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    AP: Obama "inaction" on guns... 40% private sales?

    Associated Press article basically outlines the complaints of the anti-gun nuts regarding Mr. Obama's apparent inaction on further repressing the rights of law-abiding citizens.

    About half-way through the article, they state:

    "Activist groups say that some 40 percent of gun sales are conducted without background checks."

    Obviously poppycock... anybody have any idea who made up that number? By definition, it would be impossible for anyone to know how many sales are private.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TFred View Post
    Associated Press article basically outlines the complaints of the anti-gun nuts regarding Mr. Obama's apparent inaction on further repressing the rights of law-abiding citizens.

    About half-way through the article, they state:

    "Activist groups say that some 40 percent of gun sales are conducted without background checks."

    Obviously poppycock... anybody have any idea who made up that number? By definition, it would be impossible for anyone to know how many sales are private.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rattrapper View Post
    Just like anyother "Propagander Machine", keep repeating the message enough and enough will believe it.
    Yes... I guess I should have worded my question more clearly.

    Does anyone know who started this particular fallacious bit of information down the information super-highway? Can anyone identify the first instance of its use? That may be the first step towards thoroughly debunking it.

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    95% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

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    Make up statistics on the spot to support a position otherwise unsupportable.

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    Actually, I agree with Sen Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ) when he says the current administration " "has not shown the leadership to combat gun violence."

    They have not repealed the NFA.

    They have not forced DC, MD, Chicago, and CA to honor the Heller OR the McDonald rulings.

    They have allowed cities and municipalities to continue their programs of disarming law-abiding citizens through illegal administrative codes and "policies" in direct violation of recent SCOTUS rulings, as well as the US Constitution.

    They have blocked the re-importation of thousands of surplus military rifles (M1 Garands, mostly), further preventing access to reasonably-priced defensive weapons to middle- and lower-income citizens.

    They have actively engaged in arming foreign drug lords with illegally-transferred firearms which have been used against US LEOs and private citizens.

    They have done nothing to encourage States to abolish licensed CC or OC, and have done nothing to encourage states to abolish licensed carry altogether and move toward "Constitutional Carry" laws like AK, AZ, and VT.

    So yeah, the current administration has, in fact, done VERY little to combat gun violence, because they have done nothing to make the purchase and carry of defensive handguns by law abiding citizens easier, cheaper, and more accessible.

    In fact, in many cases, they have--either actively, or through inaction, made it MORE difficult for law-abiding citizens to exercise their fundamental human right of self-defense.

    Every rational person knows that the BEST way to "combat gun violence" is to ensure that law-abiding people have the ability to defend against it, and a sufficient number of law-abiding citizens carry as a deterrent to the lawless predations to criminals. The current administration has OBVIOUSLY not done enough to keep law-abiding citizens safe--they continue to actively and passively support the disarming of law-abiding people, while also ACTIVELY engaging in arming foreign criminals who use those arms to murder US LEOs and Citizens on our South-western borders...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamer View Post
    They have allowed cities and municipalities to continue their programs of disarming law-abiding citizens through illegal administrative codes and "policies" in direct violation of recent SCOTUS rulings, as well as the US Constitution.
    It's called a "war of attrition." Unless you're Bill Gates, you can't afford to keep suing the municipalities and states every time they pass an un-Constitutional bill. The NRA-ILA was supposed to keep crap like that off the books, but apparently they're doing an incredibly poor job. Yet another reason I don't forfeit the equivalent of a cable TV bill each month to the NRA.

    They have blocked the re-importation of thousands of surplus military rifles (M1 Garands, mostly), further preventing access to reasonably-priced defensive weapons to middle- and lower-income citizens.
    Deceitful, aren't they?

    They have actively engaged in arming foreign drug lords with illegally-transferred firearms which have been used against US LEOs and private citizens.
    Not too bright, though...

    They have done nothing to encourage States to abolish licensed CC or OC, and have done nothing to encourage states to abolish licensed carry altogether and move toward "Constitutional Carry" laws like AK, AZ, and VT.
    In their defense, the Constitution already forbids the federal government to infringe upon the right to keep and bear arms. For that matter, I'm pretty sure it forbids the same of the states. Thus, I don't think the federal government can jump in the states' business and tell they they should or shouldn't do a thing if that thing has to do with the RKBA. The only ones who have the authority to overturn state infringement on Constitutional rights are the courts at the state and, upon appeal, federal levels.

    So yeah, the current administration has, in fact, done VERY little to combat gun violence, because they have done nothing to make the purchase and carry of defensive handguns by law abiding citizens easier, cheaper, and more accessible.

    In fact, in many cases, they have--either actively, or through inaction, made it MORE difficult for law-abiding citizens to exercise their fundamental human right of self-defense.
    By that line of reasoning, you're right. They've focused their efforts towards infringing on the rights of honest, law-abiding citizens to keep and bear arms.
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