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    Hey John and Mike!

    Do you see what is happening to your wonderful site?

    Over the year and a half since I have known it, it has morphed from a useful site advocating the exercise of a right and a discussion of the law to one that is dominated by a handful of posters bent on displaying their hatred of the nation whose Constitution was designed to protect that right and others.

    Yeah, I know. This post is inviting some of that very hatred. I won't reply to it. I ain't interested even in reading any more of that monotonous tripe. I am only interested in hearing John's and Mike's takes on the more hate-filled nature of their once more pleasant and useful site.

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    If I recall correctly, there is no "right to not have your tender sensibilities bruised" in the US constitution.

    But there IS a Freedom of Speech.

    If you don't like the idea of free and open discourse, then perhaps you would be happier if you relocated to a place that more closely regulates "offensive" speech, like China or the DPRK.

    Different rules for "people you don't agree with" is NOT Liberty--it is totalitarianism...

    Just sayin'...

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    There are some good threads and sub forums and there are bad threads and sub forums. Overall it is good, but there are some that are rude, or even bait, others. Moderators seem to be random in their approach as of late.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    Do you see what is happening to your wonderful site?

    Over the year and a half since I have known it, it has morphed from a useful site advocating the exercise of a right and a discussion of the law to one that is dominated by a handful of posters bent on displaying their hatred of the nation whose Constitution was designed to protect that right and others.

    Yeah, I know. This post is inviting some of that very hatred. I won't reply to it. I ain't interested even in reading any more of that monotonous tripe. I am only interested in hearing John's and Mike's takes on the more hate-filled nature of their once more pleasant and useful site.
    What!!?!?!?!

    Its quieter now than ever. Is the OPer out to lunch? He shoulda been around in 2007-2009.

    And, I would very much like to see some quotes from these people who displayed their "hatred of the nation..." I think the OPer might be conflating disagreement with government policies with hatred for the nation (the people themselves).

    Boy, who was it just recently was admonishing us about rhetoric making us look whacko?

    Hope John and Mike pretty much let things alone. Maybe tighten up on the moderators themselves--some of the moderation lately has been a little arbitrary.

    Moving on.
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    eye95 could just as easily sent this in a PM to John and Mike. Instead he posted it on open forum to get a S***storm going. Typical troll tactic. I always thought him to be a troll of some sort. He now takes down the facade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rodbender View Post
    eye95 could just as easily sent this in a PM to John and Mike. Instead he posted it on open forum to get a S***storm going. Typical troll tactic. I always thought him to be a troll of some sort. He now takes down the facade.
    It wouldn’t be the first time. I believe this is not the first time this poster has posted in order to gain a desired response, and in order to report-on.
    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/showthread.php?90220-His-name-is-Obama.
    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    It is an age-old trick to gather the group you wish to dispatch in one area, making their disposal easier. Not that I would want to physically dispose of anyone here. However, regard for anything they have to say can be disposed of easily now. This thread drew precisely the expected reaction. Bye, guys.

    Very Self righteous, it’s the ey95 way or the highway, eye95 appears to be the 800 pound Gorilla in the Avatar. Either you believe as eye95 or you are a bad, non-politically correct, hateful, non-patriot. In past life I wonder, Loyalist, or leader of a Temperance movement? Does eye95 have an eye on us?
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    Standard forum politics.

    The user cycle will in such a topic as Open Carry I am sure is like the oceans tide. It'll come and go, and be nasty then informative at times..

    So goes the days of our internets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    Do you see what is happening to your wonderful site?

    Over the year and a half since I have known it, it has morphed from a useful site advocating the exercise of a right and a discussion of the law to one that is dominated by a handful of posters bent on displaying their hatred of the nation whose Constitution was designed to protect that right and others.

    Yeah, I know. This post is inviting some of that very hatred. I won't reply to it. I ain't interested even in reading any more of that monotonous tripe. I am only interested in hearing John's and Mike's takes on the more hate-filled nature of their once more pleasant and useful site.
    "Hate" what part of the Constitution? The Bill of Rights? Article 3 section 3? The preamble? Kind of an open statement. It's like "LEO bashing." In the eye of the beholder. No pun intended. I love this country, swore to uphold and defend its finest law--which is still a light for all of mankind to learn from, imo, but never took an oath not to criticize organizations--constitutionally seated, that co-opt it to unjust, immoral or unlawful purpose. And that most assuredly includes thugs hiding behind a badge whose tactics and mind-set harken back to Nazi Germany or Stalin Russia. Despising individuals does not presuppose despising the institution where they reside. Just my 2 baht.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    Do you see what is happening to your wonderful site?

    Over the year and a half since I have known it, it has morphed from a useful site advocating the exercise of a right and a discussion of the law to one that is dominated by a handful of posters bent on displaying their hatred of the nation whose Constitution was designed to protect that right and others.
    Over the year and 8 months I've been on this site, it's stayed about the same. Old trolls and troublemakers get kicked off eventually, new ones move in. I see very few folks who actually hate this country - the strong feelings I see are mostly directed against those who would destroy what is left of this country.

    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    Yeah, I know. This post is inviting some of that very hatred. I won't reply to it. I ain't interested even in reading any more of that monotonous tripe. I am only interested in hearing John's and Mike's takes on the more hate-filled nature of their once more pleasant and useful site.
    So you're making a public scene of your concerns, and then plugging your ears to the inevitable public response. Well, if you didn't want anything other than John/Mike's response, why the hell did you post this in the public forum instead of sending a PM? Oh wait, we've seen your attention-getting habits before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    Do you see what is happening to your wonderful site?

    Over the year and a half since I have known it, it has morphed from a useful site advocating the exercise of a right and a discussion of the law to one that is dominated by a handful of posters bent on displaying their hatred of the nation whose Constitution was designed to protect that right and others.

    Yeah, I know. This post is inviting some of that very hatred. I won't reply to it. I ain't interested even in reading any more of that monotonous tripe. I am only interested in hearing John's and Mike's takes on the more hate-filled nature of their once more pleasant and useful site.
    Cite examples, please, of those posts that have exhibited a "hatred of the nation."

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    Just wondering, don't mean anyting by it, but 5,977 posts in 18 months, were you trying to match the number of times the say nothing president was on TV in his first 18 months?

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    OCDO rocks.

    Go smoke one, you really need to chill.

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    Really, eye...

    I recall a recent post from you, leaving out pertinent facts, posted apparently to get inflamed responses. Here you go again. How is your "potential dissident" database coming? You are dishonest and disingenuous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamer View Post
    If I recall correctly, there is no "right to not have your tender sensibilities bruised" in the US constitution.

    But there IS a Freedom of Speech.

    If you don't like the idea of free and open discourse, then perhaps you would be happier if you relocated to a place that more closely regulates "offensive" speech, like China or the DPRK.

    Different rules for "people you don't agree with" is NOT Liberty--it is totalitarianism...

    Just sayin'...

    "We are not afraid to entrust the American people with unpleasant facts, foreign ideas, alien philosophies, and competitive values. For a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is afraid of its people." --JFK
    The Constitution and it's amendments are designed to limit government, not private internet forums.


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    We try to moderate with a light hand and, while there have been some extreme posts we HAVE moderated, generally, I am not familiar with any current poster who hates our great nation.


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    I'm in love with America, and wish it was legal to marry it.
    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    You could always take your ball and go home.

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    It is my love for this country that prompts me to say some of the things that I do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bom1911 View Post
    You could always take your ball and go home.
    Or I could make a rational plea for change. I prefer that. It is the more adult thing to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Administrator View Post
    We try to moderate with a light hand and, while there have been some extreme posts we HAVE moderated, generally, I am not familiar with any current poster who hates our great nation.

    John
    Considering the number of posts I have seen lately advocating violence against it, I'd have to disagree with your assessment.

    No problem though, I made the point and it was acknowledged. Oh well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    Or I could make a rational plea for change. I prefer that. It is the more adult thing to do.
    But you did this instead. Why?
    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    Do you see what is happening to your wonderful site?

    Over the year and a half since I have known it, it has morphed from a useful site advocating the exercise of a right and a discussion of the law to one that is dominated by a handful of posters bent on displaying their hatred of the nation whose Constitution was designed to protect that right and others.

    Yeah, I know. This post is inviting some of that very hatred. I won't reply to it. I ain't interested even in reading any more of that monotonous tripe. I am only interested in hearing John's and Mike's takes on the more hate-filled nature of their once more pleasant and useful site.
    And you went back on your word to reply to this thread.
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    The forefathers made the first post advocating violence against the .gov.

    In these times, advocating violence against the .gov, and America are two distinctly different things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesCanby View Post
    Cite examples, please, of those posts that have exhibited a "hatred of the nation."
    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    Considering the number of posts I have seen lately advocating violence against it, I'd have to disagree with your assessment.

    No problem though, I made the point and it was acknowledged. Oh well.
    You have been asked to provide cites to these posts you have,now, twice described. Will you provide them, please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stainless1911 View Post
    The forefathers made the first post advocating violence against the .gov.

    In these times, advocating violence against the .gov, and America are two distinctly different things.
    Not in the "eyes" of authoritarian statists.

    I see no advocating of violence against the government just reminders that it is a choice and the gov. should start behaving before the people opt to use that choice.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    Do you see what is happening to your wonderful site?

    Over the year and a half since I have known it, it has morphed from a useful site advocating the exercise of a right and a discussion of the law to one that is dominated by a handful of posters bent on displaying their hatred of the nation whose Constitution was designed to protect that right and others.

    Yeah, I know. This post is inviting some of that very hatred. I won't reply to it. I ain't interested even in reading any more of that monotonous tripe. I am only interested in hearing John's and Mike's takes on the more hate-filled nature of their once more pleasant and useful site.
    If public discourse was not desired, then it would seem to have been better handled by PMs with the principals. By posting as you have, the opportunity/invite could not have been more clearly made to those so disposed.
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