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    I know I shoudn't listen to rumors but....

    I keep hearing that there is another shoe yet to drop in the CC legislation. Something about Walker caving in to liberal Police Chiefs and altering the bill.

    One of those "heard it in a gun shop" deals.

    Any credible information on this?
    In God I trust. Everyone else needs to keep your hands where I can see them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oak1971 View Post
    I keep hearing that there is another shoe yet to drop in the CC legislation. Something about Walker caving in to liberal Police Chiefs and altering the bill.

    One of those "heard it in a gun shop" deals.

    Any credible information on this?
    There is no reason at all for him to concede anything, at this point Walker can fulfill his promise to sign concealed carry legislation on his desk.

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    Change what? They got the training and permits they wanted.

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    I dont think he can alter it now unless its line item veto

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    Quote Originally Posted by apierce918 View Post
    I dont think he can alter it now unless its line item veto
    Exactly. He can't put stuff in, but he can take stuff out.
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    The Wisconsin Police Chiefs Union (sorry... "Association") is in bed with WAVE just like the national (they call themselves "International", as like in U.N.) police chiefs association is at the beck and call of the Joyce Foundation.
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    When in danger you can dial 911 and hope for the police to arrive a few minutes later armed with guns.
    Why do police carry guns?

    The Joyce Foundation funded firearm control empire:
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    Quote Originally Posted by apierce918 View Post
    I dont think he can alter it now unless its line item veto
    From The Wisconsin Blue Book 1993-1994, "The Legislative Process in Wisconsin"

    As exercised by recent Wisconsin governors and based on interpretations
    by the Wisconsin Supreme Court, the power to partially veto bills is very
    extensive but it can only be applied to an appropriation bill.
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    What if he sent it back for more stringent training provisions?
    In God I trust. Everyone else needs to keep your hands where I can see them.

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    The "what if" stuff never ends.

    Just give him some time, I am sure he will pass the bill as soon as he gets it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oak1971 View Post
    What if he sent it back for more stringent training provisions?
    He would have to veto the whole thing to do that.

    People need to relax. It will be signed when it is signed.

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    Ok..I will ignore the rumors, but I have been betrayed by politicians so many times I don't know what to do when they actually do something halfway decent.
    In God I trust. Everyone else needs to keep your hands where I can see them.

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    Again....of course he's aware of it, but it hasn't even officially hit his desk.

    Calm down.

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    If'n it's true that Walker plans on making the signing a "grand event" then he'd look pretty stupid to change anything or reject anything in it. Thats my opinion


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    Quote Originally Posted by Teej View Post
    Again....of course he's aware of it, but it hasn't even officially hit his desk.

    Calm down.
    From The Wisconsin Bluebook 1993-1994, "The Legislative Process in Wisconsin"

    While in most states the time limit for gubernatorial review is counted from
    date of the billís final passage, in Wisconsin the 6-day period begins with
    official receipt of the bill by the governorís office. This allows the governor to
    consider the proposed legislation in a more orderly fashion. The legislature
    informally supplies the governorís office with copies of the enrolled bill for
    review by the governor and the governorís staff. Because the bill has not been
    transmitted officially, the 6-day limit does not start to run. When the governorís
    office is ready to take action, it informs the chief clerkís office which delivers
    the official copy, and the 6-day period begins. (Under Assembly Rule 23 (4),
    the speaker has the authority to send an enrolled bill to the governor, but this
    rarely happens.) Starting with the 1977 Legislature, the chief clerks have been
    given deadline dates in the session schedule by which all bills then enrolled
    must be delivered to the governorís office. The 1993-94 session schedule sets 4
    such dates for delivery of remaining bills to the governor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davegran View Post
    From The Wisconsin Bluebook 1993-1994, "The Legislative Process in Wisconsin"
    I read that too. However, at the end of voting on SB93 in the Assembly, the Assembly speaker banged the gavel and said he's ordering SB93 immediately messaged back to the Senate with vote of concurrance, "and messaged to the Governor". WTF did that mean?

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    What's your point?

    The bill shows:

    Code:
    Status: S-Enrolled
    The last several events on the bill history are:
    Code:
    6/21/2011 A.    Ordered immediately messaged 
    6/22/2011 S.    Received from Assembly concurred in 
    6/23/2011 S.    Report correctly enrolled on 6-23-2011
    Contrast with this (unrelated, just dug something up from the past to show the history)

    Code:
      01-23.  S. Report correctly enrolled on 1-23-2006  ................... 548
       04-13.  S. Presented to the Governor on 4-13-2006  ................... 772
       04-19.  S. Report vetoed by the Governor on 4-18-2006  ............... 777
       05-29.  S. Placed on calendar 5-30-2006 pursuant to Joint Rule
                    82(2)(a)..
       06-16.  S. Failed to pass notwithstanding the objections of the
                    Governor pursuant to Joint Rule 82  ..................... 882
    There's a bill that was enrolled on 1/23. They didn't present it to the Governor until 4/13. That's when the 6-day clock started.

    This is a loooooong way from the first time I've followed things through our legislature.
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    Bill Signing

    Quote Originally Posted by davegran View Post
    From The Wisconsin Bluebook 1993-1994, "The Legislative Process in Wisconsin"
    HI there from Montana.
    HB 272 was passed to the Governors desk for signing (CC bill)
    All the 2nd amendment supporters were glad it was approved
    Guess What?
    The Governor repealed it
    We are still pissed off
    It is not over until it is signed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davegran
    From The Wisconsin Blue Book 1993-1994, "The Legislative Process in Wisconsin"
    the power to partially veto bills is very extensive but it can only be applied to an appropriation bill.
    Isn't this an appropriation bill, since it takes money?

    Quote Originally Posted by oak1971
    I have been betrayed by politicians so many times I don't know what to do when they actually do something halfway decent.
    When you can pick your jaw up off the floor, tell them thank you.
    On signing day, we should party. On 01NOV, we should party.
    Invite the legislators who stood up for the Constitution.

    Quote Originally Posted by koggman
    HB 272 was passed to the Governors desk for signing (CC bill)
    All the 2nd amendment supporters were glad it was approved
    Guess What?
    The Governor repealed it
    We are still pissed off
    It is not over until it is signed.
    Walker knows that if he doesn't sign it he will be recalled.
    The dems are already up in arms (as much as they can be, since they generally oppose guns), & vetoing this bill would add the hundreds of thousands of 2A supporters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MKEgal View Post
    Isn't this an appropriation bill, since it takes money?

    Yes, but it's an appropriation 'loan'. The General Fund is payed back from the license fees. It's written into SB93 and
    I am just too lazy right now to cite it for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MKEgal View Post


    When you can pick your jaw up off the floor, tell them thank you.
    On signing day, we should party. On 01NOV, we should party.
    Invite the legislators who stood up for the Constitution.

    Sounds like a capital idea.
    In God I trust. Everyone else needs to keep your hands where I can see them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Da Po-lock View Post
    If'n it's true that Walker plans on making the signing a "grand event" then he'd look pretty stupid to change anything or reject anything in it. Thats my opinion
    I agree.. If he's planning a "signing event"... I was wondering if he might sign it on July 4. That would be pretty awesome IMO, and still require DOJ to start receiving permits on Nov 1.

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