VW_Factor
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It appears that someone informed Stacey of the incorrect information about hollow points... Hmm
It appears that someone informed Stacey of the incorrect information about hollow points... Hmm
As more news reports come in it is becoming apparent that this individual was far from just an average individual. Not only additional ammo but also a Koran and information on how to convert to Islam. Who knows what was going through his head at the time of this stop.
Just a "footnote", he was a Postal Service employee.
+1000HeesBonafide said:Having a copy of the Koran does not make someone a terrorist anymore than having a copy of the Bible would make someone a member of the KKK or any other white supremacist group.
It's but a tiny step to go from believing the spokesman is lying to believing the officer involved is lying, especially since the driver isn't alive to give an account of events.Just off the top of my head, I suspect the quote about "armor piercing bullets" probably came directly from the Tacoma Police spokesperson, Mark Fulghum, since we already know he lies easily (as covered in other recent news.)
Is it possible that the "unmarked" car has something to do with this????
Since brandishing is not well defined by the article I am going to go with RCW 9.41.270 as a basis until more information becomes available. Having a weapon in hand alone would be brandishing because it "warrants alarm". An officer arriving on seen observing a man getting out of his car with a handgun in hand (if that indeed was what happened) would be a major problem. If that happened to any one of us, how much time would we effectively have to determine if the person was endangering us to the point of needing to return fire. A moments hesitation could cost you your life if you are wrong.
Since brandishing is not well defined by the article I am going to go with RCW 9.41.270 as a basis until more information becomes available. Having a weapon in hand alone would be brandishing because it "warrants alarm". An officer arriving on seen observing a man getting out of his car with a handgun in hand (if that indeed was what happened) would be a major problem. If that happened to any one of us, how much time would we effectively have to determine if the person was endangering us to the point of needing to return fire. A moments hesitation could cost you your life if you are wrong.
(1) It shall be unlawful for any person to carry, exhibit, display, or draw any firearm, dagger, sword, knife or other cutting or stabbing instrument, club, or any other weapon apparently capable of producing bodily harm, in a manner, under circumstances, and at a time and place that either manifests an intent to intimidate another or that warrants alarm for the safety of other persons.
if I were pulling an erratic driver over that appeared intoxicated, and exited the vehicle with wagon in hand...I would give the POS as much time as it took for me to draw my sidearm, and start shooting.
Someone responded on here that the man having a handgun in his hand does not fulfill the requirement for lethal force, that may be true, until the man gets out of his car, stands in my direction, and makes one iota of a move towards me.
Correct, let's go with .270....
A police stop at 2am is definitely a manner, circumstance and time and place that would warrant alarm for the officer's safety.
But did he have intent? We will never know. Unless someone happens to release a video.
I judge "officials" more harshly than other citizens as we all should, but if this officer would be brought to trial, like a regular citizen. I could not convict because of the lack of evidence either way. Same thing if the guy lived and he was brought to trial without evidence I am not just taking a cops word for it.
If someone gets out of their car at 2am and has a gun in hand, I would view that as intent.
Many who are not violent terrorists themselves fund terrorism through charitable contributions. Funding the mujahideen is considered exemplary in Islam, and is specifically called out as one of the approved uses of Islamic "charity".not saying everyone who follows the koran is a violent terrorist but...you should really read the koran sometime..
you should read the koran sometime
not saying everyone who follows the koran is a violent terrorist but...you should really read the koran sometime..
I can see how one might view it that way. But, you have to read something into it that may not be there.
A pointed gun is intent. Saying, "I'm gonna shoot you", and saying it like he means it, is intent.
Carrying the gun in hand hanging down at the side just isn't intent to shoot someone. Day or night. Cop or citizen. Traffic stop or hunting camp. It still has other possible explanations--thoughtlessness, stupidity, a desire to show he's not going to be pushed around or capable of defending himself. If he stepped out of the car intending to shoot, he'd come out gun blazing. Until the actual intent forms and becomes manifest, Intent is still missing from the triad.
That word "brandished" appeared in the article. It's such vague and open to interpretation word. Did it mean holding, pointing, waving in a threatening manner?
Does it matter or not?
Yes, the line was retracted from the story.
I can see how one might view it that way. But, you have to read something into it that may not be there.
A pointed gun is intent. Saying, "I'm gonna shoot you", and saying it like he means it, is intent.
Carrying the gun in hand hanging down at the side just isn't intent to shoot someone. Day or night. Cop or citizen. Traffic stop or hunting camp. It still has other possible explanations--thoughtlessness, stupidity, a desire to show he's not going to be pushed around or capable of defending himself. If he stepped out of the car intending to shoot, he'd come out gun blazing. Until the actual intent forms and becomes manifest, Intent is still missing from the triad.
Criminals have been known to use remade cop cars with lights to commit crimes.
Why, is Arabic an untranslatable alien language?Have you read the Koran? In Arabic?
Why, is Arabic an untranslatable alien language?