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    this should give us new hope in fighting for our rights.

    http://www.libertynewsonline.com/article_301_30706.php

    This is the link to what the Supreme court findings were on the ninth, and tenth amendments. This will give us the right to challenge any state law that violates our Federal Rights, that means any regulations set forth by a state that violate Federal Law can be challenged this should give us the ability to challenge any law forbidding Open Carry, because the Constitution says plain as day to Bare Arms.

    1. Lacking the usual or appropriate covering or clothing; naked: a bare arm.
    2. Exposed to view; undisguised: bare fangs.
    3. Lacking the usual furnishings, equipment, or decoration: bare walls.

    1. To make bare; uncover or reveal: bared their heads; baring secrets.
    2. To expose: The dog bared its teeth.

    bare - make public, tell - let something be known, bare - lay bare,
    bare - not having a protective covering; "unsheathed cables"; "a bare blade"

    Let us use this new Ruling to challenge the states that have banned Open Carry.

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    Bare or Bear?

    "If I shoot all the ammo I am carrying I either won't need anymore or more won't help"

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    Yes, thanks for sharing. Looks like it will be a little easier for individual to take on the government legally.
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    sorry for the miss spelling

    the definition is only slightly different does not state how to carry but says one has the right to. so then any place that has discretionary CC is in violation, and can now be sued then

    1. To hold up; support.
    2. To carry from one place to another; transport.
    3. To carry in the mind; harbor: bear a grudge.
    4. To transmit at large; relate: bearing glad tidings.
    5. To have as a visible characteristic: bore a scar on the left arm.
    6. To have as a quality; exhibit: "A thousand different shapes it bears" (Abraham Cowley).
    7. To carry (oneself) in a specified way; conduct: She bore herself with dignity.
    8. To be accountable for; assume: bearing heavy responsibilities.
    9. To have a tolerance for; endure: couldn't bear his lying.
    10. To call for; warrant: This case bears investigation.
    11. To give birth to: bore six children in five years.
    12. To produce; yield: plants bearing flowers.
    13. To offer; render: I will bear witness to the deed.
    14. To move by or as if by steady pressure; push: "boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past" (F. Scott Fitzgerald)

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    still excited even though

    even though I got the spelling wrong out of my excitement still really excited to see these kinds of things coming our way. just makes me happy to see I may have something to leave to my children after all. However that I think is still in the we shall see range.

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    The bare bear below is barely bearing bare bear arms.


    Quote Originally Posted by amlevin View Post
    Bare or Bear?


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    What would hold more weight as to the founders intentions is a dictonary definition from one published in that time say late 1700s toearly 1800s. they have been used as such in other similar legal cases.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 07Altima View Post
    the definition is only slightly different does not state how to carry but says one has the right to. so then any place that has discretionary CC is in violation, and can now be sued then
    Arguably even those with 'shall issue' CCW laws would be in violation.

    When was the last time you needed to get a license/permit to read a book in public? To go to church? To vote? To meet your significant other in the park for a picnic? To hold up a sign on a street corner saying the world is coming to an end?

    The very nature of a 'right' means you can engage (or NOT engage) in that activity as you see fit without needing anyone's approval/permission.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 07Altima View Post
    even though I got the spelling wrong out of my excitement still really excited to see these kinds of things coming our way. just makes me happy to see I may have something to leave to my children after all. However that I think is still in the we shall see range.

    You set the example for your children. If they see you standing up for your civil rights and the rights of others, hopefully they will do the same. It angers me greatly that in some places, teachers and doctors can ask children whether or not their parents own guns! It sounds to me like those authority figures are using that information to find out who the gun owners are and in the process, turn children against their own parents. When I was a child, (a long time ago) everyone, or nearly everyone, owned guns (mostly long guns) and no one thought anything of it. Far less crime as criminals KNEW they stood a good chance of being shot.

    On the other hand, I am encouraged by the fact that a lot of people are standing up for their rights and making their voices heard. This battle is never going to go away or end. If we lose our Constitutional rights it will be our own damn fault for not standing up for them. When/if your children are old enough, teach them the Constitution of the United States; I understand it is not taught in school anymore. Make sure that they know what their rights and the rights of the people of this country are. They are the ones to carry this battle forward. I wish us all luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phssthpok View Post
    Arguably even those with 'shall issue' CCW laws would be in violation.

    When was the last time you needed to get a license/permit to read a book in public? To go to church? To vote? To meet your significant other in the park for a picnic? To hold up a sign on a street corner saying the world is coming to an end?

    The very nature of a 'right' means you can engage (or NOT engage) in that activity as you see fit without needing anyone's approval/permission.
    Very well said Phssthpok!

    And on that note I wanted to point out this:
    Quote Originally Posted by 07Altima View Post
    This will give us the right to challenge any state law that violates our Federal Rights
    We don't have "federal rights". The second amendment (and all of the others in the Constitution) are a list of negatives. That is to say that it lists what the federal government can't do, it DOES NOT give us our rights. If it did, then it wouldn't be a right anymore, it'd be a privilege.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skiingislife725 View Post
    Very well said Phssthpok!

    And on that note I wanted to point out this:

    We don't have "federal rights". The second amendment (and all of the others in the Constitution) are a list of negatives. That is to say that it lists what the federal government can't do, it DOES NOT give us our rights. If it did, then it wouldn't be a right anymore, it'd be a privilege.

    This! Our rights were given to us by God, our Creator, not some man made institution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruby View Post
    This! Our rights were given to us by God, our Creator, not some man made institution.
    We all have these rights, it's whether or not the Government allows us to exercise them that is the question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amlevin View Post
    We all have these rights, it's whether or not the Government allows us to exercise them that is the question.
    Only because people have come to believe we are a democracy that can allow the government to infringe upon our rights.
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    gotta love this line:

    "Impermissible interference with state sovereignty is not within the National Government’s enumeratedpowers, and action exceeding the National Government’s enumerated powers undermines the States’ sovereign interests."

    Can I get an "Amen" from the choir?

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    I found out while on jury duty that the state can make up it's own definitions of words regardless of the "Dictionary" definition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carracer View Post
    I found out while on jury duty that the state can make up it's own definitions of words regardless of the "Dictionary" definition.
    In other words...

    Humty Dumpty: “When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less.”
    But it matters not one whit. As a juror you have the right to reject any claim either side may make, and vote as you see fit. See also, FIJA.



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    Quote Originally Posted by amlevin View Post
    Bare or Bear?

    I support the right to ARM bears

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    Quote Originally Posted by chehalis scott View Post
    I support the right to ARM bears
    It might just cut down on the number of fools that shouldn't be out there hunting.
    "If I shoot all the ammo I am carrying I either won't need anymore or more won't help"

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