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    Buy the man a Steak Dinner

    And then give him a marksmanship badge.

    An attempted escape from Clallam Bay Correctional Facility around 10:00 AM today:
    Kevin Newland, 25, was shot when he drove the forklift through the doors of the work area and into the perimeter fences, Department of Corrections spokesman Chad Lewis said.

    A correctional officer fired one shot at Newland, killing him, Lewis said.

    http://www.peninsuladailynews.com/ar...after-shooting

    Apparently the "Tacoma Mall Shooter" took an officer hostage at the same time, reason not explained.

    IMHO it's unfortunate that he too wasn't shot and killed.

    More info:

    http://blog.thenewstribune.com/crime...-prison-break/
    Last edited by amlevin; 06-29-2011 at 06:41 PM.
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    One Big Atta Boy's to all the Correctional Staff ! Now that is what I call a deterrent !
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    Really!!! How about a month off and some counseling? I know what you are saying and I understand the sentiment but seriously he just had to kill a man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orphan View Post
    Really!!! How about a month off and some counseling? I know what you are saying and I understand the sentiment but seriously he just had to kill a man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orphan View Post
    Really!!! How about a month off and some counseling? I know what you are saying and I understand the sentiment but seriously he just had to kill a man.
    ...A man who strangled a woman to death. Sorry, but I wouldn't have a moments hesitation doing the same thing the officer did and wouldn't lose a wink of sleep over it either. Newland choose to murder that woman and then choose to try and escape from prison. He risked is own life and lost on the gamble.
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    Guards that are placed in the position where they have to shoot an escaping felon more likely than not have had some psychological screening, not only to make sure that they will pull the trigger when necessary but also not fall apart if they do.

    I would think that if interviewed, and allowed to speak freely, most guards in this position wouldn't loose a wink of sleep over shooting some of those in their custody. The Courts have already found them guilty of the crimes they were charged with. They are placed in the high security locations based on their behavior and likelihood they will be a danger to others.

    These aren't nice people behind those bars and fencing. There is no question of killing an innocent person here, just a case of "one less waste of DNA".

    You're right, I should re-think my statement. Not just a Steak Dinner and Medal, Make that a month at a nice resort to "recuperate". He did society a favor. One that more guards than you know would be more than happy to step up and perform given the proper circumstance.

    On a side note: I was driving past San Quentin back in the early 90's. Noticed some Rifle Range silhouette targets across the road from the prison wall and tower. They were facing the prison. Apparently the guards in the tower occasionally used them for practice from their duty stations. Prisoners there are well aware that crossing the "Dead Line" means just that.
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    Amlevin I am quite aware of how vile this guy was. I am not questining the legality of shooting him or the neccessity, I 100% support what was done no 2nd thoughts at all from me.

    Celebrating someones death anyones death by buying a "Steak Dinner" for the shooter is simply not OK with me. I dont see how this pertains to OC and I dont see how this thread helps carry our movement forward. I do see how this thread gives ammo to the antis.

    This is my last post here on OC for a while, Im going to give it a break and I am going to give OC a break for a while. More and more OCDO is moving off topic and more and more I see stuff that I dont want to be associated with. Those that have my email and/or phone please feel free to contact me if you need the banner etc.

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    I would even throw in a Lobster tail!! Btw i am still OCing, does that make it ok to post Orphan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tacitus42 View Post
    I would even throw in a Lobster tail!! Btw i am still OCing, does that make it ok to post Orphan?
    No but it does make you look like a fool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orphan View Post

    Celebrating someones death anyones death by buying a "Steak Dinner" for the shooter is simply not OK with me. .
    Or you can view it from the point of rewarding someone in an official capacity for doing his job well, which is increasingly rare today in many government run agencies. This officer not only did his job, he was very effective in doing so and his actions will have a lasting effect on those he is guarding the public from.

    He'll be "second-guessed" enough by the flaming lib's out there but not from me.
    "If I shoot all the ammo I am carrying I either won't need anymore or more won't help"

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    Quote Originally Posted by amlevin View Post
    Or you can view it from the point of rewarding someone in an official capacity for doing his job well, which is increasingly rare today in many government run agencies. This officer not only did his job, he was very effective in doing so and his actions will have a lasting effect on those he is guarding the public from.

    He'll be "second-guessed" enough by the flaming lib's out there but not from me.
    Perhaps a redirect of the reward to say
    "Well done efficient use of state provided ammunition"
    Now we have a more PC statement

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tacitus42 View Post
    sorry i didnt know posts had to be gogodick approved
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tacitus42 View Post
    sorry i didnt know posts had to be gogodick approved
    That is a childish sounding response. Anyone ever tell you to respect your elders Mr 4 posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tacitus42 View Post
    sorry i didnt know posts had to be gogodick approved
    Are you serious? You sound like a third grader.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeak View Post
    Are you serious? You sound like a third grader.
    My daughter has barely hit Kindergarten, and she exhibits less childish behavior than this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tacitus42 View Post
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    Out to make new friends and influence people, are ya?
    How's that working out for ya?
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    Is this a new forum member? Or an old Forum member that has created a new account so he can be a horse's butt and toss out a few personal attacks that he didn't have the gonads to do under his existing screen persona?

    Too bad he hasn't learned that when you disagree with someones comments, you either toss it back in a civil manner or just ignore and move on.

    Does raise the question as to whether he has the maturity and impulse control necessary to carry a firearm, open or concealed.
    Last edited by amlevin; 07-03-2011 at 10:19 AM.
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    A fork lift? Seriously?

    Part of an escape requires not getting caught... you can't hide or be subtle with a fork lift! Then again maybe he saw it in a movie somewhere.

    There you go, blame it on movie night!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dem0072 View Post
    A fork lift? Seriously?

    Part of an escape requires not getting caught... you can't hide or be subtle with a fork lift! Then again maybe he saw it in a movie somewhere.

    There you go, blame it on movie night!
    Don't know about it being in a movie but I recently read where a forklift was used to break into a building. It was in a novel by Vince Flynn.

    Got to admit it is effective at opening a door when one doesn't have the key. Not subtle but effective
    "If I shoot all the ammo I am carrying I either won't need anymore or more won't help"

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    Quote Originally Posted by amlevin View Post
    Don't know about it being in a movie but I recently read where a forklift was used to break into a building. It was in a novel by Vince Flynn.

    Got to admit it is effective at opening a door when one doesn't have the key. Not subtle but effective
    lol, yup.

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