Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, Over?
... a neat driveway and a few other things.
I'm going to wait for him to tell his story before making any snarky comments, but - seriously, dude! How many times do we gotta go over the ground rules before you get them right?
Putting your gun away when there's an armed stranger in your house who has an argumentative, demanding attitude?
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, Over?
"If I know that I am headed for a fight, I want something larger with more power, preferably crew-served.
However, like most of us, as I go through my daily life, I carry something a bit more compact, with a lot less power."
Remington 1911 R1 (Back to Basics)
SERPA retention or concealed...
"Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~Thomas Jefferson
(Borrowed from "The Perfect Day" by LTC Dave Grossman)
Brother RiverRat had something happen that he promised to post about. Promises were made to post snarky comments about it - even in advance of his posting of the details. Some promises have been kept. Some promises are still to be kept.
stay tuned to see if details are forthcoming from Brother RiverRat.
Halfway through the conversation, I secured my firearm somewhere else in my house.
In hindsight, it was kinda dumb.
I indicated that I would provide any needed info. The officer essentially demanded a picture ID in order to take the report. My wife got mad and provided hers to my objections. The officer never asked me for any ID info again.
That's funny because I've never been asked for my ID by police. Its always been a demand for ID. Even when it was supposedly only being "requested", my refusal uncovered pretty quick that the "request" was really just a covert demand. They had no intention of letting me actually make my own decision and then respect that.Asking is not a demand, police can ask you anything. It's much easier and more accurate to provide a license to a Leo to file a report. I'm sure he could find that information without you anyway. Police ask for licenses because most people use that as identification and have it readily available.
RiverRat's report somewhat parallels this. He was "asked" repeatedly. Huh? I suppose he politely declined. But, then why was he asked again and again (for however many repeatedlys there were)?
Its pretty apparent the police were not willing to respect his right as a free man to not to show his papers.
Last edited by Citizen; 06-12-2011 at 09:40 PM.
Just like my incident where my WIFE's car was vandalized and I was talking to the cop as was she, and he said he couldn't FILE a report unless I gave him MY Social Security number. I was in my bare feet and a pair of shorts, standing on my sidewalk, and I probably co-signed on the load for her car, but it was in her name.
We ended up not being able to file a report. I called it in to the sgt the next morning and he says 'It's not mandatory, just tell the officer you'd rather not for privacy reasons'. I replied "I did do that repeatedly and officer (can't recall now) wouldn't do the report". He didn't agree to fix it (the sgt) just told me next time to say that. Sheesh, big help.
Last edited by Citizen; 06-13-2011 at 01:28 AM.
Um, I failed to mention this was about 8-10 years ago.
Like torture. Passive-aggressive torture.
The quiet war has begun, with silent weapons
And the newest slavery is to keep the people poor, and stupid
Novos ordo seclorum ~ Mustaine
Never argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
Funny thing about the databases Department's keep. The information keeps expanding and they are not subject to the same oversight as things like credit files...mostly because many departments don't admit to keeping them
It slips out sometimes though
My dept does maintain a database of everyone who is ID'ed to include personal info, friends, description, etc. That database not only helps catch criminals but also helps to contact them if thy are a victim or other issues. And to be honest, most people provide ID upon request because I am respectful and almost always I can find out their info anyway if they refuse (run tags, address, other officers might know them,etc) and I can still take a picture of them if I believe it's necessary.
Officer, I do not know where you think your ability to demand my information comes from. This is my Freedom of Information Request: Please provide me a copy of the written procedure.......(you know the routine)
Of course you will have to give your name and address to have a valid FOIA request, but now the "I make the rules" cop will have to report the FOIA request to his supervisors and explain what happened to them. Lots of paperwork involved in a FOIA request. PITA for the supervisor.
Just my 2 cents
He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty
The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us....There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! ...The war is inevitable–and let it come! I repeat it, Sir, let it come …………. PATRICK HENRY speech 1776
Last edited by 2a4all; 07-02-2011 at 09:11 PM.
A law-abiding citizen should be able to carry his personal protection firearm anywhere that an armed criminal might go.
Member VCDL, NRA
As far as I know, the recipient of a FOIA need only refer you to the custodian of the requested record(s) if he himself is not the custodian of the requested record(s).
Ah, here it is, 2.2-3704.B.3:
...However, if the public body that received the request knows that another public body has the requested records, the response shall include contact information for the other public body.
Not exactly what I was thinking, but I got $5 that says the cop can get away with telling you to contact (whoever handles FOIA requests in their department.)