Odd email response from Rep. Klenke

I emailed him several times over the last 3 weeks concerning Constitutional Carry and adding "Stand your Ground" to the Castle Doctrine Bill. This is the reply I finally received yesterday (he also gave me his phone number );

If you are wondering if I am supportive of concealed carry, I am.

As you know there are two competing bills, one in the Senate and one in
the Assembly. I will only get the opportunity to vote on one of them.
Which one depends upon the negotiations that are going on between the
Governor's office, the Speaker's office and the Senate majority leader's
office. As you note, time is short. We will only have one opportunity
to vote before fall. It is important that we pass a bill that the two
branches of government will agree upon AND which the Governor will sign.

Again, I'd be happy to discuss this with you further. If you are unable
to call today or tomorrow, I can be reached in the office in Madison on
Tues-Thurs this week at 888-534-0088.

Sincerely,
John

I am seriously wondering what this statement means "the negotiations that are going on between the Governor's office"

What is there to negotiate with Walker much less the Speaker's office and the Senate majority leader's office?

Sounds to me like he let a some sort of cat out of the bag here.

Can anyone else figure this out?

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"Laws are like sausages, it is better not to see them being made." - Otto von Bismarck

What is sounds like is collaboration between what the Fitzi's are willing to give and what Walker wants. That tells me that if Constitutional carry is disassembled it will mean Fitzi's and Walker were in agreement to disregard our nations and states constitutions. Walker has already stated he wants license and training, and all other corrosponance has been pro-constitutional carry. If we go backwards that would tell me Walker has sold us out.



Then I would agree with the Recall Walker campaign.

bigdaddy1 said:

if we go backwards that would tell me walker has sold us out.

Then i would agree with the recall walker campaign.

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x1,000!!!

The message I'm getting is that the Governor and Speaker are pushing for mandatory training and permits. If this takes place it will be important for those legislators pushing for Constitutional Carry to sound-off and to stand back. We will show those that sold us out the way out of town in the next election cycle! I'm tired of compromise and there is no excuse for any bill less than ideal.

They're likely "surveying" the Republicans in both houses to see if there's enough support to pass SB93. If anyone thinks they don't know in advance how the vote will go when they bring a bill to the floor and they base their actions on what they know the results will be, you are pretty naive about politics. If there's any changes as to which law they push forward or any amendments made to it, it's because that's were they believe they have enough votes to succeed. This isn't like the last 2 times, when they needed some Dems to crossover to override Doyle's veto. The Repubs just need a simple majority & can do it without any Dems. So there should be no "surprises" like Sherman/Van Akerran/Steinbrink... if there's not enough Repubs committed to pass it easily, they simply won't go there. If Walker says he'll veto a bill, they won't go there either, because there's no way to override it, without some Dems (fat chance).

The only possible Dem vote that SB93 has is Holperin... only because he's a co-sponsor, and he's facing a close recall in a mostly Repub district. I live in his district and I've heard him called a "Republi-Crat" because he's very pro-gun for a Dem. I'll be shocked if SB93 gets any other Dem votes. OTOH, SB90/AB126 might get some Dem support (not that it's needed). There's still some Dems leftover who twice voted to override Doyle (Wirch, Lassa, Vruwink come to mind).

And he's probably right about getting one shot before recalls. If the Dems take back the Senate, it's still possible to pass SB90/AB126 there - with some not so pleasant amendments - if Holperin survives recalls, and Wirch & Lassa become pro-gun enough to buck their party line... but that's a longshot.

BTW... Holperin's opponant favors SB93, but with a slim Dem majority, we'd need as least some of them on our side to have the majority. Problem with this is, it'd have to be an Assembly bill or SB93, because the Senate committee will turn over, and a Repub will leave and another lib Dem will take that spot. No further CC bills will pass through a committee chaired by Risser or Erpenbach.

I consider myself a pretty keen political observer and believe it would be in the Republican Party's best interest to let SB93 fail rather than push through a compromised bill. A compromised CC bill with mandatory permits and training isn't going to get them much if any political capital among their base. A clean CC bill either passed or not will charge their base and get them the votes they need come election time.

Ask yourself "Will I vote to re-elect someone who compromised on restoring one of my most basic and fundamental rights?" I will not. It is more important that someone stand up for basic and fundamental rights first, both before and above all other political ideologies. If you cannot excercise those liberties enumerated in the Bill of Rights then the value of those liberties that change with the political winds are no more than a handful of sand in the desert.

While I will be very upset with permits, I will be even more upset if we end up with a completely anti gun, anti personal defense, democrat socialist party taking over and making my life a living hell for another decade.

Drakon said:

I consider myself a pretty keen political observer and believe it would be in the Republican Party's best interest to let SB93 fail rather than push through a compromised bill.

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Likely to happen, since it's the only bill through committee so far. If they were taking another route, the Assembly wouldn't have cancelled the committee session on AB126 last week. It looks like SB93 or bust.

A compromised CC bill with mandatory permits and training isn't going to get them much if any political capital among their base. A clean CC bill either passed or not will charge their base and get them the votes they need come election time.

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Don't shoot the messenger... but I think you're wrong. Not everybody on the Republican side agrees with no permits or no training. From what I see and hear from people I talk to who support concealed carry (which is pretty much everybody), support for a permit system outnumbers pure constitutional by at least 3-1. The whole state of WI doesn't post here. Only those who support constitutional carry do, so it's easy to get lulled into thinking that WE are the majority.... but reality is, we're not. What do we got here... 3 or 4 dozen hardliners? Maybe 5? Despite the on-line polls (easily "spammed") , the "silent" majority (those who support permits) will be major pissed if SB93 is our only go around. Getting NO cc at all will hurt the Republicans much more because there's more support for concealed carry "in the best we can get" fashion than there is for "pure constitutional carry or nothing".

Ask yourself "Will I vote to re-elect someone who compromised on restoring one of my most basic and fundamental rights?" I will not. It is more important that someone stand up for basic and fundamental rights first, both before and above all other political ideologies. If you cannot excercise those liberties enumerated in the Bill of Rights then the value of those liberties that change with the political winds are no more than a handful of sand in the desert.

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I vote the lesser of two evils... always have, probably always will. I've never ever voted for anyone who I agreed with 100%, and I've been voting since 1972. I won't cut off my nose to spite my face by voting for a Dem because the Repub wasn't 100% behind my position... especially when the Dem is likely to be 100% against my position. 75% thinking alike is about the best I'll ever see (unless Ted Nugent gets into politics). That's a reality I've learned in my 61 years. Like it or not, it'll never change. I voted for Ross Perot in 92 because Bush senior wasn't "pro-gun enough". Lots of others did likewise. We got Clinton instead, complete with Brady Bill and AWB. Did I learn? Nope. I voted my conscience again, for Perot again in '96... got 4 more years of Clinton. Lesson learned. You cannot beat the liberals by voting only for a 100% pure conservative Republican, because there aren't any. The Dems will just keep winning and winning.

Another good example. WI's election of 2002. Scott McCallum against Jim Doyle, with Ed Thompson running as a third party Libertarian. I liked Thompson more than the other two... but after the 90's & Clinton, and looking at the pre-election polls, I knew better. We got 8 years of Doyle because Thompson got about 15% of the vote. Add that 15% of "conscience voters" to McCallum's totals, and Doyle loses. We would'nt even be having this conversation because we'd have had CC since 2003 without Doyle getting in and vetoing it twice. You want 8 yrs of Barrett? Go ahead and with-hold your vote from Walker because he's not "pro-gun enough".

=safcrkr;1547541]Likely to happen, since it's the only bill through committee so far. If they were taking another route, the Assembly wouldn't have cancelled the committee session on AB126 last week. It looks like SB93 or bust.

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Agree completely

Don't shoot the messenger... but I think you're wrong. Not everybody on the Republican side agrees with no permits or no training. From what I see and hear from people I talk to who support concealed carry (which is pretty much everybody), support for a permit system outnumbers pure constitutional by at least 3-1. The whole state of WI doesn't post here. Only those who support constitutional carry do, so it's easy to get lulled into thinking that WE are the majority.... but reality is, we're not. What do we got here... 3 or 4 dozen hardliners? Maybe 5? Despite the on-line polls (easily "spammed") , the "silent" majority (those who support permits) will be major pissed if SB93 is our only go around. Getting NO cc at all will hurt the Republicans much more because there's more support for concealed carry "in the best we can get" fashion than there is for "pure constitutional carry or nothing".

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I partially agree. I concede the point that more people would support a permit system than clean CC. I also agree that alot of folks would be PO'd if we get nothing. I don't believe that an all or nothing approach would cost the Republicans any votes or weaken them. If the bill is shot down they win because they "stuck to their guns" and you, I, and most people who are pro-carry will continue to support them. If they get this passed they look like "rockstars" and get national attention. Those that wanted "permitted carry" will still support them and after a year or two will forget about any reservations they had. WIN-WIN

I vote the lesser of two evils... always have, probably always will. I've never ever voted for anyone who I agreed with 100%, and I've been voting since 1972. I won't cut off my nose to spite my face by voting for a Dem because the Repub wasn't 100% behind my position... especially when the Dem is likely to be 100% against my position. 75% thinking alike is about the best I'll ever see (unless Ted Nugent gets into politics). That's a reality I've learned in my 61 years. Like it or not, it'll never change. I voted for Ross Perot in 92 because Bush senior wasn't "pro-gun enough". Lots of others did likewise. We got Clinton instead, complete with Brady Bill and AWB. Did I learn? Nope. I voted my conscience again, for Perot again in '96... got 4 more years of Clinton. Lesson learned. You cannot beat the liberals by voting only for a 100% pure conservative Republican, because there aren't any. The Dems will just keep winning and winning.

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I vote for what matters at the moment I'm in the booth. It may be about guns or it may not be. Vote for what matters to you. I don't believe either party has a leg up on the other as a whole. I myself agree with neither party because I probably fall into the Libertarian category

bigdaddy1 said:

What is sounds like is collaboration between what the Fitzi's are willing to give and what Walker wants. That tells me that if Constitutional carry is disassembled it will mean Fitzi's and Walker were in agreement to disregard our nations and states constitutions. Walker has already stated he wants license and training...

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I guess I'm screwed. Senator Julie Lassa-D and Representative Amy Sue Vruwink-D will support mandatory training and mandatory licensing but not support constitutional carry. Governor Walker has convened a circle-jerk with my 2A rights with what appears to be the blessing of Republican's and RINO's alike.

By the way, Smith & Wesson is coming out with a new pistol called the POLITICIAN...
IT DOESN'T WORK AND YOU CAN'T FIRE IT!!!:shocker::shocker::shocker:

The repubs know they have 1 guaranteed shot to get concealed carry before recalls. They are trying to hammer out which version they are going after by taking informal votes between the senate, legislature, and governor. This happens ALL the time, folks. There is no doubt but the repubs play the politics game too, though not often as well as the democrats. The question is do they see constitutional carry as politically viable.

If they pass nothing they will be in for a hurting from many Wisconsin voters (gun owners and some non-gun owners too). If they pass the permit bill they will get mostly all of those votes back sans a few people on this forum and elsewhere. If they pass the constitutional bill, they will get all those votes back. In my opinion the slight majority of swing voters (moderate douchebags) will vote against them in either case. So they really need the support of the people who want constitutional carry to be re-elected (there must be 10,000 votes across the state between WCI and other organizations). 10,000 votes is the margin of victory, folks.