Poll - Proposed Ammendments for SB93

BROKENSPROKET · Jun 17, 2011

I am not advocatiing for ammendments this session, but we all know the laguage needs to be cleaned up and we should have a clear vision of what to bing to them so they can fix things when they come back in the fall.

What do you want to see changed?

Ideas I have heard so far are:

1 -Eliminate 48 hour waiting period for handgun purchases for Licensee's

2- Allow licensee's to carry in thier vehicle on school grounds for the purpose of pick-up adn drop-off as long as the Licensee's does not leave the vehicle while carrying.

3- Clarify posting requirements.(more info to come)

4-Add any weapons carried by a licensee to the the pre-emption in 66.0409

5- Add something to 66.0409 like "An political subdivision of the state retains ordinances or resulions, preempted by 66.0409, whether enforced or not, shall not be immune, shall be open, to civil liability"
or
anything else that would give it teeth.

What else are we looking for? Short of Constitutional Carry that is. We have to be realiistic that it will take time to build stronger support for it.

Wolf1477 · Jun 17, 2011

Signage:

Require at least a 12x12 (something not a standard size or able to be cut from a standard size down to) posted *prominently* with the correct statute numbers, else the posting is invalid. Wi "No Trespassing", Tx and Al sign requirements as examples.

My initial thought off the cuff

BROKENSPROKET · Jun 17, 2011

Wolf1477 said:
Signage:

Require at least a 12x12 (something not a standard size or able to be cut from a standard size down to) posted *prominently* with the correct statute numbers, else the posting is invalid. Wi "No Trespassing", Tx and Al sign requirements as examples.

My initial thought off the cuff

CAn anyone post a picture of or a link to the Texas and Alabama sign requirements so I can get an idea?

safcrkr · Jun 17, 2011

Remove the word "locked" from the state GFSZ law. It's always been unloaded and encased. Now it's unloaded and in a "locked" case. Not exactly sure if this change applies just to handguns, or to long-guns too. If it applies to long-guns, this change will create a few million "instant criminals" next hunting season. There's probably not a hunter in this state that won't drive through a school zone with grandpa's old gun case holding a shotgun or rifle.

paul@paul-fisher.com · Jun 17, 2011

safcrkr said:
Remove the word "locked" from the state GFSZ law. It's always been unloaded and encased. Now it's unloaded and in a "locked" case. Not exactly sure if this change applies just to handguns, or to long-guns too. If it applies to long-guns, this change will create a few million "instant criminals" next hunting season. There's probably not a hunter in this state that won't drive through a school zone with grandpa's old gun case holding a shotgun or rifle.

I has been removed as part of SSA2. You are still in violation of Federal law but there is nothing the WI legislature can do about it.

BROKENSPROKET · Jun 17, 2011

paul@paul-fisher.com said:
I has been removed as part of SSA2. You are still in violation of Federal law but there is nothing the WI legislature can do about it.

So, was it always that way and we just did not realize it? If I took the time to read that whole discussion I would know.

safcrkr · Jun 17, 2011

paul@paul-fisher.com said:
I has been removed as part of SSA2. You are still in violation of Federal law but there is nothing the WI legislature can do about it.

I don't think it has. They deleted the state exceptions and defaulted to the federal in SB93. That's still there in SSA2 to bill SB93. http://legis.wisconsin.gov/2011/data/SB93-SSA2.pdf , page 57 lists the "exceptions" to the GFSZ, lines 21-22 lists the federal law exceptions - among which are unloaded and in a "locked" container or gun rack. If they removed it, the change hasn't hit the SB93-SSA2 pdf yet.

paul@paul-fisher.com · Jun 17, 2011

safcrkr said:
I don't think it has. They deleted the state exceptions and defaulted to the federal in SB93. That's still there in SSA2 to bill SB93. http://legis.wisconsin.gov/2011/data/SB93-SSA2.pdf , page 57 lists the "exceptions" to the GFSZ, lines 21-22 lists the federal law exceptions - among which are unloaded and in a "locked" container or gun rack. If they removed it, the change hasn't hit the SB93-SSA2 pdf yet.

Page 57 line 22 of the attachment you referenced lists USC USC 922 (q) (2) (B) (i), (iv), (v), (vi), or (vii).

Notice, no (iii), that is the reference to 'locked' cases. SSA1 had (iii).

safcrkr · Jun 17, 2011

paul@paul-fisher.com said:
Page 57 line 22 of the attachment you referenced lists USC USC 922 (q) (2) (B) (i), (iv), (v), (vi), or (vii).

Notice, no (iii), that is the reference to 'locked' cases. SSA1 had (iii).

Thanks... I missed that. Good news. I withdraw my request.

oak1971 · Jun 17, 2011

I say pass it as is and fix it later.

apierce918 · Jun 17, 2011

I would love to see the waiting period go away, I mean c'mon, one on my hip but I have to "cool down" for the new one?

BROKENSPROKET · Jun 17, 2011

oak1971 said:
I say pass it as is and fix it later.

This thread IS about what we want fixed later.

Most want it as is as not to risk losing it all. I am not afraid of that. I do concede so that the Senate won't have to come back just to pass and focus all their energy on campaigning for the recalls as a solidified party, except maybe Shultz.

BROKENSPROKET · Jun 17, 2011

apierce918 said:
I would love to see the waiting period go away, I mean c'mon, one on my hip but I have to "cool down" for the new one?

Thats numero uno on the fix it list.

Ken8521 · Jun 19, 2011

BROKENSPROKET said:
CAn anyone post a picture of or a link to the Texas and Alabama sign requirements so I can get an idea?

Google Image "Texas 30.06 Sign" and you'll see it. There's particular things that make a 30.06 sign valid.

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/signposting.htm

The pics of the ones I've saw, that are "clear", don't seem to be valid under texas law.

Deadscott · Jun 19, 2011

Remove the two day waiting period for handgun purchases.

BROKENSPROKET · Jun 19, 2011

Deadscott said:
Remove the two day waiting period for handgun purchases.

For licensees, it's on the list.

Outdoorsman1 · Jun 20, 2011

Most already know my change....

Remove the 4 month waiting period of the repeal 167.31....

And no permit required UP to school property.....

Like either of the above is gonna happen.....:banghead:

Outdoorsman1

apierce918 · Jun 20, 2011

BROKENSPROKET said:
For licensees, it's on the list.

should be for everyone

BROKENSPROKET · Jun 26, 2011

Updated OP. It's still sloppy.

Poll - Proposed Ammendments for SB93

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