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Man found with gun, package near Pentagon

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user said:
Depends on how near the p'gon he was - if he was within the bounds of the federal reservation or in that area that's part of DC, it's a federal or d.c. crime to be in possession of the gun. That's one place where the parking lot is off limits to gun totin' folks. Though it can be gotten around by pleading guilty to a "civil violation" and paying $1,000 to the USDC Magistrate Judge in Alexandria.
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What Federal Crime is it to have a firearm on a federal reservation?
 
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Depends on how near the p'gon he was - if he was within the bounds of the federal reservation or in that area that's part of DC, it's a federal or d.c. crime to be in possession of the gun. That's one place where the parking lot is off limits to gun totin' folks. Though it can be gotten around by pleading guilty to a "civil violation" and paying $1,000 to the USDC Magistrate Judge in Alexandria.
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Of all the people on OCDO, I would think that YOU of all people would know that there is NO part of VA that is "part of DC"--even the Pentagon.

The only time that DC has controlled property in VA where DC rules would apply was when the DC Jail was operational in Lorton VA, but that has been closed for years...
 
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SNIP What I want to know is, what exactly was it that made the package "suspicious-looking"?
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The same thing that makes furtive any body movement in the vicinity of a cop--LE prejudice, attitude, pre-conceived ideas, looking for an excuse, and refusal to exercise judgement.

Oh, and maybe--just maybe--the occasional need to make up something after the fact to justify the intrusion. But, that's just remote possibility. Rarely happens. Totally isolated incident when it occurs, if it ever does occur. So rare its hardly worth mentioning. I only bring it up to be academically thorough.
 
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Dreamer said:
Of all the people on OCDO, I would think that YOU of all people would know that there is NO part of VA that is "part of DC"--...
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Ok, I could have phrased it better - but part of the land on this side of The Great Water is "in" the Federal District of Washington. There's a stretch of land that the G.W. Parkway goes through N. of Alexandria and S. of the interchange with Rt. 50 that is not "in" Virginia. Actually, most of what's now Arlington Co. used to be the Southern part of the Federal District. But they gave it back. Guilt-ridden for what they did to the Custis-Lee Mansion, I suppose.
 
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Stafford_1911 said:
In the specific case of the Pentagon that would be 32 CFR 234.10.
http://law.justia.com/cfr/title32/32-2.1.1.1.27.html#32:2.1.1.1.27.0.1.19
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Is it just me, or are there so many things wrong with this that it just doesn't make sense? Violation of a "regulation" that preempts protection provided by the Bill of Rights, and over-reaches existing federal statute (can't carry in federal buildings but on the Pentagon "reservation" you can't even have a gun) results in a federal offense. Never mind that the roads around the Pentagon are publicly accessible (and one could easily end up on the wrong one without intention).

I must admit I've never tried to untwist this knot.
 
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roscoe13 said:
Self defense fits as other lawful purposes....

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In light of the recent Supreme Court rulings I most defiantly agree as it relates to 18 USC 930 D 3. However, as skidmark stated I would not like to bet my livelihood on that argument.

The way I read the Pentagon regs the other lawful purposes does not apply to us serfs, just to other federal agencies or DOD components.

How did we ever get to the point when arbitrary regulations hold the same weight as law?
 
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