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    CCW w/o permit? OC car carry still have 4 month wait?

    I was trying to read though the bill and am still unsure if this was kept in it. Can you ccw (without being in a school zone) w/o a ccw permit? Or is it now that you can only ccw if you have a WI ccw permit?

    for OC is there still a 4 month wait before we can carry while in a car? (I think still no OC in school zones without a permit)?

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    Can you ccw (without being in a school zone) w/o a ccw permit?
    No

    Or is it now that you can only ccw if you have a WI ccw permit?
    Yes

    is there still a 4 month wait before we can carry while in a car?
    Yes....

    I think still no OC in school zones without a permit)?
    Correct...

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    Cool. Thanks Outdoorsman

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    it will be a long 4 months. last best 4 months of the criminal i hope. we will have to start a pool, or thread, who gets it first, first 5, something like that.

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    I believe that the way the law reads, the four month number is the MAXIMUM that the DOJ can take to set up the permitting process. It could actually take less time....
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    I'm already ready. I just need to know where to send my info and check haha. I hope it's sooner then 4 months. That would be great.

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    I have heard both 3 month and 4 month wait... I guess only time will tell...

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    I thought there was some stuff in regards to nonpermit/OC that changed IMMEDIATELY upon it becoming law...was i wrong? I usually am wrong...

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    Why the wait to open carry in a car? You are not going to need a permit for that anyway correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbojohn41 View Post
    Why the wait to open carry in a car? You are not going to need a permit for that anyway correct?
    Correct. I'm not sure why the wait for that. will the wait be 4 months or until the DOJ sets up the system and is ready for permits?

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    Gotta get those officers trained too.... as we saw in MI when shall issue came into law there were teething issues with many officers disarming CPL holders on all traffic stops. Now that is the exception rather than the rule!

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    Still have issues with that even in FL with some officers.

    Do you legally have to disclose in WI under the current bill Walker will sign?

    I guess for OC it won't matter as the officers will easily see it anyways.

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    "The bill would take effect on the first day of the fourth month after being published into law, meaning it could become law on Oct. 1 or Nov. 1 depending on its publication date. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbojohn41 View Post
    Why the wait to open carry in a car? You are not going to need a permit for that anyway correct?
    CORRECT... NO PERMIT NEEDED FOR LOADED OPEN CARRY N A VEHICLE...

    This issue was one of my BIGGEST gripes about the amended SB-93 bill. From how I understand it, the Assembly basically closed their debate on the bill and introduced a lot of amendments without any input from the public (something about closed door meetings)...

    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...y-In-Wisconsin!

    Then it went to the Senate (House?) for their debate... The Democrats tried to kill the bill by introducing even more stict amendments but all were tabled (shot down).

    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...-21-at-10-01am

    Before the Senate debate, I was advocating (in a few other thread here) contacting Reps. to try and get an amendment introduced to exclude loaded car carry (Statute 167.31) from the waiting period... Some here said that would be counter productive as in if ANY amendment (change) was introduced into the Bill at that time it would either have to go to committee or back to the Aseembly so any addition could be approved there. It was a concern that if this would happen it might delay the Bill until after the upcoming recall elections which might mean all would be lost if we lost the Republican control. This is why I withrew my request for my Rep. to intoduce the change which was probably a moot point as by then it was said that the Senate "locked" the Bill to prevent any amendments which would insure passage...

    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...3-in-the-House

    Basically.... Thats about it....

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    If you don't have a permit,

    just make sure your vehicle carry cannot be construed as concealed carry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apjonas View Post
    just make sure your vehicle carry cannot be construed as concealed carry.
    This is the reason why I plan to wait for my permit before I open carry in my vehicle.
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    Exclamation Whoops!

    Oops! I mistakenly thought that the 4 month number was a maximum limit on the time frame of instituting the cc law, but I was wrong. What it says is:
    SECTION 101.0Effective dates. This act takes effect on the first day of the 4th
    month beginning after publication, except as follows:
    (1) The treatment of sections 66.0409 (6), 165.25 (12), 175.49 (4), 175.60 (2m)
    and (5), and 947.01 (2) of the statutes and SECTION 100 (1) and (2) of this act take effect
    on the day after publication.
    (END)

    SECTION 21. 66.0409 (6) of the statutes is created to read:
    66.0409 (6) Unless other facts and circumstances that indicate a criminal or
    malicious intent on the part of the person apply, no person may be in violation of, or
    be charged with a violation of, an ordinance of a political subdivision relating to
    disorderly conduct or other inappropriate behavior for loading, carrying, or going
    armed with a firearm, without regard to whether the firearm is loaded or is concealed
    or openly carried. Any ordinance in violation of this subsection does not apply and
    may not be enforced.

    SECTION 22. 165.25 (12) of the statutes is created to read:
    165.25 (12) RULES REGARDING CONCEALED WEAPONS LICENSES. Promulgate by
    rule a list of states that issue a permit, license, approval, or other authorization to
    carry a concealed weapon if the permit, license, approval, or other authorization
    requires, or designates that the holder chose to submit to, a background search that
    is comparable to a background check as defined in s. 175.60 (1) (ac).

    175.49 Former law enforcement officers seeking to carry concealed weapons.
    (4) CERTIFICATION CARDS. (a) 1. Subject to pars. (b), (c), and (d) and sub. (3) (a),
    the department shall design a certification card to be issued by the department under
    sub. (3) (a).

    175.60
    (2m) LICENSE DOCUMENT; CONTENT OF LICENSE. (a) Subject to pars. (b), (bm), (c),
    and (d), the department shall design a single license document for licenses issued and
    renewed under this section. The department shall complete the design of the license
    document no later than the first day of the 2nd month beginning after the effective
    date of this paragraph .... [LRB inserts date].

    (5) APPLICATION AND RENEWAL FORMS. (a) The department shall design an
    application form for use by individuals who apply for a license under this section and
    a renewal form for use by individuals applying for renewal of a license under sub.
    (15). The department shall complete the design of the application form no later than
    the first day of the 2nd month beginning after the effective date of this paragraph ....
    [LRB inserts date]

    947.01 Disorderly Conduct
    (2) Unless other facts and circumstances that indicate a criminal or
    malicious intent on the part of the person apply, a person is not in violation of, and
    may not be charged with a violation of, this section for loading, carrying, or going
    armed with a firearm, without regard to whether the firearm is loaded or is concealed
    or openly carried.
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    Dave, does that me we will be able to submit permit forms a day after two months from the signing of the bill? So confusing...though I feel bad for the IT guys that have to put the infrastructure together so quickly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by technician View Post
    Dave, does that me we will be able to submit permit forms a day after two months from the signing of the bill? So confusing...though I feel bad for the IT guys that have to put the infrastructure together so quickly.
    Unfortunately, that language (175.49 & 175.60) is for former law enforcement officers....
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    Quote Originally Posted by technician View Post
    So confusing...though I feel bad for the IT guys that have to put the infrastructure together so quickly.
    I feel bad for them too...but nothing like a deadline to get the govt motivated. I actually have a cousin that works for the DOA in the IT dept. He might be involved in the development of the system. It would be interesting to know if he will have any involvement in it. But I will know who to call when there are problems, LoL
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    hope he's a friendly cousin.

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