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Carry at World Arena?

Polynikes

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My family and I will be attending the circus at the Colorado Springs World Arena tomorrow. Anyone here have any experience as to what their carry rules may be? I know this is the same facility that hosts the Gun Show of the Rockies...

Both my wife and I would be carrying concealed, rules permitting.

Any information is greatly appreciated.
 
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Your guess is as good as mine.....likely CC will be just fine...but I don't know what the rules are (if I were to look them up, I'd be willing to bet that somewhere in there they prohibit firearms and weapons on the property)
 
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Kingfish said:
Cite please
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From the Adams County Sheriff's site:
CARRY RESTRICTIONS
A permit to carry a concealed handgun authorizes the permittee to carry a concealed handgun in all areas of the state except as specifically limited as follows:
1. A person may not carry a concealed handgun into a place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by Federal Law
2. A person may not carry a concealed handgun on to the real property, or into any improvements erected thereon, of a public elementary, middle, junior high or high school,
3. A person may not carry a concealed handgun into a public building at which security personnel and electronic weapons screening devices are permanently in place,
4. A person may not carry a concealed handgun where a private property owner, private tenant, private employer or private business entity disallow.
http://www.co.adams.co.us/sheriff/chp/CHP_info_packet.pdf

#4 would be applicable to this. I also remember my instructor telling us during my CCW class.

Sorry it took so long to reply. I just got off work.
 
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RandallFlagg said:
4. A person may not carry a concealed handgun where a private property owner, private tenant, private employer or private business entity disallow.
http://www.co.adams.co.us/sheriff/chp/CHP_info_packet.pdf

#4 would be applicable to this. I also remember my instructor telling us during my CCW class.

Sorry it took so long to reply. I just got off work.
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Please cite the LAW that makes not noticing or ignoring a sign a criminal offense. Not talking about being TOLD to leave but just not noticing or ignoring a sign.
 
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Kingfish said:
Please cite the LAW that makes not noticing or ignoring a sign a criminal offense. Not talking about being TOLD to leave but just not noticing or ignoring a sign.
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After attending last night, I can confirm that the entrances are all marked with a list of "Arena Policies," things like:

No Weapons
No Bottles or Containers
Shirt and Shoes required, etc. (Those were the ones I remember off hand.)

Pretty standard stuff, but I think that "No Weapons" is a bit vague, isn't it? There was no security at the entrances, just employees collecting tickets. They didn't even check the diaper bag we were bringing in for the kids. Inside, I saw a guy carrying a five foot walking stick with a carved knob on top, he walked right past event staff with it.

By the way, the circus was great this year. I highly recommend it to anyone who has a chance to go. :)
 
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Polynikes said:
After attending last night, I can confirm that the entrances are all marked with a list of "Arena Policies," things like:

No Weapons
No Bottles or Containers
Shirt and Shoes required, etc. (Those were the ones I remember off hand.)
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And if Randell is correct you should have been arrested for the baby bottle in the diaper bag.
 
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Trespass?

A similar question came up in a thread reporting a store in NC with a new gun buster sign on the door. It was about Open Carry not CC. Is it a violation to walk past a sign? It seems to fall under the same restriction as trespass. The discussion ended but I don't think it was agreed about the answer. There may be room for LEO's to attempt to charge for walking past a sign but the language for the trespass statute addresses "intruders" and is undefined. I was unable to find that it is a violation of NC law to walk past a no guns sign. I might not bet my bail money on it.
 
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18-4-504. Third degree criminal trespass.

(1) A person commits the crime of third degree criminal trespass if such person unlawfully enters or remains in or upon premises of another.

(2) Third degree criminal trespass is a class 1 petty offense, but:
(a) It is a class 3 misdemeanor if the premises have been classified by the county assessor for the county in which the land is situated as agricultural land pursuant to section 39-1-102 (1.6), C.R.S.; and
(b) It is a class 5 felony if the person trespasses on premises so classified as agricultural land with the intent to commit a felony thereon.
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http://www.michie.com/colorado/lpext.dll?f=templates&fn=main-h.htm&cp=
 
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This actually annoys me about arenas. We went to an event at one place and I checked the tickets and the entrances for "No weapons/firearms" notices. Seeing nothing I went ahead and CC'd. At the door they had a scanner to check tickets. The ticket taker asked to look in my wife's purse. She opened it, the taker glanced in it briefly and we were on our way.

"What were they looking for?" I mused aloud. My brother said "Shooters?" I said, "Well, missed that. In a manner of speaking." He joked, "Oh, no. Those are shootAHs."

Separately, we went to the U2 concert at Invesco and I went unarmed per a no weapons policy. I was less concerned about the concert than going to and from the car that we parked off the 16th St Mall. I did security at a U2 concert years ago, but pat downs were light, only checking hips and front pockets for glass containers.

As we approached, I was watching to see what security was like. There were a few of Denver's finest scattered about, but no pat downs. As we go through, the ticket scanner again asked to look in my wife's "purse". "SERIOUSLY??" I thought. Her "purse" was basically an ID container. It was barely big enough for a DL, credit card, and a couple of bills. Hell, if she put a chapstick in it, the thing would have trouble closing. WHAT do they think she was smuggling? And they again barely peeked in. Any nefarious substances in the bottom wouldn't have been seen. And here I am behind her, jeans with big pockets, bulky leather sportscoat, and I'm just waved through? Seriously?
 
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Kingfish said:
Please cite the LAW that makes not noticing or ignoring a sign a criminal offense. Not talking about being TOLD to leave but just not noticing or ignoring a sign.
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CRS 18-12-214
http://www.michie.com/colorado/lpex...d=7eb03db3.25b2fd0f.0.0&q=[Group '18-12-214']

(5) Nothing in this part 2 shall be construed to limit, restrict, or prohibit in any manner the existing rights of a private property owner, private tenant, private employer, or private business entity.

This means that it's up to the, "private property owner, private tenant, private employer, or private business entity" to make these rules for these places. Violations would result in a trespassing offense. If they ask you to leave, you must comply.

If you don't notice the sign or ignore it, I can't say. I only said that if there IS a sign, it must be followed according to CRS 18-12-214(5).
 
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Maybe

RandallFlagg said:
CRS 18-12-214
http://www.michie.com/colorado/lpex...d=7eb03db3.25b2fd0f.0.0&q=[Group '18-12-214']

(5) Nothing in this part 2 shall be construed to limit, restrict, or prohibit in any manner the existing rights of a private property owner, private tenant, private employer, or private business entity.

This means that it's up to the, "private property owner, private tenant, private employer, or private business entity" to make these rules for these places. Violations would result in a trespassing offense. If they ask you to leave, you must comply.

If you don't notice the sign or ignore it, I can't say. I only said that if there IS a sign, it must be followed according to CRS 18-12-214(5).
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Signs don't talk. Rules are not statutes. Where is the violation? A sign is a notice, but not an owner, tenant, employer or business. I only know the question. I don't know the answer. Yet. Thanks for the info.
 
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EricDailey X-NRA said:
Signs don't talk. Rules are not statutes. Where is the violation? A sign is a notice, but not an owner, tenant, employer or business. I only know the question. I don't know the answer. Yet. Thanks for the info.
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For example:
Someone wants to open a business. That person is responsible for everything to do with this business. If that person doesn't want any firearms in the business, the person must post a sign stating this at the entrance. If someone comes in with a firearm (CCW or OCW), not noticing or ignoring the sign posted (The sign being the rules laid out by the owner of the business), there is still no crime committed. If the business owner tells the entrant to leave and the entrant refuses, the violation is trespassing.

From what I understand of it all, it's to provide a kind of bumper between gun carrying people's rights and business owner's rights.

(Personally, if I owned a business, I would post signs reading, "FIREARMS OWNERS WELCOME! ANTI-GUN PEOPLE - NOT SO MUCH")
 
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RandallFlagg said:
If someone comes in with a firearm (CCW or OCW), not noticing or ignoring the sign posted (The sign being the rules laid out by the owner of the business), there is still no crime committed. If the business owner tells the entrant to leave and the entrant refuses, the violation is trespassing.
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This is correct but it is not what you said...



RandallFlagg said:
If there's a, "No Firearms," sign at the entrance, it must be adhered to.
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RandallFlagg said:
I said it, and thought I explained it in my last post.
Anyone going into a business as a consumer must follow the rules laid out by the business owner.
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Again...You are using the word "MUST". That is not correct. What you must do is obay a request to leave if asked. You do not have to follow "rules". Breaking a "rule" CAN get you asked to leave but so can wearing pink shoes on a Monday. Should I be jailed for wearing pink shoes on a Monday in spite of a sign saying I shan't? There is no law against wearing pink shoes on a Monday despite a sign nor is there a law saying if I don't notice a sign, I am guilty of trespass absent being asked to leave.
 
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