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    Importance of Primaries

    Let's all dedicate ourselves to supporting 2nd amendment politicians in the PRIMARIES. This is where we can make solid headway. Ask those running their position on open carrying, the castle doctrine, etc. Support those who believe in our constitution, and make sure to bring a friend to vote with you. If we all did this, we would win every single election, bar none. By the way, I am talking Federal, State, County, and Local elections.

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    The ship has sailed folks. The right doesnt have anyone who is electable. The only one who might have a chance, is Mitt, but he has signed an assault weapons bill in his own state, and Obama is waiting for his re election for his.

    Buy your guns and mags now, while you can. You would do well to leave them loaded, and unlocked while you're home as well.

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    Republicans have Mitt, but let's get real here, Mitt is LDS, and will not be voted for by many so-called 'social Conservatives' (Christians).

    President Obama will win in 2012. I will most likely not be showing up to the voting booth in 2012.
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    I think you're right, this country is Fu****
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    Republicans have Mitt, but let's get real here, Mitt is LDS, and will not be voted for by many so-called 'social Conservatives' (Christians).

    President Obama will win in 2012. I will most likely not be showing up to the voting booth in 2012.

    Ummm... If you vote against him, he may still win. If you don't vote at all there is nothing stopping him.

    Please don't let a majority of voters (a minority of the overall population) speak for you. If you don't like the direction the country is headed, vote for a new direction. If you don't want to vote, GTFO or quit complaining.

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    She supports this guy. Some people cant see the glass door they walked into.

    Those of us who saw them walk into it, still find it quite amusing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stainless1911 View Post
    She supports this guy. Some people cant see the glass door they walked into.

    Those of us who saw them walk into it, still find it quite amusing.
    It's great that she supports him. However, she stated she most likely will not vote. Either exercise your right to vote, or don't complain when the other side does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcdonalk View Post
    Ummm... If you vote against him, he may still win. If you don't vote at all there is nothing stopping him.
    The alternative is a Republican, so, different side of the same coin.

    Please don't let a majority of voters (a minority of the overall population) speak for you.
    So you are stating that the majority of voters voted for Obama. I agree.

    If you don't like the direction the country is headed, vote for a new direction. If you don't want to vote, GTFO or quit complaining.
    First, I am an American, not a political party. Second, voting for a new direction? What direction would that be? No thanks.
    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by stainless1911 View Post
    She supports this guy. Some people cant see the glass door they walked into.

    Those of us who saw them walk into it, still find it quite amusing.

    I am well aware of Obama, and how he is, prior to my vote I cast for him in 2008. As I stated before, I weighed what Obama would like to do when it comes to some things -Second Amendment issues- and what he can do. He could not do anything as far as I was concerned, so I voted for him.
    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    OIC. I thought you were saying you supported Romney. Now it makes much more sense. (The topic, not the supporting Obama :P )

    But in all seriousness, if you voted for Obama and you're happy with the direction the country is going, then vote for him again. Don't just assume he will win because someone else will vote for you. Personally, you couldn't pay me to vote for Obama. The only campaign promise he made that I agreed with 100% was getting the Patriot Act repealed. How did that turn out? Oh. Right.

    As far as the majority comment, yes. A majority of voters (voters being a minority of the population as a whole) voted for Obama. 100% of us are stuck with a decision ~25% of us made.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcdonalk View Post
    OIC. I thought you were saying you supported Romney. Now it makes much more sense. (The topic, not the supporting Obama :P )

    But in all seriousness, if you voted for Obama and you're happy with the direction the country is going, then vote for him again. Don't just assume he will win because someone else will vote for you. Personally, you couldn't pay me to vote for Obama. The only campaign promise he made that I agreed with 100% was getting the Patriot Act repealed. How did that turn out? Oh. Right.

    As far as the majority comment, yes. A majority of voters (voters being a minority of the population as a whole) voted for Obama. 100% of us are stuck with a decision ~25% of us made.
    I would not be voting for Obama because of things he said he would do, but rather because of the things he did not follow through with vigorously. Personally, I am not a one-issue voter, or person. My absent vote makes just as much a statement as my vote, especially these days when the party in Office, no matter the side, is less than desirable.

    With regard to the Patriot Act, look at the "Yea" votes, most of them are Republicans. You think a Republican President would be any different, huh, ok.

    There were about 132 *correction* million voters in 2008, one of the highest percentage per capita turnout historically, and the largest number ever (if I remember right). According to Wiki: "169 million registered - 86 million democrat - 55 million republican - 28 million others registered. During the 2008 presidential election, there were 132,645,504 total voters out of an eligible voting age population of 212,702,354, which gives you a 62.4% participation rate" (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_r...#ixzz1P8BpCjfH
    ( http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_r...#ixzz1P89WiAvZ ).
    If people don't like the outcome of elections then they should vote, or consciously not vote. I am merely considering not voting because the outcome, no matter the side, is not worth the 4 buck a gallon gas I would spend burning in my 400 c.i. 1978 GMC Suburban to drive to the booth, and cast my vote.

    I am more Democrat than anything, but I have to admit that I have always been rather self-conscious about the weak way they go about pushing their agenda. I hate so-called "bleeding heart liberals." A Democrat could learn a lot politically from a Republican in the agenda pushing department.
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    Clinton ruined the respect for the office. He was the first president where parents of little boys stopped hoping thier kid would grow up to be president.

    Bush killed the constitution, and opened the door for .gov fascism, and socialist rule.

    Obama kept toward that direction, and spent the rest of our money.

    "Democrats and Republicans are just two sides of the same filthy coin."

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    Im not a one issue voter either, just a few. God, guns, country, family, military, anti prohibition, pro life, and aid to the poor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stainless1911 View Post
    Im not a one issue voter either, just a few. God, guns, country, family, military, anti prohibition, pro life, and aid to the poor.
    Well, Obama is pro God (well, he believes is A God), family, military (increase presence in Afghanistan), and aid to the poor (not as much as I would have liked). I have seen him consuming alcohol so I am guessing he is anti prohibition.

    And you thought you were nothing like Obama

    Most of these dumba$$es are not Democrat or Republican, they are the System.
    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    Im not against everything he does. For instance, he did raise my personal food stamps to 200$/mo. That's almost enough for a skinny 35 year old single male. Not quite enough, but I truly appreciate it.

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    Lmao

    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    Well, Obama is pro God (well, he believes is A God), family, military (increase presence in Afghanistan), and aid to the poor (not as much as I would have liked). I have seen him consuming alcohol so I am guessing he is anti prohibition.

    And you thought you were nothing like Obama

    Most of these dumba$$es are not Democrat or Republican, they are the System.
    BHO doesn't believe in a God He believes he is GOD and he knows better than any of us, what we need. You might as well change your name to Barette Lady, because if he has his way, future generations won't even know what a Beretta92 is. He wanted to remove the troops from Iraq and Afghanistan till he realised that if he spread the troops thin and cut the military budget it worked into his plan to weaken the USA bringing us that much closer to destruction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    My absent vote makes just as much a statement as my vote, especially these days when the party in Office, no matter the side, is less than desirable.
    I disagree. If you refuse to be part of the sample, you skew the results. Maybe you're just one person, but you're not the only one who is going to 'vote by not voting'.

    With regard to the Patriot Act, look at the "Yea" votes, most of them are Republicans. You think a Republican President would be any different, huh, ok.
    Oh, trust me. Both of my representatives are getting pink slips from me, and for more than just the Patriot Act. I was just hoping "Oh well, he got elected after all. At least he'll veto the Patriot Act renewal."

    Election Statistics
    But you say yourself that was just one election, and just for president. I realize the presidential election is the one most people care about, but it also has the least direct impact on our lives. As you've said, there's a lot he wants to do but can't. I'm more concerned about the number of people who are going to forgo casting a vote in their local, state, and Congressional elections because they don't like who's on the ticket for President.

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    What about the original thread?

    Importance of Primaries
    Let's all dedicate ourselves to supporting 2nd amendment politicians in the PRIMARIES. This is where we can make solid headway. Ask those running their position on open carrying, the castle doctrine, etc. Support those who believe in our constitution, and make sure to bring a friend to vote with you. If we all did this, we would win every single election, bar none. By the way, I am talking Federal, State, County, and Local elections.
    How can replies to this thread get so off track so fast? I suggested that we vote in the primaries (all of them - Federal, State, County, and Local.) After our candidate wins the primary, I then said we should vote in the general election and to bring along one other person. There is no way we would lose. The presidency is important, but so are members of the House and Senate, State Governors and State Legislatures, County ooofffaaahhh!!!! etc. Let's get productive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    Well, Obama is pro God (well, he believes is A God)...

    The only "gods" that ANY of the last 8 Presidents have believed in are the self-proclaimed "gods" who put them in office, many of whom were cavorting in St. Moritz, Switzerland last weekend...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamer View Post
    The only "gods" that ANY of the last 8 Presidents have believed in are the self-proclaimed "gods" who put them in office, many of whom were cavorting in St. Moritz, Switzerland last weekend...



    Quote Originally Posted by fjpro2a View Post
    Let's all dedicate ourselves to supporting 2nd amendment politicians in the PRIMARIES. This is where we can make solid headway. Ask those running their position on open carrying, the castle doctrine, etc. Support those who believe in our constitution, and make sure to bring a friend to vote with you. If we all did this, we would win every single election, bar none. By the way, I am talking Federal, State, County, and Local elections.
    I hate to say it, but the 2A issue is not of paramount importance to me in this cycle. As long as the current POTUS is replaced, and it could be Kucinich for all I care, I'll be happier. Mitt is my last choice for the nomination, way too much of a pinko IMO. Even if he takes the oval office, the chances of any anti-gun bills making it through congress right now are so marginal that it's not even a concern. Harry Reid comes from a staunchly pro 2A state, and values his income too much to allow it. If he's still the Senate Majority Leader (I think that's unlikely) in 2012, he won't allow anti-gun bills on the floor, and I'd darn sure hope all the rebukes that are left in congress know better than to mess with guns.

    The much bigger issues we face are getting the EPA reigned in, getting criminal illegals out, the border sealed, slashing welfare spending, repealing Obarfocare, and lowering taxes on business. I don't see any republican who doesn't advocate these policies as being worth voting for. Herman Cain (so far) is my guy. He's not beholden to the political class, and seems to have a single minded vision of restoring the free market economy that put us on top of the food chain in the first place.

    That's just my 2 cents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fjpro2a View Post
    How can replies to this thread get so off track so fast?...
    Pet political theories.

    I vote in the primaries. And respect for rights (all of them, not just the 2A) is a prime motivator in my selection.

    Folks who don't like the candidates for either party bear much of the blame for that situation by not voting in the primaries. We have a LOT of good folks (none of them perfectly in tune with me) running for president this time.

    Folks, get out and vote for the one who best represents your POV or, excuse me for feeling the need to say this, shut up. I ain't the least bit interested in the political ideas of folks who don't vote.

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    I can solve the immigration problem.

    first, take anyone speaking english as a second language to the border and give them a swift kick in the @$$ on the way out. Second, do the same with any gang members, third, do the same with anyone that cant prove citizenship, fourth, do the same with americans who do not honor freedoms, and finally, give folks a job to sit up on that border wall with a rifle, and let them open up on anyone trying to cross into our side.

    I would take that job in a second.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stainless1911 View Post
    I can solve the immigration problem.

    first, take anyone speaking english as a second language to the border and give them a swift kick in the @$$ on the way out.
    Agreed.

    Second, do the same with any gang members,

    Agreed.

    third, do the same with anyone that cant prove citizenship,
    Agreed.

    fourth, do the same with americans who do not honor freedoms,
    Depends on what the hell "honor freedoms" is supposed to mean. You must be using some broken-English Palinphonics.

    and finally, give folks a job to sit up on that border wall with a rifle, and let them open up on anyone trying to cross into our side.

    I would take that job in a second.

    Agreed.
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    fourth = TSA, anti, people who arrest those who wish to dance, those who do not honor thier oaths, censors, those types of folks, and prolly a few more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    Republicans have Mitt, but let's get real here, Mitt is LDS, and will not be voted for by many so-called 'social Conservatives' (Christians).
    Exactly why primaries are so important. Mitt is NOT a conservative and he is NOT pro-gun! So far, the best option on the Republican side is Michelle.

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