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    Logan Act...

    The Logan Act
    18 U.S.C.A. § 953 [1948]

    " Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

    This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply, himself or his agent, to any foreign government or the agents thereof for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects."

    So the question is when are the following people going to be charged with violating this act:


    • Alexander, Keith B., Commander, USCYBERCOM; Director, National Security Agency
    • Altman, Roger C., Chairman, Evercore Partners Inc.
    • Bezos, Jeff, Founder and CEO, Amazon.com
    • Collins, Timothy C., CEO, Ripplewood Holdings, LLC
    • Feldstein, Martin S., George F. Baker Professor of Economics, Harvard University
    • Hoffman, Reid, Co-founder and Executive Chairman, LinkedIn
    • Hughes, Chris R., Co-founder, Facebook
    • Jacobs, Kenneth M., Chairman & CEO, Lazard
    • Johnson, James A., Vice Chairman, Perseus, LLC
    • Jordan, Jr., Vernon E., Senior Managing Director, Lazard Frères & Co. LLC
    • Keane, John M., Senior Partner, SCP Partners; General, US Army, Retired
    • Kissinger, Henry A., Chairman, Kissinger Associates, Inc.
    • Kleinfeld, Klaus, Chairman and CEO, Alcoa
    • Kravis, Henry R., Co-Chairman and co-CEO, Kohlberg Kravis, Roberts & Co.
    • Kravis, Marie-Josée, Senior Fellow, Hudson Institute, Inc.
    • Li, Cheng, Senior Fellow and Director of Research, John L. Thornton China Center, Brookings Institution
    • Mundie, Craig J., Chief Research and Strategy Officer, Microsoft Corporation
    • Orszag, Peter R., Vice Chairman, Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.
    • Perle, Richard N., Resident Fellow, American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research
    • Rockefeller, David, Former Chairman, Chase Manhattan Bank
    • Rose, Charlie, Executive Editor and Anchor, Charlie Rose
    • Rubin, Robert E., Co-Chairman, Council on Foreign Relations; Former Secretary of the Treasury
    • Schmidt, Eric, Executive Chairman, Google Inc.
    • Steinberg, James B., Deputy Secretary of State
    • Thiel, Peter A., President, Clarium Capital Management, LLC
    • Varney, Christine A., Assistant Attorney General for Antitrust
    • Vaupel, James W., Founding Director, Max Planck Institute for Demographic Research
    • Warsh, Kevin, Former Governor, Federal Reserve Board
    • Wolfensohn, James D., Chairman, Wolfensohn & Company, LLC


    • Gates, Bill, Former Microsoft CEO, Head of the Gates Foundation
    • Gates, Robert, US Secretary of Defense


    Especially the ones in bold, who are officers of the US Government, and should know better...
    It is our cause to dispel the foggy thinking which avoids hard decisions in the delusion that a world of conflict will somehow mysteriously resolve itself into a world of harmony, if we just don't rock the boat or irritate the forces of aggression—and this is hogwash."
    --Barry Goldwater, 1964

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    I think your list forgot:

    Carter, Jimmy
    Jackson, Jesse

    Among many others who have engaged in "unauthorized" international communication.

    No, I don't think such speech should be illegal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KBCraig View Post
    I think your list forgot:

    Carter, Jimmy
    Jackson, Jesse

    Among many others who have engaged in "unauthorized" international communication.

    No, I don't think such speech should be illegal.

    Actually, I was just talking about last weekend...
    It is our cause to dispel the foggy thinking which avoids hard decisions in the delusion that a world of conflict will somehow mysteriously resolve itself into a world of harmony, if we just don't rock the boat or irritate the forces of aggression—and this is hogwash."
    --Barry Goldwater, 1964

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    The Logan Act
    18 U.S.C.A. § 953 [1948]
    " Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

    This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply, himself or his agent, to any foreign government or the agents thereof for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects."
    I wonder how many people realize that, as written, this applies to every single one of the tens of millions of Americans who have criticized our government on any and all message forums open to folks outside the United States of America, provided at least one of their posts have been read by a "foreign government or any officer or agent thereof."

    So much for the 1st Amendment...

    By the way, I wrote my Congressman. How about you?
    Last edited by since9; 06-21-2011 at 08:32 PM.
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