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    Thumbs down City of Snohomish Parks

    So another member and I went fishing at Hill Park in the city of Snohomish....As we enter there is a sign stating NO firearms allowed in park and I was pissed....I looked up the city codes and they state that they are not allowed inside the park which I know is B.S....I am writing them a letter stating RCW

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    Is it a shock, government agency ignoring laws and all? Just know its not a legal sign and nobody can do a damn thing about you carrying there.

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    Yup write a letter and carry anyway.

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    Welcome aboard Chongo.

    Want to have some fun? Ask them why the PD still have any guns in their possession in light of an ordinance requiring that such either be sold or destroyed.

    C. This ordinance and the amendment
    creating Snohomish Municipal Code
    9.41.010 shall apply to all firearms in the
    possession of the Snohomish Police
    Department
    on the effective date of this
    ordinance. (Ord. 2003, 2002)
    http://www.ci.snohomish.wa.us/Code/0...onsControl.PDF


    I do NOT see any exception for law enforcement use.
    You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training. Archilochus, 650 BC

    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Welcome aboard Chongo.

    Want to have some fun? Ask them why the PD still have any guns in their possession in light of an ordinance requiring that such either be sold or destroyed.

    C. This ordinance and the amendment
    creating Snohomish Municipal Code
    9.41.010 shall apply to all firearms in the
    possession of the Snohomish Police
    Department
    on the effective date of this
    ordinance. (Ord. 2003, 2002)
    http://www.ci.snohomish.wa.us/Code/0...onsControl.PDF


    I do NOT see any exception for law enforcement use.
    Cute, but it only applies to Confiscated or Forfeited firearms, not duty firearms.

    Another one of those "out of context" situations.
    "If I shoot all the ammo I am carrying I either won't need anymore or more won't help"

    "If you refuse to stand up for others now, who will stand up for you when your time comes?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by chongo469 View Post
    So another member and I went fishing at Hill Park in the city of Snohomish....As we enter there is a sign stating NO firearms allowed in park and I was pissed....I looked up the city codes and they state that they are not allowed inside the park which I know is B.S....I am writing them a letter stating RCW
    While writing, why not also send one to your legislative reps. Suggest that they introduce a bill requiring the removal or correction of all regulatory signs that do not follow current State Law. Also suggest that there be a monetary penalty for failure to comply.

    All the letter writing campaigns to local government should have similar efforts directed to the Legislature.
    "If I shoot all the ammo I am carrying I either won't need anymore or more won't help"

    "If you refuse to stand up for others now, who will stand up for you when your time comes?"

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    Welcome aboard Chongo.

    Want to have some fun? Ask them why the PD still have any guns in their possession in light of an ordinance requiring that such either be sold or destroyed.

    C. This ordinance and the amendment
    creating Snohomish Municipal Code
    9.41.010 shall apply to all firearms in the
    possession of the Snohomish Police
    Department
    on the effective date of this
    ordinance. (Ord. 2003, 2002)
    http://www.ci.snohomish.wa.us/Code/0...onsControl.PDF


    I do NOT see any exception for law enforcement use.
    You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training. Archilochus, 650 BC

    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Welcome aboard Chongo.

    Want to have some fun? Ask them why the PD still have any guns in their possession in light of an ordinance requiring that such either be sold or destroyed.

    C. This ordinance and the amendment
    creating Snohomish Municipal Code
    9.41.010 shall apply to all firearms in the
    possession of the Snohomish Police
    Department
    on the effective date of this
    ordinance. (Ord. 2003, 2002)
    http://www.ci.snohomish.wa.us/Code/0...onsControl.PDF


    I do NOT see any exception for law enforcement use.
    Now if I was in Snohomish I would go in and ask if they are following through on this law....
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    It appears you need to address this ordinance and well the ones cited and is not available online or is no longer in existence. (Ord.
    1387, 1978)

    http://www.ci.snohomish.wa.us/MunicipalCode.htm

    13.04.070 Firearms Fireworks
    Weapons. It is unlawful to shoot, fire, or
    explode any firearm, fireworks, firecracker,
    torpedo, or explosive of any kind or to carry
    any firearm or to shoot or fire any air gun,
    paint ball guns, bows and arrows, BB gun,
    or use any slingshot in any park. (Ord.
    1387, 1978)
    Provided, this section should not apply to
    law enforcement personnel or to department
    of parks and recreation employees acting
    pursuant to or in accordance with rules and
    regulations of the Park Director. (Ord.
    2132, 2007)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Welcome aboard Chongo.

    Want to have some fun? Ask them why the PD still have any guns in their possession in light of an ordinance requiring that such either be sold or destroyed.

    C. This ordinance and the amendment
    creating Snohomish Municipal Code
    9.41.010 shall apply to all firearms in the
    possession of the Snohomish Police
    Department
    on the effective date of this
    ordinance. (Ord. 2003, 2002)
    http://www.ci.snohomish.wa.us/Code/0...onsControl.PDF


    I do NOT see any exception for law enforcement use.
    The title of stated section is "9.41.010 Disposition of Confiscated and Forfeited Firearms Proceeds." I don't see this going too far, nice try though.

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    So this is what reply I have gotten from the Mayor of the city of Snohomish

    Thank you for your email and attention to this matter concerning firearms inside our park. I am referring this to our City Manager, Chief of Police and City Attorney for their advice.
    I'll let you know the results of this inquiry.
    Karen Guzak, Mayor
    360-568-1000

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    Quote Originally Posted by chongo469 View Post
    So this is what reply I have gotten from the Mayor of the city of Snohomish

    Thank you for your email and attention to this matter concerning firearms inside our park. I am referring this to our City Manager, Chief of Police and City Attorney for their advice.
    I'll let you know the results of this inquiry.
    Karen Guzak, Mayor
    360-568-1000
    The equivalent of "Warm air blown up your ---"

    Rather than acknowledge the State Law they're going to "run it through channels" and in the time that takes, hope you forget about it.

    We sure get our money's worth with all these elected officials, don't we.
    "If I shoot all the ammo I am carrying I either won't need anymore or more won't help"

    "If you refuse to stand up for others now, who will stand up for you when your time comes?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by amlevin View Post
    The equivalent of "Warm air blown up your ---"

    Rather than acknowledge the State Law they're going to "run it through channels" and in the time that takes, hope you forget about it.

    We sure get our money's worth with all these elected officials, don't we.
    The good news is that it has been put in "process"....the OP will now have to dog this doggedly over the next year.

    I am still in hot pursuit of Tacoma Pierce County Parks to change the signage at Chambers Creek....(this appears to be phase two of the resistance of Gov't). The PC Council amended the rules last November after my request in writing in August. The management of (this) park has shifted, and for "excessive cost" to replace signs was refused. I went straight back to the PC Council Chair and Dick Muri who contacted the manager directly to get it done.....that was six weeks ago....no changes yet.

    Gentle pressure, applied relentlessly..... Keep on 'em Chongo!
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    To ALL Whom are Concerned:

    Snohomish County REPEALED This Ban.

    Evidence is Found here: http://www.mrsc.org/ords/S61o10-016.pdf

    ..., and here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ALQf5WybXo

    aadvark

    *** Snohomish County NEVER Funded The Removal of The Illegal Signs. ***
    Last edited by aadvark; 06-28-2011 at 12:37 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aadvark View Post
    To ALL Whom are Concerned:

    Snohomish County REPEALED This Ban.

    Evidence is Found here: http://www.mrsc.org/ords/S61o10-016.pdf

    ..., and here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ALQf5WybXo

    aadvark

    *** Snohomish County NEVER Funded The Removal of The Illegal Signs. ***
    But now we are discussing the CITY of Snohomish.
    "If I shoot all the ammo I am carrying I either won't need anymore or more won't help"

    "If you refuse to stand up for others now, who will stand up for you when your time comes?"

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    have no fear

    I've fished at hill park many times while open carrying, never had a bit of problem, even in mid week when the park was overflowing with daycare centers' worth of kids & chaperones. I've open carried in the park & not even been approached by the police when they were there for different reasons, so I"m pretty sure you won't have any problems, regardless of what the signs say

    J

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    Quote Originally Posted by jt59 View Post
    The good news is that it has been put in "process"....the OP will now have to dog this doggedly over the next year.

    I am still in hot pursuit of Tacoma Pierce County Parks to change the signage at Chambers Creek....(this appears to be phase two of the resistance of Gov't). The PC Council amended the rules last November after my request in writing in August. The management of (this) park has shifted, and for "excessive cost" to replace signs was refused. I went straight back to the PC Council Chair and Dick Muri who contacted the manager directly to get it done.....that was six weeks ago....no changes yet.

    Gentle pressure, applied relentlessly..... Keep on 'em Chongo!
    When i wrote her the letter I was very polite and even worded it as it may have just been an oversight, but I did link the WA state Pre-emption statute so she has something to go off of....I figure if I don't hear from her by Friday i will shoot off another email concerning her findings and send 1 weekly until I am satisfied with her answers........and then i will send 1 every week until I see the sign come down and the municipal code on the books changed

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    amlevin:

    I Apologize.

    I did NOT Realize that Snohomish Doubled as The county Name and as a City Name within The County.

    Either Way..., Washington Revised Code 9.41.290 Preempts City Governments within Washington State from Regulating Firearms within Parks, except; that Reasonable Discharge Regulations can Remain in Place.

    aadvark
    Last edited by aadvark; 06-30-2011 at 02:53 PM.

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    Still.....

    And yet another trek to Hill Park Last evening for an attempt at gathering fish...place was packed, kids all over the place, dozens of kids coming on to the fishing dock with their parents...not once did my firearm jump out of it's holster & shoot someone, nor did anyone run off screaming about someone with a gun (in fact, no one even asked me about my weapon).
    Just as it should be!

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