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    Not this again... Gun buyback in Muskegon

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    Yep, everybody will be much, much safer now! End sarcasm.

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    if i'm not busy that day...

    might be an opportunity to go buy a cheap gun or two, or even turn in an old piece of junk i have
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    (social justice) o I love that..comming soon to a church neer you. sarcasm off just a quick read if you havent heard about it.

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    gotta love churches that don't believe in self-defense. they must have forgotten about the persecution of Christians through the centuries... usually at the hands of governments. and here they are holding hands with the government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smellslikemichigan View Post
    might be an opportunity to go buy a cheap gun or two, or even turn in an old piece of junk i have
    I'm in if you go. I'll share gas money if you pick me up in Lansing on your way across....
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    A couple issues here:

    1. No such thing as a "buy back" unless the Government previously owned them.

    2. If you are in Muskegon Heights, you probably need firearms and should not turn them in.

    3. Unless a person has a CPL or Permission from the Church Owner, they are committing a misdemeanor by bringing the firearm on Church Premises under MCL 750.234d.

    4. Jesus commanded his disciples to sell your cloak and buy a sword in Luke 22:36.

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    http://legislature.mi.gov/doc.aspx?mcl-750-234d

    http://bible.cc/luke/22-36.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by PDinDetroit View Post
    1. No such thing as a "buy back" unless the Government previously owned them.
    Under a socialist or authoritarian government, they do own everything and everyone and they decide what you get to keep.

    Even In the US the government owns everyone as evidenced by their ability to take a portion of your time (taxes). They decide how much it is you are allowed to keep. Sure, you can vote for your rep every four years -- but everyone is on the take.

    Ladies and gents, Congress HAS discovered they can bribe everyone with their own (or their neighbor's) money. This must stop.
    Call for a cop, call for an ambulance, and call for a pizza. See who shows up first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PDinDetroit View Post
    3. Unless a person has a CPL or Permission from the Church Owner, they are committing a misdemeanor by bringing the firearm on Church Premises under MCL 750.234d.
    Permission is implied by the church allowing the "buy back" to take place on church property?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jm62383 View Post
    Permission is implied by the church allowing the "buy back" to take place on church property?
    Doubtful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PDinDetroit View Post
    Doubtful.
    Any violation of the law would be unprosecutable -- police entrapment.

    Not to mention -- it'd be a huge win for gun rights. Newspaper headlines: Gun Buyback backfires as participants are arrested for possession in a church.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheQ View Post

    Congress HAS discovered they can bribe everyone with their own (or their neighbor's) money. This must stop.
    How we supposed to do that? The only way isnt even allowed to be discussed here, and the only people who could, cant get on the same page long enough to get something like that done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stainless1911 View Post
    How we supposed to do that? The only way isnt even allowed to be discussed here, and the only people who could, cant get on the same page long enough to get something like that done.
    Don't vote for a Democrat or a Republican next time. That's a starter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheQ View Post
    Don't vote for a Democrat or a Republican next time. That's a starter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheQ View Post
    Any violation of the law would be unprosecutable -- police entrapment.

    Not to mention -- it'd be a huge win for gun rights. Newspaper headlines: Gun Buyback backfires as participants are arrested for possession in a church.
    Or better yet arrested for possesion of an unregistered weapon. They also could be charged for acting as a gun dealer without a ffl or purchasing without the proper paperwork. Another case of only following the laws when it is convienent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stainless1911 View Post
    If the independents gain, and then retain power, that power will go to those heads as well.
    Not really. Want to eliminate all gun control -- period? Elect the Libertarians.

    Hell, they won't think twice about making Heroin legal. They DEFINITELY have no problems with people having/carrying guns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheQ View Post
    Not really. Want to eliminate all gun control -- period? Elect the Libertarians.

    Hell, they won't think twice about making Heroin legal. They DEFINITELY have no problems with people having/carrying guns.

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    I have a mosin nagant that is trashed... won't even fire. I wonder how much they will give me for that?
    If I decide to go, I will be carrying my pistol OC...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrTodd View Post
    I have a mosin nagant that is trashed... won't even fire. I wonder how much they will give me for that?
    If I decide to go, I will be carrying my pistol OC...
    i love it! they will probably check to see if the firing pin works, so maybe nothing, but still fun regardless. i have an old sterling .22 that jams a lot and i've thought about taking it to a buyback just to get an estimate, then walking out with it if they low-ball.
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    They are usually a set price. From what I can remember... The .org that usually does these things usually pays:

    $25 for long guns
    $50 for pistols
    $100 for "assault weapons"

    So if you have a rifle or shotgun, make sure you cut it down to a SBR/SBS FIRST!!! (I WOULDN'T actually do this seeing as how it is illegal, BUT they would consider it an "assault weapon", and you would most likely get 4X the money, and they give you "amnesty", and its "no questions asked" usually) Just sayin. Oh and in case I didn't mention, cutting down your firearm to an illegal length IS ILLEGAL!!! Roll your own dice!
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    Quote Originally Posted by eastmeyers View Post
    They are usually a set price. From what I can remember... The .org that usually does these things usually pays:

    $25 for long guns
    $50 for pistols
    $100 for "assault weapons"

    So if you have a rifle or shotgun, make sure you cut it down to a SBR/SBS FIRST!!! (I WOULDN'T actually do this seeing as how it is illegal, BUT they would consider it an "assault weapon", and you would most likely get 4X the money, and they give you "amnesty", and its "no questions asked" usually) Just sayin. Oh and in case I didn't mention, cutting down your firearm to an illegal length IS ILLEGAL!!! Roll your own dice!
    Yep, I wouldn't cut it down. But, the reason I won't fire it is not the firing pin. The barrel is bad (all internal damage) from an owner previous to my friend. Huge pits and it may be pretty weak. The bayonet is also permanently welded to gun so maybe it could be an "assault weapon" (lol). Since I paid nothing for it, 25 dollars wouldn't be so bad.
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    well,,,

    just screw a length of broom handle to the forend to make a grip..

    and dont forget to put on one of those "things in the back, that go up"!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1245A Defender View Post
    just screw a length of broom handle to the forend to make a grip..

    and dont forget to put on one of those "things in the back, that go up"!!!
    Maybe if I get a note from Rep. Carolyn McCarthy that she's scared of it... that would surely work.
    Giving up our liberties for safety is the one sure way to let the violent among us win.

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