understand the point of the Taser in his hand......
    Grape - I've been trying to figure that out too. I notice the 2 officers that went inside also had their Tasers in hand, so I have to assume they are following a certain protocol.

    I will not be able to attend the MWAG / Henrico session, but I would sure love to hear about that protocol. Tactically speaking, even from the officer safety standpoint, it sure seems like showing up to a MWAG call with a Taser in hand is a dumbass move.

    I just don't "get-it".

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    almost looks like he has the tazer backwards, like holding it by the ...well what would be considerd the "barrel" usually tazers have yellow and black stripped markings on the "shoots this way" end. and that is in the back of his hand. not the front. cant tell though, cant get the vid to expand far enough
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    Quote Originally Posted by carry for myself View Post
    almost looks like he has the tazer backwards, like holding it by the ...well what would be considerd the "barrel" usually tazers have yellow and black stripped markings on the "shoots this way" end. and that is in the back of his hand. not the front. cant tell though, cant get the vid to expand far enough
    His holster carried it vertically with the muzzle pointing forward. He drew it backward with his left hand and grabbed the muzzle end with his right, then shifted his right to the grip.

    The ends of the cartridge were yellow but there was no yellow striping along the barrel (That was the first thing I pulled off of mine).

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    Quote Originally Posted by carry for myself View Post
    almost looks like he has the tazer backwards, like holding it by the ...well what would be considerd the "barrel" usually tazers have yellow and black stripped markings on the "shoots this way" end. and that is in the back of his hand. not the front. cant tell though, cant get the vid to expand far enough
    Just print "TGIF" on Barney's tazer... This Goes In Front.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr H View Post
    Just print "TGIF" on Barney's tazer... This Goes In Front.

    gotta make sure "Trained Police Officers" point their tazers in the correct direction. as if to not tazer their own foot lol
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