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    shocking admission from MPD on FOX news

    In this story, posted 23JUN, it says in part:

    "In 2007, the most serious calls to MPD meant a response time of more than 12 minutes.
    In 2010, that number was up to more than 13 minutes..."

    But they say that the rate of violent crime is down*, and citizen contacts are up 4x in the same 07-10 period.
    [*I checked; it is, but we're still by FAR the most dangerous city in WI. 2009 rate of violent crime: Milwaukee 1088.9; Racine 544.8; Beloit 472.4; Green Bay 469.1. No other city was over 400. www.ucrdatatool.gov]

    This floored me, though:
    "Another reason for police not only focusing on response time to crime is the lag in reporting incidents.
    MPD believes on average the victim or witness waits between 20-40 minutes before ever getting police involved."

    They 'believe' people wait? What's their proof?
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    When seconds count between life and death the police are only minutes away-Philip Van Cleave

    The above statement couldn't be more accurate. I am sure that there are numerous police departments around the country that have similar response times or worse....
    "When seconds count between living or dying, the police are only minutes away."

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    Quote Originally Posted by MKEgal View Post
    But they say that the rate of violent crime is down, and citizen contacts are up 4x in the same 07-10 period.
    No doubt citizen contacts are up since every time they encounter a citizen they go out of their way to falsely arrest them for disorderly conduct.

    I was going to balance that comment with a comment to praise police for something else, but then I decided against it since Flynn and "supposedly" so many other officers pushed for a CCW database.

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    Police don't even write some calls down. I know at Marquette University that is true. They didn't even want to hear some of the crimes that happened. Why? Because it will make their numbers look better. Less reported crime = "safer" city...
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    Crime is down because they fail to report it and make an arrest. A common trick to make it look like your police Chief is doing a good job.
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    From "A Jeff Cooper Retrospective", "It has been pointed out to us that the proper number to consider in the event of violent aggression is "911"-if you are of the rabbit people . Others will do better to place their faith in the number "1911"...........

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    Quote Originally Posted by 32HR MAG View Post
    From "A Jeff Cooper Retrospective", "It has been pointed out to us that the proper number to consider in the event of violent aggression is "911"-if you are of the rabbit people . Others will do better to place their faith in the number "1911"...........
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    Quote Originally Posted by MKEgal View Post
    In this story, posted 23JUN, it says in part:


    I checked; it is, but we're still by FAR the most dangerous city in WI. 2009 rate of violent crime

    Huh.. I wonder why that is.



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    Quote Originally Posted by 1FASTC4
    Hey, speaking of Milwaukee, doesn't it have the highest concentration of blacks in Wisconsin?
    According to http://factfinder.census.gov yes.
    The % of people identifying themselves as black/AA only are:
    Milwaukee county 25.2%, [#1 dangerous Milwaukee: 1088.9]
    Racine county 10.3%, [#2 dangerous Racine: 544.8]
    Kenosha county 5.9%,
    Rock county 4.5%, [#3 dangerous Beloit: 472.4]
    Dane county 4.3%,
    Adams county 3.5%,
    Dodge county 2.9%,
    Brown county 1.7%. [#4 dangerous Green Bay: 469.1]

    I think you can see from the holes that correlation does not equal causation.
    (Though I admit, seeing the % & the rate both cut in half between Milwaukee & Racine does make one wonder.)

    IOW, since there are several places with higher % of blacks/AA than Brown county, yet Green Bay is still the 4th most violent city in WI, it's not reasonable to say that there's a link. (Kenosha % is several times higher, yet KPD reported a rate of 276.5 in 2009.)

    Especially look at Rock & Dane county having practically the same %, but Dane having a lower rate of violent crime. (363.8 in 2009)

    Of course, trying to argue someone out of being racist using facts is about like trying to argue someone out of being anti-gun using facts.
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    one thing to consider when comparing overall populations...education level...i venture a guess that the educaion level of minorities in Dane county is much higher than those Rock county...given the amount of larger employers/state gubment present in Madison...and not so in Rock county...

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    Quote Originally Posted by protias View Post
    Police don't even write some calls down. I know at Marquette University that is true. They didn't even want to hear some of the crimes that happened. Why? Because it will make their numbers look better. Less reported crime = "safer" city...
    I agree 100%. . Our Assistant Chief of Police was an instructor in the Criminal Justice program I graduated from. He admitted that the numbers are manipulated by many cities that way. Another way is to classify them differently so that they don't show up in the violent crime stats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MKEgal View Post
    According to http://factfinder.census.gov yes.

    Of course, trying to argue someone out of being racist using facts is about like trying to argue someone out of being anti-gun using facts.
    You can tell I'm being racist? Wow... amazing. I consider myself more of a pragmatist.

    Since you like facts, here's one: Blacks make up 13% of the US population but 40% of the prison population. I'm not sure what their economic situation has to do with it as there are many more white people living in poverty than black. People afraid to have frank discussions will quickly label me a racist, like you and the moderator(implied). I don't have anything against the race as whole and I'm not interjecting emotion, like you by quickly crying "racist", but the statistics do not lie.
    The simple unavoidable fact is that, nationally speaking, blacks commit violent crimes at a much higher pace than whites. It's convenient for people like to you label me as a racist, but it won't change the facts.

    The question to ask is "why do black commit violent crime at a higher rate?" It's how one answers this question that would truly reveal if one is a racist or not. Of course, it's easier for frightened people to scream "racist!" than to actually have a discussion about causation or even face the reality of the situation
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    The average response time to a 911 call is 23 minutes.
    The average response time of a 1911 is 875fps.

    That is all you need to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by safcrkr View Post
    The average response time to a 911 call is 23 minutes.
    The average response time of a 1911 is 875fps.

    That is all you need to know.
    10mm is 1200 fps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1FASTC4 View Post
    The question to ask is "why do black commit violent crime at a higher rate?"
    Or the question might be, "Why aren't black people as good at getting away with violent crimes as white people are?"

    I have a smiley there, but something along those lines could be argued in some form or other. Such as arguing police are more lenient on white people or push harder to go after black people or black people get worse attorneys or whatever.

    All I know for sure is that Milwaukee is an embarrassment to the rest of Wisconsin. They should just change the name to "North Chicago" already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by safcrkr View Post
    The average response time to a 911 call is 23 minutes.
    The average response time of a 1911 is 875fps.

    That is all you need to know.
    I've seen this several times before in other places. Nonsense, speed (fps) and time (seconds, minutes,...) are different quantities and cannot be compared to each other.

    How about
    The average response time to a 911 call is 23 minutes.
    The average response time of me (1.50 secs) and a 230 gr from a 1911 traveling at 875 fps for 15 ft (.02 sec) is 1.52 secs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1FASTC4
    The question to ask is "why do black commit violent crime at a higher rate?"
    Quote Originally Posted by DangerClose View Post
    Or the question might be, "Why aren't black people as good at getting away with violent crimes as white people are?"

    I have a smiley there, but something along those lines could be argued in some form or other. Such as arguing police are more lenient on white people or push harder to go after black people or black people get worse attorneys or whatever.

    All I know for sure is that Milwaukee is an embarrassment to the rest of Wisconsin. They should just change the name to "North Chicago" already.
    All of what DC said.

    Is there really a difference in the rate of crime commission,
    or the rate of getting caught,
    or the rate of getting arrested,
    or the rate of getting charged,
    or the rate of getting convicted?
    Or (probably) a combination of all of those?

    And if there are differences, is it really the pigment that's causing the problem?
    I think not.
    I think it's people's choices that cause problems, at least in the first & possibly the second categories.
    Other people's perceptions & choices, based on the pigment of the criminal, play a part in the rest.

    As far as I can tell, my melanin-gifted (black) across-the-street neighbor is no less law-abiding than the less melanin-gifted (Italian) guy next to him, who AFAIK is (currently*) no less law-abiding than I am, & I am severely melanin-impaired (German-English). And we all live in Milwaukee.
    (*He had a wild youth.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by MKEgal View Post
    All of what DC said.

    Is there really a difference in the rate of crime commission,
    or the rate of getting caught,
    or the rate of getting arrested,
    or the rate of getting charged,
    or the rate of getting convicted?
    Or (probably) a combination of all of those?

    And if there are differences, is it really the pigment that's causing the problem?
    I think not.
    I think it's people's choices that cause problems, at least in the first & possibly the second categories.
    Other people's perceptions & choices, based on the pigment of the criminal, play a part in the rest.

    As far as I can tell, my melanin-gifted (black) across-the-street neighbor is no less law-abiding than the less melanin-gifted (Italian) guy next to him, who AFAIK is (currently*) no less law-abiding than I am, & I am severely melanin-impaired (German-English). And we all live in Milwaukee.
    (*He had a wild youth.)
    Yes there really is a difference in commission, getting caught, arrested, charged, and getting convicted. Stats don't lie. The question again is, why? There's theories, most not related to race.




    I'm glad you have a law abiding black neighbor...not really sure what that has to do with anything but good for you.

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