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    Question No Guns Allowed

    I suspect the antis will try to persuade as many organizations, businesses and individuals to post "no guns allowed" signs as possible. This was in the Journal Sentinel,

    "But under the bill, private individuals and groups that allow concealed carry on their property would have blanket immunity from any legal liability from that decision. Those who post signs prohibiting concealed weapons would not receive that immunity."

    This is a crucial piece of information in the upcoming gun ban skirmish. If they ban guns, they increase their liability. It might be a good idea for all of us to have fliers informing folks of the increased liability with us so that if we encounter a "no guns allowed" sign, we can leave the flier with those in charge. Your thoughts?

    Here is a link to that article, http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepo...124289954.html
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    Thumbs up An excellent idea!

    Quote Originally Posted by Max View Post
    .... It might be a good idea for all of us to have fliers informing folks of the increased liability with us so that if we encounter a "no guns allowed" sign, we can leave the flier with those in charge. Your thoughts?

    Here is a link to that article, http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepo...124289954.html
    It is an excellent idea! Why don't you work up a rough draft to get us started?
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    it's a misprint! it's not no guns allowed, it's: dont say No Guns aloud!

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    Quote Originally Posted by davegran View Post
    It is an excellent idea! Why don't you work up a rough draft to get us started?
    It would be my pleasure to put together a rough draft BUT I am confused as to where to find the final draft of the bill that the governor will sign. If you can point me in that direction I will get working on it right away. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Max View Post
    It would be my pleasure to put together a rough draft BUT I am confused as to where to find the final draft of the bill that the governor will sign. If you can point me in that direction I will get working on it right away. Thanks.
    Try this file. It is as passed by both houses. Thanks for your willingness to pitch in!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Max
    This was in the Journal Sentinel,
    "under the bill, private individuals and groups that allow concealed carry on their property would have blanket immunity from any legal liability from that decision. Those who post signs prohibiting concealed weapons would not receive that immunity."
    (Emphasis added.)
    I hope that some places are dumb enough to do just that.
    I'll carry openly, at least until someone trespasses me.
    Then I'll get contact info for owner/corporate & explain why I won't be back, & that the law protects from liability only those companies that allow cc.

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    Just a rough draft. I am sure there are many here that can do much better then I. We need to persuade anyone banning guns to change their mind so the freedom to carry becomes nearly universal in this state.

    "While attempting to patronize your business, I noticed you had a sign barring handguns on your premises. While the current state law provides immunity from liability should one chose to allow gun on their premises, no such immunity exists for those that do not.

    "943.13 (6) A person that does not, under this section, prohibit an individual who is carrying a firearm from entering or remaining on property that the person owns or occupies is immune from any liability arising from its decision."

    I ask you to reconsider your position on this as I would like to continue to patronize your business but will not be able to as long as you ban guns. No doubt others that value our constitution will cease to patronize your business as well and you have increased your liability for your decision to ban law abiding citizens from carrying on your property. One final thought, do you think someone planning an armed robbery of an establishment would pick one with a sign banning guns, knowing nobody is armed there, or an establishment without such sign where it is likely someone is armed?

    Thanks for your time."

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    This was a comment to the MJS article on the bill passing. I don't know what the cited case "principles" refers to.


    dans78 - Jun 21, 2011 9:13 PM

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    OK...looks like I answered my own question. This pulled from the TTAG website:

    Wisconsin holds a landowner liable for “for injuries resulting from conduct foreseeably creating an unreasonable risk to others.” Thus, if the owner refuses to allow a guest the means to protect himself, that foreseeably creates a risk of injury should the guest be attacked on the premises while disarmed, under the principles of Pagelsdorf v. Safeco Ins. quoted above. And yes, I are a lawyer.


    REEdiculous. Law, or at least prosecution of the law, sure presumes an awful lot...like the outcome of an attack would be BETTER had someone returned fire.
    When in danger you can dial 911 and hope for the police to arrive a few minutes later armed with guns.
    Why do police carry guns?

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    Maybe someone could come up with a WI specific card with the liability part on the back of the card. As it is, quite a few of those other cards are just fine on the front.

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    where is the logic ? the guy that is bent on killing everyone inside will laugh at the NO GUNS ALLOWED sign before he walks in and starts shooting. I wonder if a NO GUNS ALLOWED sign would have prevented the Luby's Massacre
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glock34 View Post
    I wonder if a NO GUNS ALLOWED sign would have prevented the Luby's Massacre
    It wasn't until 1995 (four years after the Luby's Massacre) that Texas passed a shall-issue law. Suzanna Hupp had a gun in her car, but NOT on her person because concealed and open carry were both prohibited in 1991. Because her parents were murdered there and she could have done something if her gun was with her she went on to campaign for the Texas concealed carry law.

    So, in effect there was a "No Guns Allowed" sign at the time of the massacre! And, it prevented a possible response from a citizen.
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    "Business" Cards

    I just used the MS- Word files, front and back from this site

    http://paopencarry.org/no-guns-no-money-cards

    I set the front side left margin at 0.6"
    I set the back side left margin at 0.4"

    I printed the front side on my ink jet and then just turned the paper over and printed the back side. Mine all lined up. Using a razor knife and stiff straight edge, they can be cut into cards. I used some pretty heavy paper.

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