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    Any LEOs in this group? What kind of new training are you receiving re CC.

    Im curious what kind of new training LEOs will be getting when it comes to identifying LEGAL CC. Id almost be interested in sitting in on a LE training session that centers on this. Anyone have any info on this?

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    they will probably do as they have done in the past: learn by their mistakes, and cost the taxpayers in the process.

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    Thats kinda where i was afraid this may go...a LEO encounters someone OCing in a car and then there are problems...im hoping this ISNT the case!

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    I sure hope that officers will be fully educated, but you must assume that they are not educated to all of the details. Approach them as though they have ZERO education.
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    Because we know that LEO's WILL harass us much more once the law goes into effect. I know I will open carry much more than I do now. The only thing that stops me now is the unconstitutional concealed weapons law. Once that is removed no more unloading-encasing-uncasing-loading routine.

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    C'mon on now! There are good LEO and there are not so good LEO, I know both of them and have had contact from both.
    @ OP, where SB93 is at, there is probably little to no official "training" for LEO (usually refereed to as In-Service Briefing)
    Until SB93 or a version of it does become Law, LEO should act IAW w/OC.
    It is the responsibility of the Attorney/DA for the Village, Township or City of ALL LEO jurisdictions to educate their LEO.
    I will say this with absolute certainty, those of us who have been OC'n and reading posts here on the forum have more tangible knowledge than most LEO.
    Why is that? Simply put, LEO are responsible to understand and effectively enforce a vast array of Laws & Municipal Ordinances.
    I venture to say that 99% of the common people haven't a clue about 1% of the laws on the books. Take RAS & PC for example, a majority of US had no idea the difference between them, till we came here and got educated.
    Undeniably there will be a learning curve, on BOTH sides here, so, know what you're supposed to, do what you are supposed to and carry on.
    OH, and yes you may get hassled, so carry a recorder and remember, if you do get cited for a violation you believe is wrong, the time to protest that is in Court, it is the State that must prove you violated a law, not the LEO.
    Now let the hail storm of BOO's fall upon me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by qball54208 View Post
    C'mon on now! There are good LEO and there are not so good LEO, I know both of them and have had contact from both.
    @ OP, where SB93 is at, there is probably little to no official "training" for LEO (usually refereed to as In-Service Briefing)
    Until SB93 or a version of it does become Law, LEO should act IAW w/OC.
    It is the responsibility of the Attorney/DA for the Village, Township or City of ALL LEO jurisdictions to educate their LEO.
    I will say this with absolute certainty, those of us who have been OC'n and reading posts here on the forum have more tangible knowledge than most LEO.
    Why is that? Simply put, LEO are responsible to understand and effectively enforce a vast array of Laws & Municipal Ordinances.
    I venture to say that 99% of the common people haven't a clue about 1% of the laws on the books. Take RAS & PC for example, a majority of US had no idea the difference between them, till we came here and got educated.
    Undeniably there will be a learning curve, on BOTH sides here, so, know what you're supposed to, do what you are supposed to and carry on.
    OH, and yes you may get hassled, so carry a recorder and remember, if you do get cited for a violation you believe is wrong, the time to protest that is in Court, it is the State that must prove you violated a law, not the LEO.
    Now let the hail storm of BOO's fall upon me!
    Tell that to the LEOs who harassed me.

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    Talking BOooooooooooo! :)

    Quote Originally Posted by qball54208 View Post
    C'mon on now! There are good LEO and there are not so good LEO, I know both of them and have had contact from both.
    @ OP, where SB93 is at, there is probably little to no official "training" for LEO (usually refereed to as In-Service Briefing)
    Until SB93 or a version of it does become Law, LEO should act IAW w/OC.
    It is the responsibility of the Attorney/DA for the Village, Township or City of ALL LEO jurisdictions to educate their LEO.
    I will say this with absolute certainty, those of us who have been OC'n and reading posts here on the forum have more tangible knowledge than most LEO.
    Why is that? Simply put, LEO are responsible to understand and effectively enforce a vast array of Laws & Municipal Ordinances.
    I venture to say that 99% of the common people haven't a clue about 1% of the laws on the books. Take RAS & PC for example, a majority of US had no idea the difference between them, till we came here and got educated.
    Undeniably there will be a learning curve, on BOTH sides here, so, know what you're supposed to, do what you are supposed to and carry on.
    OH, and yes you may get hassled, so carry a recorder and remember, if you do get cited for a violation you believe is wrong, the time to protest that is in Court, it is the State that must prove you violated a law, not the LEO.
    Now let the hail storm of BOO's fall upon me!
    Well said! Booo! JK. I agree with you however it only takes ONE corrupt/rogue LEO to ruin a person's life. Of my close acquaintances on this forum who are also members of Wisconsin Carry I know 11 of them have been either charged, arrested, continually harassed, beaten (in their own home no less), jailed and spent thousands of dollars fighting charges that were completely falsified by the officer(s) and upheld by the "Justice System".

    I like good cops and so far my few interactions with them have been good. Not one has yet asked me for I.D. and one even said "As far as I know this is still America and Americans can own as many guns as they want". That was my best interaction with a Kenosha city cop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by protias View Post
    Tell that to the LEOs who harassed me.


    Good recording Joe! Great recorder!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rcawdor57 View Post
    Good recording Joe! Great recorder!

    Check out the I-Kam Extreme! http://i-kamstore.com/?gclid=CKmcgNSXx6kCFYLc4AodqE0gPA
    I can't argue the video does a good job! However, as you recall, that was back a while, I now believe most, if not all LEO agencies have a better grasp on the whole OC (except Mad & Milw) movement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qball54208 View Post
    I can't argue the video does a good job! However, as you recall, that was back a while, I now believe most, if not all LEO agencies have a better grasp on the whole OC (except Mad & Milw) movement.
    My "interaction" was a year after JB's memo went out. WSP was well aware OC is legal where it is not specifically prohibited. You can even hear the officer in the video say it is my right to carry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by protias View Post
    My "interaction" was a year after JB's memo went out. WSP was well aware OC is legal where it is not specifically prohibited. You can even hear the officer in the video say it is my right to carry.
    Again, I say, no argument here! Going armed w/any recording device is a good idea!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlockRDH View Post
    Thats kinda where i was afraid this may go...a LEO encounters someone OCing in a car and then there are problems...im hoping this ISNT the case!
    Once the laws have been signed and published, I am going to print them and put them in my car and have them stashed various other places.

    I'll push for my rights, but would prefer to make any encounter with LEO an educational and "just talking" one rather than having to fight for them in court.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RR_Broccoli View Post
    Once the laws have been signed and published, I am going to print them and put them in my car and have them stashed various other places.

    I'll push for my rights, but would prefer to make any encounter with LEO an educational and "just talking" one rather than having to fight for them in court.
    Unfortunately, nothing is ever "just talking." They are usually probing for something.
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    Never talk to the police.
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    Never talk to the police.

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    Quote Originally Posted by protias View Post
    Unfortunately, nothing is ever "just talking." They are usually probing for something.
    kinda like the TSA: giving you a good feeling daily.

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    he shoots... HE SCORES!!!!!!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by McX
    kinda like the TSA: giving you a good feeling daily.
    If only he were cute & bought me dinner beforehand...

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    Quote Originally Posted by protias View Post
    Unfortunately, nothing is ever "just talking." They are usually probing for something.
    +1
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    Never talk to the police.
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    If only he were cute & bought me dinner beforehand...
    Heheheh...
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    Quote Originally Posted by HandyHamlet View Post
    Never talk to the police.
    We have a winner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rcawdor57 View Post
    Well said! Booo! JK. I agree with you however it only takes ONE corrupt/rogue LEO to ruin a person's life. Of my close acquaintances on this forum who are also members of Wisconsin Carry I know 11 of them have been either charged, arrested, continually harassed, beaten (in their own home no less), jailed and spent thousands of dollars fighting charges that were completely falsified by the officer(s) and upheld by the "Justice System".

    I like good cops and so far my few interactions with them have been good. Not one has yet asked me for I.D. and one even said "As far as I know this is still America and Americans can own as many guns as they want". That was my best interaction with a Kenosha city cop.
    I believe there are still good cops left, but there are many that are bad and because of their negative actions violating the un-alienable RIGHTS of their employers/masters (We the People) you just can't help but harbor the sentiment depicted in the pictures toward them. It doesn't help that most police departments are motivated now by Federal money from the Dept of Homeland InSecurity bribing them to enforce federal laws and "policy" with all the wonderful toys they get to obtain during the militarisation of their dept. Seems like "policy" comes before Oath of office and Rule of Law, ever wonder about the word "POLICE?" (Policy) enforcement and revenue collection! Some solutions that we can use to help educate cops who have lost thier way can be found here http://www.SheriffMack.com
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    Thumbs up Thank You For The Links! I Especially Like Sheriff Mack's Site.

    Quote Originally Posted by NewZealandAmerican View Post
    I believe there are still good cops left, but there are many that are bad and because of their negative actions violating the un-alienable RIGHTS of their employers/masters (We the People) you just can't help but harbor the sentiment depicted in the pictures toward them. It doesn't help that most police departments are motivated now by Federal money from the Dept of Homeland InSecurity bribing them to enforce federal laws and "policy" with all the wonderful toys they get to obtain during the militarisation of their dept. Seems like "policy" comes before Oath of office and Rule of Law, ever wonder about the word "POLICE?" (Policy) enforcement and revenue collection! Some solutions that we can use to help educate cops who have lost thier way can be found here http://www.SheriffMack.com
    http://www.OathKeepers.org
    http://www.CopBlock.org
    If only the rest of law enforcement were like this Sheriff and Arapaio (spelling?). I support these guys 100%!
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    i just hope the cops will become familiar with the new law; harass a permit holder, and you get a $500 FINE, and or 30 days in jail.

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