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    I was out to shoot clays tonight and I heard talk that AA police will make life difficult for those of us that wants to OC in downtown.

    So I want to hear votes for OC or just a meet up somewhere. Or another suggestion

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    You'll be okay as long as you follow the PFZ/CPL stuff. But go on Google Maps and print-out downtown. UofM has a bunch of properties sprinkled throughout the city. Technically the city owns the sidewalks and they are 'public thoroughfares' , but the property owner pays for maintenance, the jury is still out on that. Just to be safe avoid any sidewalk directly adjoining UofM property.

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    If there's a group over 5, I'm in.

    I haz iPhone with GPS and google maps (with MSU boundaries).
    Call for a cop, call for an ambulance, and call for a pizza. See who shows up first.

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    been there, done that, i'm in again
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    i've OC downtown A2 a few times and no problems..even with my 10 and 12 year old nephews. i had a mccain/palin shirt on one time. i think that was more alarming to the left wing populus than a handgun. probably didn't even see it.
    isn't OC with a CPL legal and wouldn't matter where you were in ann arbor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kryptonian View Post
    isn't OC with a CPL legal and wouldn't matter where you were in ann arbor?
    U of M's ordinances aren't preempted.
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    Call for a cop, call for an ambulance, and call for a pizza. See who shows up first.

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    regardless of the U of M rules, they can only ask you to leave

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    WRONG! UofM (and other colleges) ordinances have the force of Law, violations can have real consequences, Jail time and/or fines, for example.

    Please, don't confuse the n00bs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AAMitch View Post
    I was out to shoot clays tonight and I heard talk . . .
    What was the exact quote from the PD? Who in the PD is the quote attributed to? Was the quote communicated in a memo, or spoken over a beer off-duty?

    Details, or it didn't happen.

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    what about the art fair? OC or not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kryptonian View Post
    what about the art fair? OC or not?
    Is it in the part of the map of Ann Arbor that is indicated to be U of M on google maps?
    Call for a cop, call for an ambulance, and call for a pizza. See who shows up first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheQ View Post
    Is it in the part of the map of Ann Arbor that is indicated to be U of M on google maps?
    Another example of how the internet helps to restore our rights. It is unbelievable. Think about it, how many of us would know today, that OC was legal without the internet. How many of us could print a map (or hold an electronic one in your hand, phone), so not to get arrested in AA. How many of us would know each other, to meet up and OC. I understand we do not have our RIGHTS completely back, and we are still only at the PRIVILEGE level. But the point is without the internet, we would be much farther behind than we are now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DanM View Post
    What was the exact quote from the PD? Who in the PD is the quote attributed to? Was the quote communicated in a memo, or spoken over a beer off-duty?
    This was a conversation between myself and a long time friend who is NOT apart of the AAPD. It was his discussion of OC, with an Ann Arbor officer. My friend gave me the impressoin that my day would be "screwed up" if they caught anyone OC downtown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AAMitch View Post
    This was a conversation between myself and a long time friend who is NOT apart of the AAPD. It was his discussion of OC, with an Ann Arbor officer. My friend gave me the impressoin that my day would be "screwed up" if they caught anyone OC downtown.
    An acquaintance of mine who is a friend of an Auburn Hills police officer asked the officer about OC. The officer told him he would immediately arrest an OC'er if he saw one in Auburn Hills. That was a couple of years ago. I've had a few contacts with AHPD since then, and AHPD has on-the-whole been professional and never done anything illegal.

    Cops sometimes lie and exaggerate about how they would respond to OC'ers. It seems that the ones who do so are trying to discourage it.
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    I agree with Danm. I work in a firearm store and I ask police officers what there opinion is of OC. I have gotten good responses and bad, most often they simply don't know the law (or lack thereof) and have the facts wrong. I was told by a police officer that the transport law does not cover OC. He believed that if you do not have a CPL that transporting your handgun to OC is not a legal reason to transport your pistol. I asked why he believed this and he said it wasn't on the list of "approved" reasons to transport. He also said that OC'ers are out for the attention it brings and that they will cause anyone who sees a "guy with a gun" to call 911. He said that OC is a sure way to cause trouble.

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