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    Ok, newbie here, question about open carry from another state.....

    I live in kansas, am planning a trip to yelowstone. I know I cannot conceal a weapon, but can I openly carry if I am from out of state? If I cannot in the state, I believe I cannot in the park either......am I wrong? Can I open carry in the state?

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    oh, ANYONE ever open carry a rifle in yellowstone? 60% of the reason I am going to carry if allowed is due to criminals......the other 40% are the animals.

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    From this thread: http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...ational-Forest.

    Is this:

    http://www.nps.gov/yell/parkmgmt/lawsandpolicies.htm

    Which says:

    FIREARMS IN PARKS

    As of February 22, 2010, a new federal law allows people who can legally possess firearms under applicable federal, state, and local laws, to legally possess firearms in this park.

    The Credit Card Accountability Responsibility and Disclosure Act of 2009, was enacted May 22, 2009 and will become effective February 22, 2010. Section 512 of this law; Protecting Americans from Violent Crimes, supersedes the uniform treatment of firearm possession in the national park system outside Alaska under the regulations found at 36 C.F.R. 2.4.

    It is the responsibility of visitors to understand and comply with all applicable state, local, and federal firearms laws before entering this park. Yellowstone encompasses parts of Wyoming, Montana, and Idaho. Each state has different regulations and these are listed below.

    Federal law also prohibits firearms in certain facilities in this park (such as visitor centers, government offices, etc.); those places are marked with signs at all public entrances. Hunting and discharge of firearms remain prohibited in Yellowstone National Park.

    Firearms should not be considered a wildlife protection strategy. Bear spray and other safety precautions are the proven methods for preventing bear and other wildlife interactions.
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    but again, does not make clear if non-residents (i.e., visitors) can open carry in the state, and thus park.

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    going to call the state attorney general and ask, to get clear info. It seems the state statute is not crystal clear......

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    Quote Originally Posted by ruskiegunlover View Post
    but again, does not make clear if non-residents (i.e., visitors) can open carry in the state, and thus park.
    " a new federal law allows people who can legally possess firearms under applicable federal, state, and local laws, to legally possess firearms in this park"

    The link I provided does present state laws. OC is legal in the Yellowstone states. That isn't "OC for state residents." It is "OC."
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    Quote Originally Posted by ruskiegunlover View Post
    going to call the state attorney general and ask, to get clear info. It seems the state statute is not crystal clear......
    How so? What state statute are you referencing, and what does it state?

    Statute makes actions illegal. Does statute make it illegal for a non-resident to carry? If not, it is de-facto legal.


    Unless a state statute defines something like "non-residents of [state] may not open carry," it is not illegal for non-residents to open carry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ruskiegunlover View Post
    going to call the state attorney general and ask, to get clear info. It seems the state statute is not crystal clear......
    The AG office does not give legal advice.

    The answer to your question has been provided in posts preceding: OC is legal for all non-excluded (felons etc).
    http://www.opencarry.org/wy.html

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    Question Have you gone yet?

    @ruskiegunlover -

    I'm planning a Yellowstone trip also. Wondered if you had gone yet, and if so what you may have encountered if you OC'd.

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by tkdkerry View Post
    @ruskiegunlover -

    I'm planning a Yellowstone trip also. Wondered if you had gone yet, and if so what you may have encountered if you OC'd.

    Thanks
    Many have visited Yellowstone and other NPS land with no reported problems. Enjoy.
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    The Grand Tetons and Yellowstone are great!

    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Many have visited Yellowstone and other NPS land with no reported problems. Enjoy.
    Hey Grapeshot,

    You are correct about no problems. Four of us just returned from The Grand Tetons and Yellowstone. We hiked 26 miles in Grizz country and had more trouble with Sierra Club of Wyoming and one off-duty fish and wildlife employee, or grantee, than anything else.

    The tree huggers were shagrined, which made us happy. They were very nice while they brow-beat us; nonetheless, they did brow-beat us. We kept a pleasant and jovial demeanor with these religous nuts and they soon were bored with us as they could not provoke a verbal confrontation.

    The three NPS rangers that communicated with us while on the trail were very professional and totally ignored our model 629-6 and model 28. Also, we were sporting bear spray.

    Big Animal count confirmed:

    Herds of elk.
    10 moose.
    Lots of pronghorn.
    Quite a few mule deer.
    Many Bison.
    7 grizzlies.
    1 black bear.
    8 bighorn sheep

    Big animals not confirmed:

    One grizzly passed behind our group on the trail, and was seen by hikers who were behind us.

    Many people were curious about the legality of open carry on NPS controlled property. I was armed with memorized information regarding federal and Wyoming law. Also, I quoted case law for 4A and 42 USC 1983.

    One other hiker we crossed was OCing a revolver.

    None of the animals we saw were acting defensive or offensive. They were simply "curious." We took pictures and moved on.

    I love Wyoming!!!!

    markm
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    We kept a pleasant and jovial demeanor with these religous nuts
    Sounds like a great approach. I'm planning on keeping a smile until they leave ( if I even encounter any ), then my long-suffering wife can listen to me rant about the "religious nuts". And that is what they are.

    The most trouble I expect is having to return to my car to disarm in order to go into buildings with my wife, or else wait outside for her.

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    I OC on trails all over Wyoming, and have never had a problem. Every once in a great while I get a odd look or two, but politeness and respect usually win out. I did have a friendly discussion on bear defense with a gentleman in an outdoors store and explained to him that I don't think I will ever need my gun to defend myself against a bear, but I feel better having it and not needing it, than needing it and not having it. I also explained the value of having a firearm in the unlikely event that I have to depend on it for survival, it seemed that I may have swayed his opinion a bit. The key to combating ignorance, is polite explanation, if we come off as aggressive we only help to reinforce the "gun-nut" stereotype.

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    Yellowstone OC report

    OK, been there, done that. Spent a week making day trips into Yellowstone. OC'd the whole time in the park (except in buildings, of course), had no issues whatsoever. No adverse comments, unless you count the French who apparently assumed I was strictly mono-lingual. I remember enough to recognize I was being talked about, but even that had more a tone of surprise than anything derogatory. No reaction at all from rangers, and the couple of interractions I had were both positive. One of those was with another gentleman and his son who were both OC'ing. Both of us were taking the same approach: act like it's nothing special, smile a lot and be unfailingly polite. It was nice feeling almost like a free man. Now I'm back in Kansas where I have to act free on the sly.

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