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    Seattle police leave rifle unattended on cruiser

    SEATTLE (AP) - A Seattle police spokesman says the department is "embarrassed" after officers left a police rifle unattended on top of a patrol car outside a busy downtown area.

    http://mynorthwest.com/?nid=174&sid=505646

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    It's okay, all that will happen is additional training and everything will be alrite.


    More training!


    By the fooking way, this is right around the corner from Meridian Regal theater and GAMEWORKS! Hell, if you exit gameworks from their side entrance, you'd be able to see that cruiser sitting there.


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    You guys are forgetting the "fact" that gun are always less dangerous when they are owned by police. Police guns secure themselves because they are specially trained...cmon everyone knows that
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    Mo info!

    http://www.komonews.com/news/local/124662724.html

    A source told KOMO News that the officer who is assigned to the rifle was cleaning out his patrol car inside the garage of the west precinct on Monday. The officer set the rifle on the trunk of a nearby patrol car, got distracted, and ended up leaving the gun on the vehicle.

    Another officer assigned to that car got drove out of the garage for his shift, and made it a few blocks before the citizens notified him of the gun on his trunk, the source said.


    He forgot that Starbucks didn't ban guns!


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    How much do you want to bet that is not an AR-15, but a select fire M16 or M4? Barrel looks long enough to be a real M16, but the stock is???
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    Oops...

    I've done that... sort of...

    I mean you have your hands full and what's more important... that cup of coffee or that AR????

    You know you put the cup of coffee down so you don't spill it... I mean it sucks driving around with a cup of coffee sloshing around and dropping down your pants...

    So, you go to put that coffee down and then you get distracted and forget all about that AR sitting nice and cozy on the trunk. It's not going anywhere...


    Ya, like his career ain't going too far after that show... oops
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    He says people should expect more from the Seattle police department.
    Since when? When it comes to firearm security their former chief set the bar.

    Besides, maybe they were just "trolling" for more terror suspects. Hoping they'd fall in behind and chase them back to the Police Station just like salmon chasing a herring plug
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    Quote Originally Posted by hermannr View Post
    How much do you want to bet that is not an AR-15, but a select fire M16 or M4? Barrel looks long enough to be a real M16, but the stock is???
    Does it really matter? Granted I highly doubt that it is an M anything and there isn't really anyway to tell without looking at the control lever or internal parts. It is still incredibly stupid and I think the officer should be fired for it.

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    Funny that it wasn't described as an assault rifle, or Military style machine gun! Could it be because there are double standards in the news?

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    The article by KING 5 news that is on MSN did describe it as an assault rifle. Incredibly stupid thing for anyone to do, LEO or not.
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    Seattle Police said some sort of discipline or change in policy is likely to come from the incident.

    Ya think!!!

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    I thought Gil Kerlikowske retired from the SPD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruby View Post
    The article by KING 5 news that is on MSN did describe it as an assault rifle. Incredibly stupid thing for anyone to do, LEO or not.
    Ditto on Q13. Anchorchick went to great lengths to call it an assault rifle.

    So who wants to start the pool that the chump responsible will NOT get fired, thanx to the union?
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    I saw this on Q13 too. They commented several times that SPD did not know if the weapon was loaded. It seemed clear to me that a magazine was inserted in the well. Does SPD normally keep an EMPTY magazine in the weapons they use? I think not.

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    It really doesn't have any bearing on the fact that the Officer was careless but closer look at the picture makes me think it isn't one of their AR-15/M-16's. SPD also has a few Accuracy International "Sniper Rifles" with AI's weird stock. They hold a magazine not unlike that of an M-14. This rifle appears to have a long scope on it, with bipod, etc.

    If it is one of these rifles, the officer came real close to loosing about $6k of taxpayer's money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyDeath View Post
    Does it really matter? Granted I highly doubt that it is an M anything and there isn't really anyway to tell without looking at the control lever or internal parts. It is still incredibly stupid and I think the officer should be fired for it.

    M16 and M4 are select fire, something you, as a civilian cannot posses. LE gets them from the military.

    You want to hear the sheep scream, just let them know SPD is running around with fully automatic weapons on the trunk.

    Change the subject a bit...who do you think is in deeper doo doo? The lady LT that was driving around with the weapon on her trunk lid? Or the poor patrol officer who was signed for the weapon?

    I know, if it was lost, the patrol officer would be in deeper, but it was not lost...

    I think this is a good example of how, even "scary" weapons do not go on rampages and kill people, don't you? The weapon did nothing, shot nobody, the good citizens of Seattle did not steal it....

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    Quote Originally Posted by hermannr View Post
    M16 and M4 are select fire, something you, as a civilian cannot posses. LE gets them from the military.

    You want to hear the sheep scream, just let them know SPD is running around with fully automatic weapons on the trunk.
    We actually can posses a select fire weapon, I just have to have a lot of cash and willingness to fight through the red tape.

    The sheep already think assault rifles are fully automatic. Even though most M16's and M4's are 3 round burst.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyDeath View Post
    The sheep already think assault rifles are fully automatic. Even though most M16's and M4's are 3 round burst.
    That qualifies them under State Law as Full Auto. Anything that fires more than ONE round with a single pull of the trigger.
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    It was pure luck that it didn't get stolen while the car was parked. What criminal wouldn't like to get their hands on it! That concerns me more than the dumbass that left it on the trunk lid, although that concerns me as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hermannr View Post
    M16 and M4 are select fire, something you, as a civilian cannot posses. LE gets them from the military.

    You want to hear the sheep scream, just let them know SPD is running around with fully automatic weapons on the trunk.

    Change the subject a bit...who do you think is in deeper doo doo? The lady LT that was driving around with the weapon on her trunk lid? Or the poor patrol officer who was signed for the weapon?

    I know, if it was lost, the patrol officer would be in deeper, but it was not lost...

    I think this is a good example of how, even "scary" weapons do not go on rampages and kill people, don't you? The weapon did nothing, shot nobody, the good citizens of Seattle did not steal it....
    LE get automatic firearms the same place the military gets them. From the manufacturers, don't they?

    WE can get automatic firearms from other automatic firearms owners, as long as they were in private hands (i.e., not military or LE) prior to 1986, iirc.


    As a civilian, I CAN own an M-16 that is not current manufacture.

    Transferable machine guns made or registered before May-19th 1986 are worth far more than their original, pre-1986 value. And items like registered “auto-sears,” “lightning-links,” trigger-packs, trunnions, and other “combination of parts” registered as machineguns before the aforementioned date are often worth nearly as much as a full registered machine gun. For instance, as of September 2008, a transferable M16 rifle costs approximately $11,000 to $18,000, while a transferable "lightning-link" for the AR-15 can sell for $8,000 to $10,000. New manufacture M-16s sell to law enforcement and the military for around $600 to $1000.
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    Transferring requires a $200 tax for all NFA firearms except AOW's, for which the transfer tax is $5 (although the manufacturing tax remains $200).
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    The woman who drove off with it on her trunk needs to be disciplined for not going through proceadure and the man who forgot he put it there needs to be fired NOW! Inexcuseable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wrightme View Post
    As a civilian, I CAN own an M-16 that is not current manufacture.

    Not in WA, unless you're grandfathered in pre-1994. It's a state law (RCW 9.41.190), not Fed.
    RCW 9.41.190
    Unlawful firearms -- Exceptions.

    (1) It is unlawful for any person to manufacture, own, buy, sell, loan, furnish, transport, or have in possession or under control, any machine gun, short-barreled shotgun, or short-barreled rifle; or any part designed and intended solely and exclusively for use in a machine gun, short-barreled shotgun, or short-barreled rifle, or in converting a weapon into a machine gun, short-barreled shotgun, or short-barreled rifle; or to assemble or repair any machine gun, short-barreled shotgun, or short-barreled rifle.

    (2) This section shall not apply to:

    (a) Any peace officer in the discharge of official duty or traveling to or from official duty, or to any officer or member of the armed forces of the United States or the state of Washington in the discharge of official duty or traveling to or from official duty; or

    (b) A person, including an employee of such person if the employee has undergone fingerprinting and a background check, who or which is exempt from or licensed under federal law, and engaged in the production, manufacture, repair, or testing of machine guns, short-barreled shotguns, or short-barreled rifles:

    (i) To be used or purchased by the armed forces of the United States;

    (ii) To be used or purchased by federal, state, county, or municipal law enforcement agencies; or

    (iii) For exportation in compliance with all applicable federal laws and regulations.

    (3) It shall be an affirmative defense to a prosecution brought under this section that the machine gun, short-barreled shotgun, or short-barreled rifle was acquired prior to July 1, 1994, and is possessed in compliance with federal law.

    (4) Any person violating this section is guilty of a class C felony.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MSG Laigaie View Post
    I saw this on Q13 too. They commented several times that SPD did not know if the weapon was loaded. It seemed clear to me that a magazine was inserted in the well. Does SPD normally keep an EMPTY magazine in the weapons they use? I think not.
    #1: All guns are always loaded
    http://www.thegunzone.com/therules.html

    How many NRA rules did they break?
    http://www.nrahq.org/education/guide.asp

    Police = fail Someone needs to photoshop that pic and make it famous

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave_pro2a View Post
    #1: All guns are always loaded
    http://www.thegunzone.com/therules.html

    How many NRA rules did they break?
    http://www.nrahq.org/education/guide.asp

    Police = fail Someone needs to photoshop that pic and make it famous
    No, they are not.


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    Quote Originally Posted by wrightme View Post
    No, they are not.


    "Treat all guns as if they are loaded."
    Don't tell me, tell Jeff Cooper http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_safety

    There are a lot of variations of the basic gun rules, all essentially the same in content, intention and outcome.
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