onestar 50
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What I hate sometime is when I have to push one for English. I shouldn't have to. I use to have a song onmmy Yearbook.com push1 for English it had a good point.
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Why are you not speaking English?
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mousegurl
Regular Member
I would MUCH rather read the post - or hear the voice - of somebody using the best English they can muster, than listen to the bidda-bidda-bidda of those who only come here to leech off of us!
Not everybody posting here has the benefit of a good education. In fact, many descendants of those who pioneered and built this country would have a much better command of many skills, if their teachers hadn't been drawn away to translate for one group who can't/won't speak English and spoon feed another group (who shall remain nameless) with their room temperature IQ's.
By the way, I've heard many immigrants from non-English speaking countries in Europe and Asia speaking much better English than members of the other groups I referred to - despite having much less time in our country. I've also noticed that they are much less represented in crime reports than members of the other two groups, whom are constantly seen in mugshots and composite drawings.
Interesting, you insinuating that patriots are tyrants. Seems to me that the true tyrants are those who scream RACISM whenever the grass roots Americans cry foul over the federal government's refusal to stop this invasion and impede efforts to address it at the state level!
RACIST, BIGOT, HATER, TYRANT - Call me anything you want. Give me any label. Try any PC tactics.
I am an American PATRIOT - and I'm not going to stand idly by and watch my country get destroyed by foreign invaders who have no respect for us whatsoever!
PrayingForWar
Founder's Club Member
It made me sick to read that bed wetting idiot's post, but your response is spot on. Bravo.
SouthernBoy
Regular Member
Which Roosevelt? The progressive or the socialist?
SouthernBoy
Regular Member
Amen to that.
SouthernBoy
Regular Member
"I saw a little spanish girl pushing her doll baby stroller down the sidewalk yesterday..."
How did you know she was Spanish? Spanish people, for the most part, look pretty much just like people from France or Germany or England.
SouthernBoy
Regular Member
One of the first ploys of a racist is to call someone a racist.
SouthernBoy
Regular Member
A generation my butt to assimilate and become an American. I've worked with a ton of people from foreign countries over the years who learned very quickly to speak English and learn our ways. Vietnam, China, Japan, Laos, Cambodia, India, Bangladesh, Uganda, Ethiopia, Arabic countries, France, Germany, Russia and a whole lot more. These folks not only learned English, but most all also went through the proper channels to gain their citizenship. Their assimilation was beneficial to them in so many ways.
When I see someone from a foreign land who does not speak our language and stays within their own kind, the first thing that comes to mind is someone who is only here for economic gain and has no allegiance to my state and my country. It is the message that is sent, like it or not. On the other hand, when I see an immigrant who has made the effort to Americanize, speaks the language well, and has adopted our culture and ways, I am more welcoming to them. This is human nature and as normal as a blue sky.
When I see someone from a foreign land who does not speak our language and stays within their own kind, the first thing that comes to mind is someone who is only here for economic gain and has no allegiance to my state and my country. It is the message that is sent, like it or not. On the other hand, when I see an immigrant who has made the effort to Americanize, speaks the language well, and has adopted our culture and ways, I am more welcoming to them. This is human nature and as normal as a blue sky.
SouthernBoy
Regular Member
We do have a serious immigration problem in this country: illegal and legal as well. There are ways in which we could largely curtail most of these problems but unfortunately this is not going to happen since these people are viewed by certain politicians as potential constituents.
Legal immigration.
o Cap the number at 100,000 a year with the first three years at one half of this number to allow for assimilation.
o Candidates must be functionally fluent in English.
o Candidates must be literate.
o Candidates must have a job offer in hand or a marketable skill.
o Candidates must be free of any diseases or medical conditions which could be problematic for the country.
o Candidates must not have a criminal record of any kind.
o Federal and state governments must use English in all spoken, written, and electronic communications.
Illegal entry is a different story and could be solved to a very large degree at minimum cost to the taxpayer if we would not only use the laws we have but also institute new ones to deal with this very dangerous situation on our borderss.
Illegal entrants. (sorry, I cannot in good conscious call them immigrants)
o No public support of any kind.
o No public education.
o No driver's licenses.
o No medical treatment.
o No food or housing assistance.
o Businesses who hire illegals subject to heavy fines up to being put out of business.
o No "anchor babies" as a path to citizenship and/or legal access.
There are a few more things we could do to stem the flow of illegals into our country but the point is, we need to remove the incentive for them to come here. Once they no longer believe it is in their best interests to illegally cross the border, their numbers will drop dramatically. And while these measures may seem harsh to some, the destruction of our nation is far worse.
Legal immigration.
o Cap the number at 100,000 a year with the first three years at one half of this number to allow for assimilation.
o Candidates must be functionally fluent in English.
o Candidates must be literate.
o Candidates must have a job offer in hand or a marketable skill.
o Candidates must be free of any diseases or medical conditions which could be problematic for the country.
o Candidates must not have a criminal record of any kind.
o Federal and state governments must use English in all spoken, written, and electronic communications.
Illegal entry is a different story and could be solved to a very large degree at minimum cost to the taxpayer if we would not only use the laws we have but also institute new ones to deal with this very dangerous situation on our borderss.
Illegal entrants. (sorry, I cannot in good conscious call them immigrants)
o No public support of any kind.
o No public education.
o No driver's licenses.
o No medical treatment.
o No food or housing assistance.
o Businesses who hire illegals subject to heavy fines up to being put out of business.
o No "anchor babies" as a path to citizenship and/or legal access.
There are a few more things we could do to stem the flow of illegals into our country but the point is, we need to remove the incentive for them to come here. Once they no longer believe it is in their best interests to illegally cross the border, their numbers will drop dramatically. And while these measures may seem harsh to some, the destruction of our nation is far worse.
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eye95
Well-known member
A proposed amendment to the Constitution:
stainless1911
Banned
stainless1911
Banned
Tell it, yell it.
When I was a kid, we played with GI Joe, and watched John Wayne. My daughter grew up watching Dora the Explorer. She still gets mad when I call her Dorka.
LibertyDeath
Regular Member
So I'm a tyrant because I love my country and hate to see it taken over and destroyed by invaders? I have absolutely no problem with legal immigrants, even those that only speak broken English. I understand that this is a pretty hard language to learn but they try.
That being said, the idea of speak a foriegn language a crime in any situation being criminal is disgusting. If you come here legally with your wife and children I don't see a problem speaking to each other in your native language. Sure it annoys the crap out of me but that is my issue.
The problem lies when Americans have to speak to you in your native language because you won't learn English. Government agencies shouldn't have to spend even more of tax payers money, with the exception of criminal courts, just to give you services you don't deserve.
That being said, the idea of speak a foriegn language a crime in any situation being criminal is disgusting. If you come here legally with your wife and children I don't see a problem speaking to each other in your native language. Sure it annoys the crap out of me but that is my issue.
The problem lies when Americans have to speak to you in your native language because you won't learn English. Government agencies shouldn't have to spend even more of tax payers money, with the exception of criminal courts, just to give you services you don't deserve.
Tawnos
Regular Member
Racism, xenophobia... Two sides of the same disgusting coin. A coin it seems many of you look to spend freely. Your poor grasp of history shows, especially when you speak of other groups who have come before, borne the same brutal sense of being an "other", and had their kids assimilate in a way they fundamentally never could. Even so, many still retain a hold of their native tongue, and as a shield against the xenophobic wishes of the ignorant masses, insular regions of each language have formed. As a result, even today you will find heavily Italians areas along the east coast; strongly German places in Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, and Texas; French in places as far flung as Louisiana, Maine, Vermont, and New Hampshire; Hindi in Washington, California, and other tech centers; and all the rest of the various languages spoken throughout our country (source).
People like "mousegurl" have so set in their mind that people have come to leech that it's sad. Her characterization of a language foreign to her underscores the nature of the complaint: xenophobia - fear of the foreign. She and others like her look beyond the fact that they're coming here to hold down jobs that employers have not been able to find qualified US employees to hold. They pay into a tax and social security system that they may not legally draw from. Yet you presume to look down on them with an immature characterization of the manner of their speech?
Free speech protects the expression of ideas. It is not limited to those ideas which are popular, which are spoken, or are communicated in a language or manner you understand. Yet I read this thread with horror as people who claim to care one whit about the Constitution look for ways to limit it, to reduce it, to make it apply less or more weakly. Why? Because they're afraid and ignorant of the facts surrounding the status quo, and that fear makes them reactionary and violent to the unknown. I hope someday many of you can move past that, because down the path you're advocating lies the destruction of the country you claim to want to protect.
merc460
Regular Member
I just cannot understand why the bleeding heart for people just want to leech from us. There ARE two types of immigrants. You seem to advocate for the useless ones, the ones that would NEVER fight for this country if needed. I just cannot understand why.
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MKEgal
Regular Member
Some hispanics are here legally. Heck, some their families were here before there was a USA. Those are Americans, though, & not causing problems.stainless1911 said:
People who want to be hyphenated whatever-Americans are problems.
If you want to be an American, join the country. You can be proud of your heritage, keep family traditions, while still being an American. It's a great country that way.
If you see yourself, your family, your culture as separate, you will be separate and that causes problems.
Amen. I could understand a private company offering the choice of "press 2 for Spanish, 3 for French, 4 for German, 5 for Farsi, 6 for Chinese, 7 for Hmong, 8 for Russian, 9 for Sanskrit".onestar 50 said:
But if you're a US company (or gov't) dealing with US residents, the default should be to continue in English.
I wouldn't go to, say, Germany, & expect people to have everything in English for my convenience. Even on vacation, I'd take a German-English dictionary, & be very grateful when I ran into a native who spoke English & is kind enough to give directions or other help.
If I moved there, I'd buy Berlitz levels 1, 2, & 3 & have them playing constantly until I dreamed in German.
Yes, yes, & yes.mousegurl said:
Get the Schoolhouse Rock DVD set. It's American, in English, educational, & waaay fun. Loved it as a kid, bought it as an adult.stainless1911 said:
Or classic Roadrunner & Bugs Bunny & pals.
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Nothing will be done about the illegals... you have 20 million plus people here paying taxes and soc. sec. that will never see the benefits from that... they're helping prop up soc. sec... follow the money. They will never be booted.
As far as the foreign language... go hang out in central florida with all the french canadians... they're the same way, if not WORSE... they expect YOU to learn THEIR language, and they REFUSE to speak english dispite the fact they know it damn well.
In my opinion, when in rome, you do as romans... If I went to france, spain, germany, etc... I would try my darndest to learn and use the native tongue.
As far as the foreign language... go hang out in central florida with all the french canadians... they're the same way, if not WORSE... they expect YOU to learn THEIR language, and they REFUSE to speak english dispite the fact they know it damn well.
In my opinion, when in rome, you do as romans... If I went to france, spain, germany, etc... I would try my darndest to learn and use the native tongue.
Tawnos
Regular Member
You presume so much, yet know so little. Do you really want to learn, or is your mind made up on the matter?
stainless1911
Banned
xenophobia, fear of foreign\. No, Im not afraid of them, I dont like them. Americans I like, I dont care what race they are.
Like homophobia, Im not afraid of them either, I dont like them.
Like homophobia, Im not afraid of them either, I dont like them.
Tawnos
Regular Member
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/xenophobia
an unreasonable fear or hatred of foreigners or strangers or of that which is foreign or strange.
Your hatred is unreasonable. To borrow from Jefferson and modify a bit:
"But it does me no injury for my neighbor to speak twenty languages in common with me or no languages at all. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."