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    Thumbs up Here is free training that meets the letter of the proposed law

    Thanks to MKEGal, here it is:

    http://www.mdgunsafety.com/

    It is free, takes less than 30 minutes, no test and when you are done, you print out a certificate. I did it for the heck of it and if you can click 'next', you will do fine.

    This is offered by the Maryland State Police so it falls under 'training offered by police agency'.

    Let's publish this everywhere so the trainers that pushed for mandatory training don't get a DIME!

    ** DISCLAIMER ** I support voluntary training, just not government mandates.

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    I completed it for the heck of it as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paul@paul-fisher.com View Post
    Thanks to MKEGal, here it is:

    http://www.mdgunsafety.com/

    It is free, takes less than 30 minutes, no test and when you are done, you print out a certificate. I did it for the heck of it and if you can click 'next', you will do fine.

    This is offered by the Maryland State Police so it falls under 'training offered by police agency'.

    Let's publish this everywhere so the trainers that pushed for mandatory training don't get a DIME!

    ** DISCLAIMER ** I support voluntary training, just not government mandates.

    Shhhhhhh!!

    The law hasn't been enacted YET!

    Some bozo legislator (sorry about the redundancy) may add an amendment to exclude "MD training". ;-)

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    I'll still wait for the Wiscarry endorsed program. no rush.

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    Done!!

    I passed! Yippee

    McX should not look at this "program" There are many pictures of 1911s and other nice looking handguns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phred View Post
    I passed! Yippee

    McX should not look at this "program" There are many pictures of 1911s and other nice looking handguns.
    something tells me this show starts with: this is a gun, dont look down this end.............


    added; be patient, WisCarry will come down from the mountain, with the tablets inscribed with what we need. let my people go.
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    I was a little concerned looking at that site. Maybe just being that "IT guy" but I couldn't help but notice it was not a secure site. You are entering your information like DL, and complete address....

    Just sayin.

    Any of you guys sending the registration into Maryland PD?

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    Quote Originally Posted by McX View Post
    something tells me this show starts with: this is a gun, dont look down this end.............


    added; be patient, WisCarry will come down from the mountain, with the tablets inscribed with what we need. let my people go.
    Did you get your Utah permit with the yellow cat from Utah?
    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...-the-M-4/page5

    The Utah permit would be proof of training to satisfy the Wisconsin training requirement.

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    yes, your taking all the fun out of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McX View Post
    yes, your taking all the fun out of this.
    Silly Rabbit

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    Quote Originally Posted by phred View Post
    Silly Rabbit
    everyone knows...........permits are for kids.

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    The legislators aren't listening to us now... why should they change their oh-so-wonderful bill because we found training that fits their definition?

    There's also a provision for training provided by instructors certified by a state or national group. It's worded so loosely that WCI would qualify. Maybe we should make our own curriculum & standards for instructors?

    Then there are the requirements for being a DOJ certified instructor:
    1) be eligible for a WI cc permit
    2) demonstrate ability to teach safe gun handling
    [may not be the exact words, but that's pretty much it]
    Heck, I can do that.

    I've said it before & will say it many more times:
    Training is good.
    More training is better.
    Gov't-mandated training is bad.

    In order to get a WI permit, do the minimum they'll accept.
    Free online works for me.
    Then go get real training.
    I hear Calico Jack is coming to town (SE WI) soon...
    [http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...-9th-and-10th]

    Quote Originally Posted by paul
    Let's publish this everywhere so the trainers that pushed for mandatory training don't get a DIME!
    + 1,000,000
    But I kinda agree on the caution part... once it's signed into law, it will be harder for them to screw it up.
    Last edited by MKEgal; 06-12-2011 at 02:27 AM.

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    It's worded so loosely that WCI would qualify.....................works for me. show them my WisCarry sticker?

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    I did have some fun Flash animations where you got to pull the trigger and hammers back on SA revolvers. Also I'm glad I don't live in Maryland after doing that course.

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    You are entering your information like DL, and complete address...
    Any of you guys sending the registration into Maryland PD?
    I didn't have my DL handy, so entered WI 123456789 & it took it.
    If I send it in, I'll write in the real #.
    Haven't decided if I will or not, though there's no real reason not to other than saving a stamp.

    It would be interesting to apply for a WI permit using that proof of training, to make sure they're following the law.
    Then if there's a problem, send copies of the other training & permits I have, & complain to high heaven.
    As Paul pointed out, it's training provided by a law enforcement agency...

    Quote Originally Posted by cheeseburger
    It's worded so loosely that WCI would qualify
    I meant as an agency that trains instructors.
    They don't say anything about how the DOJ would determine if that agency were qualified to train instructors, or what has to be included in the curriculum.
    Last edited by MKEgal; 06-10-2011 at 06:27 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vandil View Post
    I did have some fun Flash animations where you got to pull the trigger and hammers back on SA revolvers. Also I'm glad I don't live in Maryland after doing that course.
    The SA Revolver never ran out of ammo. I want one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mliederbach View Post
    The SA Revolver never ran out of ammo. I want one.
    Adrian Barbeau never ran out of ammo, i want one.

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    I don't need no training. I done had my training in 1983.
    In God I trust. Everyone else needs to keep your hands where I can see them.

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    Maybe I can video record the safety brief before our IDPA match tomorrow and post it for "safety training". Free for all of us, politicians must pay WI Carry $1000 each to use it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus View Post
    Maybe I can video record the safety brief before our IDPA match tomorrow and post it for "safety training". Free for all of us, politicians must pay WI Carry $1000 each to use it
    bitchin, i'm online and ready to log in now!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MKEgal View Post
    The legislators aren't listening to us now... why should they change their oh-so-wonderful bill because we found training that fits their definition?

    There's also a provision for training provided by instructors certified by a state or national group. It's worded so loosely that WCI would qualify. Maybe we should make our own curriculum & standards for instructors?

    Then there are the requirements for being a DOJ certified instructor:
    1) be eligible for a WI cc permit
    2) demonstrate ability to teach safe gun handling
    [may not be the exact words, but that's pretty much it]
    Heck, I can do that.

    I've said it before & will say it many more times:
    Training is good.
    More training is better.
    Gov't-mandated training is bad.

    In order to get a WI permit, do the minimum they'll accept.
    Free online works for me.
    Then go get real training.
    I hear Calico Jack is coming to town (SE WI) soon...


    + 1,000,000
    But I kinda agree on the caution part... once it's signed into law, it will be harder for them to screw it up.
    Wow... Believe half of what you hear and less of what you read....

    We are in the early stages of planning a visit by C.Jack for him to offer (probably) a weekend class. I am checking out ranges in the area and will know more early next week. Nothing is for sure, we are going to try our best to make this happen.. Time frame depends on when Jack can get away in relation to range availablity....

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    Quote Originally Posted by McX View Post
    I'll still wait for the Wiscarry endorsed program. no rush.
    You mean state-certified WCI Basic Handgun Safety Instructors. right?

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    As I Asked Mr. Hardballer,

    Do You Have Authoritative Confirmation that this course qualifies? Or are you making your best guess? It appears that instructors must be certified by DOJ. This also implies that there is an instructor. Doesn't hurt to take the course but I wouldn't rely on it being accepted and suggest that another means be utilized (instead of or in addition to the MD course).

    Quote Originally Posted by paul@paul-fisher.com View Post
    Thanks to MKEGal, here it is:

    http://www.mdgunsafety.com/

    It is free, takes less than 30 minutes, no test and when you are done, you print out a certificate. I did it for the heck of it and if you can click 'next', you will do fine.

    This is offered by the Maryland State Police so it falls under 'training offered by police agency'.

    Let's publish this everywhere so the trainers that pushed for mandatory training don't get a DIME!

    ** DISCLAIMER ** I support voluntary training, just not government mandates.

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    If You Really Want to Do It

    Note that the registration form for the MD course does not REQUIRE you D.L. number. You should also consider if you are ever likely to be driving through Maryland (not a gun-friendly state). You get stopped for going 66 in a 65.

    LEO#1: Hey Bruce this bird we stopped took our regulated (i.e. handgun) firearms course online.
    LEO#2: He must of had a reason. He's probably packing heat.
    LEO#1: Well, he is from Wisconsin. Sounds like reasonable, articulable suspicion to me.
    LEO#2: Ok, you tear his car apart. I'll get the body cavity search authorization.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apjonas View Post
    Do You Have Authoritative Confirmation that this course qualifies? Or are you making your best guess?
    Until we get the actual wording of the passed bill, it is a best guess. As I've told many others, don't do anything that costs you money or that you assume will work until the bill is signed by the Governor.

    Since this was free and I wanted to see how it worked, I did it.

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