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    NRA Basic Pistol *_instructor_* course in Milwaukee in JUL

    If you have $500 to invest in training,
    are available on FRI 15JUL starting at 9am,
    and want to be an NRA instructor, here's how to sign up.

    Once you're certified, you might be able to help teach free basic classes so people can get permits, once the content & instructors are decided upon by WCI,
    & I'm sure many more people will want training beyond the very basics.

    Go to the NRA class search page here,
    under the right hand column of classes click the 3rd box down,
    use 53209 for the zip (lower left),
    & it's the only one that comes up.

    You do have to be an NRA member (it asks for your member #).
    Cheapest membership is $10/year.
    I think I've attached a PDF of the shooting & handling requirements.

    ETA: In talking with Scott Taetsch 27JUN, who among other things trains the trainers in the WI/UP area & is the NRA senior field rep. (some of us met or saw him @ the Richfield Cabela's SB93 meeting), he strongly suggested staying away from classes given by an out-of-state trainer who travels to give classes.
    This could show a quality or reputation problem in his local area.
    YMMV, your decision is your own. Me, I'm saving $200 even though I have to go to IL.
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    save $200

    If you're not averse to spending a weekend among the FIB's,
    as well as saving about $200...
    There's one the same weekend in Villa Park, IL; 60181 for $185.
    Use the same search link above, w/ different zip code.

    As of the morning of Tues. 28JUL he has 3 spots left. After that, he'll keep a wait list.
    Payment due to his POB (or via PayPal) by 06JUL.
    Same practical pre-test as above, same written test as the basic pistol class (open book, 90%).

    From the class info link:
    BSA Leaders, Military vets and active law enforcement recieve a $25 discount.
    VFW R&P members recieve a $75 Discount.
    This hotel is close & cheap:
    Americas Best Value Inn-Glen Ellyn/Chicago
    675 Roosevelt Rd.; Glen Ellyn, IL; 60137
    (630) 469-8500
    ($51/night w/ microwave & fridge, so you don't have to eat out; free wi-fi; cold breakfast)

    Even with gas, tolls, & hotel, I'll come out about $200 better off than the MKE class.
    So... anyone wanna carpool? I've got an I-pass. Nonsmoking, please.
    And if there are any women who'd like to share a room, PM me. We can get 2 queen beds.
    I might even consider a well-behaved man w/ a note to that effect from your wife or GF.
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    And if you're not averse to spending a weekend among the FIB's,
    as well as saving about $200...
    There's one the same weekend in Villa Park, IL; 60181 for $185.
    Use the same search link above, w/ different zip code.

    This hotel is close & cheap:
    Americas Best Value Inn-Glen Ellyn/Chicago
    675 Roosevelt Rd.; Glen Ellyn, IL; 60137
    (630) 469-8500
    ($51/night w/ microwave & fridge, so you don't have to eat out; free wi-fi; cold breakfast)

    So... anyone wanna carpool? I've got an I-pass.

    Some of us would have a hard time budgeting the $$$ for this if was at half the cost....

    Just sayin...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MKEgal View Post
    And if you're not averse to spending a weekend among the FIB's,
    as well as saving about $200...
    There's one the same weekend in Villa Park, IL; 60181 for $185.
    Use the same search link above, w/ different zip code.

    This hotel is close & cheap:
    Americas Best Value Inn-Glen Ellyn/Chicago
    675 Roosevelt Rd.; Glen Ellyn, IL; 60137
    (630) 469-8500
    ($51/night w/ microwave & fridge, so you don't have to eat out; free wi-fi; cold breakfast)

    Even with gas, tolls, & hotel, I'll come out about $200 better off than the MKE class.
    So... anyone wanna carpool? I've got an I-pass. Nonsmoking, please.
    And if there are any women who'd like to share a room, PM me. We can get 2 queen beds.
    I might even consider a well-behaved man w/ a note to that effect from your wife or GF.
    HOT DAMN

    I have family near there I can stay with, and save $300

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    Quote Originally Posted by Outdoorsman1
    Some of us would have a hard time budgeting the $$$ for this if was at half the cost...
    I understand completely.
    I've been unemployed for well over a year, other than a few temp jobs.
    There are lots of things I've had to remind myself I can't afford.

    I'm treating this as an investment. Not only in 1) my training & skills,

    but 2) for helping other people get training for their WI CHP free, which makes society safer,

    and 3) for doing regular classes. With the announcement of SB93, instructors are completely swamped. This can mean work/income for me.
    And with my other training/education/experience, I can reach "special populations" other people might not.
    And yes, I'd offer WCI members the same bargain I got on my basic pistol class from the cat w/ the M4. But I think most of you already have training.
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    7/22 and 8/6 there are the same courses in the chicago area
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    I'd do the Milwaukee one for $200 if that's possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XD40-OD
    7/22 and 8/6 there are the same courses in the chicago area
    7/22 is the same travelling $500 guy as I'd originally found doing the MKE course.
    8/6 $375 in Dundee, IL
    8/13 $295 in Oswego, IL

    Options, options, so many options...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MKEgal View Post
    I understand completely.
    I've been unemployed for well over a year, other than a few temp jobs.
    There are lots of things I've had to remind myself I can't afford.

    I'm treating this as an investment. Not only in 1) my training & skills,

    2) but for helping other people get their WI CHP free (whatever WCI sets up), which makes society safer,

    3) and for doing regular classes. With the announcement of SB93, instructors are completely swamped. This can mean work/income for me.
    And with my other training/education/experience, I can reach "special populations" other people might not.
    And yes, I'd offer WCI members the same bargain I got on my basic pistol class from the cat w/ the M4. But I think most of you already have training.
    All EXCELLENT and AWESOME reasons to justify the cost... I totally agree with your way of thinking.

    Good on you...

    Seriously, pencil me in as one of your first students... I would consider it "special" training if you were the instuctor...

    I consider the money I spend on my firearms as an investment in my safety as well as a financial investment for the future, because I have already checked into that if anyone has to file bankruptcy (sp?), your firearms are one of the few things you get to keep. "They" cannot "force" you to sell them so pay of creditors.... but in a worst case senario, I suppose I could part with a few if I had too....

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    I just have to throw in my $0.02

    Convincing people that all they need is NRA basic pistol is dangerous. It will lead to people who are untrained and dangerous to innocent bystanders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CalicoJack10
    I just have to throw in my $0.02
    Convincing people that all they need is NRA basic pistol is dangerous.
    It will lead to people who are untrained and dangerous to innocent bystanders.
    Gotta start somewhere. NRA basic pistol is a basic marksmanship & safety class.

    Students have to have that in order to take more advanced classes, which is one of the 2 reasons I took it. (The other reason being so I could teach it. By the time I took the class, my skills were beyond it.)

    Instructors have to have the basic pistol instructor cert to teach more advanced classes.

    Eventually I'd like to take & teach the 2 personal protection classes, too, & I'd recommend them to my basic pistol students. But I'm starting where I've got to start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Outdoorsman1
    Seriously, pencil me in as one of your first students... I would consider it "special" training if you were the instuctor...
    The only thing I'll be able to teach/certify will be the NRA basic pistol class.
    It's really, really basic.
    (The "first steps" class is really really really basic.)
    For more useful self-defense training, take a trip up north to see Calico Jack, or find an NRA personal protection inside/outside the home class local to you.

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    Anyone able to get confirmation that it will fullfill the WI CCW training requirement?

    It's the only way I could see value in being an instructor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CalicoJack10 View Post
    I just have to throw in my $0.02

    Convincing people that all they need is NRA basic pistol is dangerous. It will lead to people who are untrained and dangerous to innocent bystanders.
    Who's claiming that the NRA basic pistol course is "all they need?" That course is simply designed to introduce a person to the safe handing, maintenance, storing and shooting of handguns. It's a good start for most people. It's not a combat or defensive shooting course and it doesn't claim to be.

    For purposes of the new CC law it does meet the training requirement, but that was based on the judgment of the legislature, not you or I or other gun instructors. The hunter's safety program, which if I recall correctly when my son took it 13 years ago, has nothing whatsoever about handguns in it. And even that meets the minimum training requirement.

    If WCI gets on board with training, I doubt it would be simply the presentation of an NRA designed course, but something designed around WI's CC law. But part of becoming an NRA instructor is the material about how to become a more effective instructor-- something valuable for whatever you're teaching.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MKEgal View Post
    The only thing I'll be able to teach/certify will be the NRA basic pistol class.
    It's really, really basic.
    (The "first steps" class is really really really basic.)
    For more useful self-defense training, take a trip up north to see Calico Jack, or find an NRA personal protection inside/outside the home class local to you.
    I understand what the course is and quite frankly, I am past that stage in my learning experiance, buy hey... I just thought it would be great to be "one of your first students"... kinda like a "Good for you girl.... count me in" type thing....

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    Once you're certified, you can help WCI teach the free basic classes so people can get permits,
    May I just request that you not suggest that taking this particular course you are advocating would enable someone to "help WCI" teach any classes.

    The content and nature of any training offered by Wisconsin Carry has not been determined and at such time as it is, only the officers of the organization would be able to make promises about who or how people would participate in teaching those classes. We have not yet decided what qualifications would be required of anyone who did teach classes on behalf of the organization.

    It is misleading to suggest that this training would put someone in a position to be teaching any classes for WCI. You are not authorized to make those claims.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XD40-OD
    Anyone able to get confirmation that it will fullfill the WI CCW training requirement?
    It's the only way I could see value in being an instructor.
    If all you want is a WI cc license, there are lots of easier things you can do.
    If you want to be able to bring others a bit further along in their beginning skills, this is one way to do it.

    Nik, I'm sorry I made the assumption that someone certified by the NRA could do the free classes WCI talked about offering (while SB93 was first gathering steam).
    I'll change that in my posts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CalicoJack10 View Post
    I just have to throw in my $0.02

    Convincing people that all they need is NRA basic pistol is dangerous. It will lead to people who are untrained and dangerous to innocent bystanders.
    That is the argument which is used to try and ban Open Carry and Constitutional carry in general. It is a page right out of the WAVE play book nearly verbatim..... If you are carrying for self defense, you are of no danger except to a potential attacker unless you are totally inept. You would not draw to stop a theft or other crime that is absent of an imminent threat to your life. You are not allowed to continue firing if the attacker turns and runs away...etc
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    So what really constitutes training? A 5 minute class? Classroom only? Classroom with range time? Range time only?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interceptor_Knight View Post
    That is the argument which is used to try and ban Open Carry and Constitutional carry in general. It is a page right out of the WAVE play book nearly verbatim..... If you are carrying for self defense, you are of no danger except to a potential attacker unless you are totally inept. You would not draw to stop a theft or other crime that is absent of an imminent threat to your life. You are not allowed to continue firing if the attacker turns and runs away...etc
    DISCLAIMER: If you are not open to ANY form of firearm training, other than DRN or Basic pistol, this fact below will probably PISS YOU OFF! I am NOT referring to ANYONE here, I am NOT presuming ANYONE here is not knowledgeable and I am NOT pointing ANY fingers at ANYONE! FTI, when I use "I & you" I am using in general.
    I would attempt to qualify what Calico Jack is trying to illustrate here, IK, you just about hit the nail on the head, but missed the follow through, to further your opinion here.
    Carrying any weapon is dangerous! Yeah, ppl think "I know how to use it" Yeah sure you do, I put it in my holster, place the mag in the magazine well, safety on...Vwolah! Sure, now you're ready to go and walk the dog, sometime along the walk, you are approached by 2 younger males asking you for a lite for their cig, you oblige, while reaching into your pocket (now BOTH hands are "busy") They start to attack you, your dog runs away, you're on the ground, presumably fighting for your life, one of them is trying to steal your firearm while the other is bashing your face in, WTF are you really capable of now?
    Yeah, I got it, there are multiple ways you think you'd react, but with out the proper TRAINING, you and your gun are useless, now you have introduced a weapon of opportunity into the fight one that YOU brought and will likely be used in the furthering of a commission of a SERIOUS crime.
    I realize that my example is extreme, it does happen.
    I have been through training examples just like that one, I though before I did that same one, "I'll do this..." NOPE! WRONG!
    Now, let's say you do get your firearm out, you start firing rounds BANG BANG CLICK...WTF!?!?!? In the midst of all that is happening, you experience a Type 2 Malfunction...AW Crap now what do I do? Might as well throw it at them and prey!
    If you do not want to get this type of knowledge keep your firearm in the holster and run, cuz your going to hurt and/or jeopardize innocent people, remember EVERY round fired has a lawyer attached to it!
    "WE" as firearm owners and carriers shoulder a heavy responsibility, with great power comes great responsibility!
    Utilize what tools and people that have the proper professional training available to your advantage instead of slamming them, if YOU had the training and experience that they and I have, you'd understand, so please keep an open mind, it could very well save your life!

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    I encourage anyone with the skills and $$ to obtain their NRA Instructor - Pistol rating to do so. Most states that require training require the NRA Instructor - Pistol as a prerequisite to obtaining that state's CFP Instructor Permit (Example: Utah, Nevada, etc). It is not clear what WI will require but it is logical to assume that an NRA Instructor - Pistol will meet or exceed WI CFP Instructor requirements. (It will be interesting to see. We will probably have to wait for the DOJ to promulgate the appropriate regulations based on the legislation.) It will also be interesting to see what program, if any, WI Carry designs.

    I concur with those who posted that the NRA Pistol Class is just a basic class on safety, firearm familiarity, and marksmanship. It IS NOT about defensive fighting with a handgun or handgun retention in close proximity fighting. Those skills need to be acquired from competent instructors who teach them. I personally have taken such training and recommend it to all my friends who carry for personal defense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interceptor_Knight View Post
    That is the argument which is used to try and ban Open Carry and Constitutional carry in general. It is a page right out of the WAVE play book nearly verbatim..... If you are carrying for self defense, you are of no danger except to a potential attacker unless you are totally inept. You would not draw to stop a theft or other crime that is absent of an imminent threat to your life. You are not allowed to continue firing if the attacker turns and runs away...etc
    Come on now, I always thought you were more intelligent than this. If you really believe this then please explain to me how missed shots due to the attack, and over penetration have no effect on innocent people. It is not about what you draw for, it is about the use of that firearm. It is pretty insulting that you would associate me with wave being that I am one of the people that is offering this kind of training for FREE to make sure that the things that you left out of your statement don't end up killing innocent people. I have been teaching people to defend and survive for more than 10 years, and the type of instruction that places like front sight and thunder ranch are just now starting out with, I have been doing for at least that long. While people throw away my comments as in line with anti gunners, you fail to realize that we can loose CC a hell of a lot faster than we got it. All it takes is a group of people who think that the minimum training is good enough to make sure they don't kill some kid in a walmart parking lot because they didn't know what to do.


    Quote Originally Posted by jpm84092 View Post
    I encourage anyone with the skills and $$ to obtain their NRA Instructor - Pistol rating to do so. Most states that require training require the NRA Instructor - Pistol as a prerequisite to obtaining that state's CFP Instructor Permit (Example: Utah, Nevada, etc). It is not clear what WI will require but it is logical to assume that an NRA Instructor - Pistol will meet or exceed WI CFP Instructor requirements. (It will be interesting to see. We will probably have to wait for the DOJ to promulgate the appropriate regulations based on the legislation.) It will also be interesting to see what program, if any, WI Carry designs.

    I concur with those who posted that the NRA Pistol Class is just a basic class on safety, firearm familiarity, and marksmanship. It IS NOT about defensive fighting with a handgun or handgun retention in close proximity fighting. Those skills need to be acquired from competent instructors who teach them. I personally have taken such training and recommend it to all my friends who carry for personal defense.
    Aren't you the same guy that was just talking about coming back to Wisconsin to teach people the basic pistol course so that they could get their permit? It is great to know that you are so concerned with what is happening in Wisconsin as long as you can make a few bucks off of it. The up side is that at least this time you admit that you needed courses that were beyond your knowledge.

    As for the rest of it. It is simple. There is a lot of talk of what it will require to get a permit. And it seems that unless the governor changes something major, any training will get you that permit. What you are not taking into account is what happens if it is your wife or child or anyone else you love that gets taken out by a round from your gun because you thought that you learned enough in that basic pistol course. And if anyone wants to challenge my record, or ability, talk to someone who has taken one of my "Basic" courses that I taught for FREE, I guaranty they will tell you that the minimum will get someone innocent killed. A lack of appropriate training can cost you your life, even if you are an "Instructor".

    The sad truth is that being that we are getting NEW concealed carry laws, we can loose them. No matter what amount of fighting we put up to keep them from going away. We are the ones that have to stand up and PROVE that we are responsible, because we all know the anti gunners will use any tragedy to their advantage. The idea that minimums are OK is a dangerous prospect. It is also not something that we can take lightly, no matter if it is video's, books, courses, or practice, it is our job to make sure that we are the best of the best.

    So if you think the little bit that is being talked about in order to get a permit is enough, just remember, if a missed shot wizzes by a cop or a cops family, then they will treat you like the attacker even if you are defending yourself. And as far as me, I have the training, and I do the practice, and I am constantly researching what needs to be in order to save the lives of the people that I care about, whether that be from me teaching them, or me defending them with my firearm.

    The law can not dish out a penalty that will ever match some of the consequences you create as a result of a bad shot.

    Edit: Just so we are clear, this is the same thing I have been screaming since we started the fight for constitutional carry, and this is the reason I have always offered a FREE open carry course. I have put up at every turn. Including having to design a FREE concealed carry course as a result of the permit system.

    You think I am wrong about any of it, I have two words for you. PROVE IT!
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    new thread, please?

    I'm not saying the discussion about how much & what type of training people need isn't interesting,
    or isn't needed,
    or even that (much of) what's being said is off-point or irrelevant to that topic.

    But would you all PLEASE start your own thread to fight in?
    Most of this has nothing to do with the original intent of making people aware of upcoming training.
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    Citizenship is a verb.
    Quote Originally Posted by Proverbs 27:12
    A prudent person foresees the danger ahead and takes precautions.
    The simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences.
    Quote Originally Posted by Proverbs 31:17
    She dresses herself with strength and makes her arms strong.

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