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GlockRDH
Regular Member
I think its time you find a more scriptural based church...Doing so, im sure youll find it to be much less PC...and more willing to listen to logic, common sense and scripture...
oak1971
Regular Member
I haven't tried at my church. I hope your search goes well.
LR Yote 312
Regular Member
McX,
Hve you looked into the Church of the Great Outdoors?
Cant think of too many members that are not armed in some way (rifle,pistol or bow).
Dont have to look very far to see the Beauty of The Great Spirit's work.
Farther in (the woods) ya go it usually more peaceful.
LR Yote
Hve you looked into the Church of the Great Outdoors?
Cant think of too many members that are not armed in some way (rifle,pistol or bow).
Dont have to look very far to see the Beauty of The Great Spirit's work.
Farther in (the woods) ya go it usually more peaceful.
LR Yote
cleveland
Regular Member
Perhaps your gun doesn't fit their interpretation of Gods will. As I understand God's will, God does not like the weak and ignorant. After all, they tend to die sooner then the strong and prepared. That's just my person view.
Best of luck with finding a new place to worship.
Best of luck with finding a new place to worship.
M
McX
Guest
the school is an add on original building, and is connected to, but not a part of-in my opinion, the sanctuary. i can access the sanctuary, via the main doors, and with a wisconsin permit, i would contend i am not on school grounds. but it's a moot point, i'm out of there.
M
McX
Guest
sniffle, sniffle, i'm feeling sorry for myself today. i was cast out of the garden of eden, because i picked up and carried the handgun of knowledge. my God, my God, why hath thou forsaken me? fortunately for me, the yellow pages are full of Churches to consider. Maybe I'll find God hanging out at another one, maybe He'll be there with a .45 on His hip.
davegran
Regular Member
Details?
Which church in particular did you go to?
Which church in particular did you go to?
M
McX
Guest
wont say. privacy issues. All i can do is relay the experience. i'm getting damn tired of being shamed for what i know is right. i'm the one who always has to accomodate, to follow the rules, to be innocent of instigation, blah, blah, blah. i do this so my kids wont have to, but i tell ya................some days.
M-Taliesin
Regular Member
Howdy Amigo!
I am going to try to distill my thoughts to simple terms:
Columbine was a gun free zone.
Virginia Tech was a gun free zone.
Post Offices are gun free zones.
Where do mass shootings take place.
Contrast/compare:
New Life Church had armed folks who stopped a heavily armed intruder.
My CCW instructor attends a church with 5,000 members. Of that number, around 1,000 are armed.
The criminal intent on felonious assault could care less about church policy. In the simplest terms; preventing church members from carrying only serves up worshippers as sacrificial lambs helpless against a slaughter. Such a policy is to invite trouble to this particular house of worship:
He that troubleth his own house shall inherit the wind: and the fool [shall be] servant to the wise of heart. Prov 11:29
One cannot hope the whirlwind will pass simply by posting a sign. And he that ignores fact will inherit the wind.
Blessings,
M-Taliesin
I am going to try to distill my thoughts to simple terms:
Columbine was a gun free zone.
Virginia Tech was a gun free zone.
Post Offices are gun free zones.
Where do mass shootings take place.
Contrast/compare:
New Life Church had armed folks who stopped a heavily armed intruder.
My CCW instructor attends a church with 5,000 members. Of that number, around 1,000 are armed.
The criminal intent on felonious assault could care less about church policy. In the simplest terms; preventing church members from carrying only serves up worshippers as sacrificial lambs helpless against a slaughter. Such a policy is to invite trouble to this particular house of worship:
He that troubleth his own house shall inherit the wind: and the fool [shall be] servant to the wise of heart. Prov 11:29
One cannot hope the whirlwind will pass simply by posting a sign. And he that ignores fact will inherit the wind.
Blessings,
M-Taliesin
MKEgal
Regular Member
I replied on FB, will add some thoughts here...
:arrow:1) a church is private property, so they don't have any obligation to recognize your rights & you have no recourse other than not giving them money. (Thank goodness the church is not a gov't entity!!!)
Go ahead & point out the conflict between expecting to exercise their 1A right while denying your 2A right. Hypocritical of them.
Using scriptural examples could be useful & other people have given you lots.
They're running on fear & emotion, not logic, so you have to figure out a way to both make them see the stupidity of their position (a policy will stop a criminal from committing murder) AND make them more afraid of being vulnerable.
Making themselves more vulnerable will not stop a criminal.
:arrow:2) their concern, or rather the concern of the sheeple who have caused this mess, is likely to be based on fear for their safety.
They fear that you will harm them.
Even if they won't admit that, they fear that someone carrying a gun will harm them.
They hold the illogical belief that putting up a sign or making a policy will stop this potential harm.
I'd counter this by pointing out that criminals don't follow laws, & someone who's willing to rob or murder certainly won't be bothered by a church policy.
DO NOT say anything about a "sign on the door"!!!
Here's why:
a) if they don't post it, they'll have to tell each carrier they see that they're not welcome.
b) without posting, once CC is legal you can carry concealed.
c) they could actually read SB93 & meet the signage requirements, then nobody could carry there.
You could point out that laws & policies didn't stop massacres at VA Tech, NIU, Columbine, or the Brookfield church, but an armed parishoner who had volunteered to act as security that day stopped a murderer from killing people in Colorado Springs.
Also point out that if nobody is armed, the criminal intent on mass murder has control.
Find out what the average response time for police is in Racine.
That should scare them.
:arrow:3) It might be worth mentioning that unless there are metal detectors, anyone can ignore the church policy.
By requiring members to be defenseless, then not protecting them from criminals who will have ill intent, the church is increasing its liability. How good is their insurance?
:arrow:1) a church is private property, so they don't have any obligation to recognize your rights & you have no recourse other than not giving them money. (Thank goodness the church is not a gov't entity!!!)
Go ahead & point out the conflict between expecting to exercise their 1A right while denying your 2A right. Hypocritical of them.
Using scriptural examples could be useful & other people have given you lots.
They're running on fear & emotion, not logic, so you have to figure out a way to both make them see the stupidity of their position (a policy will stop a criminal from committing murder) AND make them more afraid of being vulnerable.
Making themselves more vulnerable will not stop a criminal.
:arrow:2) their concern, or rather the concern of the sheeple who have caused this mess, is likely to be based on fear for their safety.
They fear that you will harm them.
Even if they won't admit that, they fear that someone carrying a gun will harm them.
They hold the illogical belief that putting up a sign or making a policy will stop this potential harm.
I'd counter this by pointing out that criminals don't follow laws, & someone who's willing to rob or murder certainly won't be bothered by a church policy.
DO NOT say anything about a "sign on the door"!!!
Here's why:
a) if they don't post it, they'll have to tell each carrier they see that they're not welcome.
b) without posting, once CC is legal you can carry concealed.
c) they could actually read SB93 & meet the signage requirements, then nobody could carry there.
You could point out that laws & policies didn't stop massacres at VA Tech, NIU, Columbine, or the Brookfield church, but an armed parishoner who had volunteered to act as security that day stopped a murderer from killing people in Colorado Springs.
Also point out that if nobody is armed, the criminal intent on mass murder has control.
Find out what the average response time for police is in Racine.
That should scare them.
:arrow:3) It might be worth mentioning that unless there are metal detectors, anyone can ignore the church policy.
By requiring members to be defenseless, then not protecting them from criminals who will have ill intent, the church is increasing its liability. How good is their insurance?
Interceptor_Knight
Regular Member
They have not increased their liability. This is a falacy and a pipe dream.
HandyHamlet
Regular Member
Small, insignificant, angry little people on a power trip... I should feel sorry for them but instead I will laugh and mock them publicly. I am kind of shallow.
I'm sure the satisfaction of acceptance into your new "home", when you find it, will be worth the drama. And the cheeseburgers will never taste so good.
I'm sure the satisfaction of acceptance into your new "home", when you find it, will be worth the drama. And the cheeseburgers will never taste so good.
M
McX
Guest
MKE leave this here, i'll be taking your words with me. apparently i havent walked yet. they've offered me a cheeseburger, negotiations continue. i have a modest plan. It's a cheeseburger from the hand of God no less, so it's hard to refuse. i'll let you know how thurs at 7 goes.
M
McX
Guest
Howdy Amigo!
I am going to try to distill my thoughts to simple terms:
Columbine was a gun free zone.
Virginia Tech was a gun free zone.
Post Offices are gun free zones.
Where do mass shootings take place.
dude, to me the whole planet is a gun free school zone................'cept for this little diner i know of.
I am going to try to distill my thoughts to simple terms:
Columbine was a gun free zone.
Virginia Tech was a gun free zone.
Post Offices are gun free zones.
Where do mass shootings take place.
dude, to me the whole planet is a gun free school zone................'cept for this little diner i know of.
davegran
Regular Member
M
McX
Guest
i'm sorry Dave, i dont want to get smote down, or a plague of locusts, so i'll roll with it, and see where it goes. rights are apparently a new concept to some. i'll boogie for sure if i hear that it's for the children crap.
Big Dipper
Regular Member
M
McX
Guest
well many things they havent considered; never mind my mug, and my wallet being there periodically, if i go others may come. and if i croak, who's coming to my funeral, and what you think they going to carry besides my dead butt? plus i bet they will stick a few in the collection plate. were around, and that's it- accept it. hold my funeral outside the school zone please.