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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunslinger View Post
    The fact that the tape was stolen is criminal obstruction of justice and conspiracy, in all likelihood. They have no case against you, from what you have posted. You, on the other hand, have an exellent case against them with the above theft. 18 USC 241 makes for interesting reading.
    I don't have any idea how I could prove the theft since my computer tech person was unable to find anything. There are cams in the detention center, but no recording of what the cops were doing to my belongings while I was cuffed and sitting in the back of a police car. The arresting cop was out of my sight when he went through my belongings.

    Our trial in NLV is July 26th at 1:00 p.m. Should be interesting if I get convicted in this court of nonrecord. The good news is the prosecution is not seeking jail time. Therefore, an appeal to District Court will most certainly be forthcoming.
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    Wow.... I hope everything works out for you.
    I worked in NLV for a couple of years (up at the CCSN Cheyenne Campus), and the amount of criminal activity there was rampant. Certain areas of that city are just "ick"..but that still doesn't explain or condone the actions of the LEO's. Some of the craziness there is one of the reasons why I moved away and to Indiana.
    Good luck to both of you.
    I agree with some of the other posters. If this is found in your favor, then get your lawyer to sue the ever loving **** out of the city and the NLVPD. Sounds like they need it.

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    Always have an expert in data recovery do the work, DO NOT DO IT YOURSELF. The credibility of the person doing the work is one reason, that you have an interest in the case is another.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Murphy View Post
    Wow.... I hope everything works out for you.
    I worked in NLV for a couple of years (up at the CCSN Cheyenne Campus), and the amount of criminal activity there was rampant. Certain areas of that city are just "ick"..but that still doesn't explain or condone the actions of the LEO's. Some of the craziness there is one of the reasons why I moved away and to Indiana.
    Good luck to both of you.
    I agree with some of the other posters. If this is found in your favor, then get your lawyer to sue the ever loving **** out of the city and the NLVPD. Sounds like they need it.

    Keep us informed...

    Thank you, Murphy. The City of NLV is having severe financial problems. The City Atty resigned citing "political climate" as the reason. He also said the City is in the midst of many law suits. The one everyone knows about is the unions suing the City for layoffs. I wouldn't be surprised if there are many citizens suing for violations of their rights and police abuse. When my friends tell me we wouldn't get any money from the City because of their financial problems my response is: (1) they should have insurance; (2) We'll happily take their assets.

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    NLV Trials July 26, 1:30 p.m.

    My son and I have trials at the NLV Muni Court on Tues, July 26 at 1:30. His last name is Bolton - so he'll be one of the first trials since they go alphabetically. Mine is Gonzalez, so I'll be somewhere in the middle. We suspect an NRA rep that attended the arraignment will be present. We shared my son's opening statement with the rep and she was surprised this was an open carry case - she thought he was concealing and that he had a conceal permit. Wrong on both counts.

    If anyone wants to attend, be advised this is a court of non record. That means all proceedings are done in virtual anonymity. I suspect that is I witnessed the recently retired Judge Vanlandschoot say during one of his hearings that "the law does not matter in my court."

    The courthouse has very strict rules about electronic devices. Absolutely no recorders, no cell phones, nothing allowed that would enable any person to record anything within the walls of that courthouse - whatsoever. Take a pad and pen if you'd like to take notes.

    Also, with it being hot, women must wear sleeves; no shorts for anyone, or flip flops to get into any of the courtrooms. Appropriate dressing required.

    Since this is a court of non record, my son and I fully expect to get convictions - that's just how it is. It's crucial for their budget to dish out fines. In fact, the prosecutor said during my arraignment that she was not seeking jail time for me. (Don't know about my son.) If convicted, we'll both appeal to the District Court for a trial de novo.

    One would think that the public is allowed to sit in any of these trials, but there is a good chance that a bailiff will ask you what your business is. You might get escorted out if you say you're just there to watch. So tell them you're there as friends of Carlos Bolton - or Lillian Gonzalez.

    Please find us and introduce yourselves to us.

    fyi, with as bad as their economy is, I wouldn't be surprised if the trials get continued.
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    Any way to get it moved into a court "where law" matters?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VW_Factor View Post
    Any way to get it moved into a court "where law" matters?
    Probably too late now. The good news is that I consider trials in this court as a sort of "dress rehearsal." If convicted it's a complete do-over. So if you screwed up the first one you have a chance to fix it in a court that "matters." If, however, it gets continued, that's a good question to ask. Also, I need to find out what the rules are for a jury trial.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TigerLily View Post
    My son and I have trials at the NLV Muni Court on Tues, July 26 at 1:30. His last name is Bolton - so he'll be one of the first trials since they go alphabetically. Mine is Gonzalez, so I'll be somewhere in the middle. We suspect an NRA rep that attended the arraignment will be present. We shared my son's opening statement with the rep and she was surprised this was an open carry case - she thought he was concealing and that he had a conceal permit. Wrong on both counts.

    If anyone wants to attend, be advised this is a court of non record. That means all proceedings are done in virtual anonymity. I suspect that is I witnessed the recently retired Judge Vanlandschoot say during one of his hearings that "the law does not matter in my court."

    The courthouse has very strict rules about electronic devices. Absolutely no recorders, no cell phones, nothing allowed that would enable any person to record anything within the walls of that courthouse - whatsoever. Take a pad and pen if you'd like to take notes.

    Also, with it being hot, women must wear sleeves; no shorts for anyone, or flip flops to get into any of the courtrooms. Appropriate dressing required.

    Since this is a court of non record, my son and I fully expect to get convictions - that's just how it is. It's crucial for their budget to dish out fines. In fact, the prosecutor said during my arraignment that she was not seeking jail time for me. (Don't know about my son.) If convicted, we'll both appeal to the District Court for a trial de novo.

    One would think that the public is allowed to sit in any of these trials, but there is a good chance that a bailiff will ask you what your business is. You might get escorted out if you say you're just there to watch. So tell them you're there as friends of Carlos Bolton - or Lillian Gonzalez.

    Please find us and introduce yourselves to us.

    fyi, with as bad as their economy is, I wouldn't be surprised if the trials get continued.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunslinger View Post
    In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and >>>>>>>>>>>>public>>>>>>>>>>>>> trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence
    And there, ladies and gentlemen, you have it. This type of closed court is what I've heard defined as "the second set of books" to which ONLY those in authority abide. We the people (aka - mere mortals) are beholding to those in power who rule over us -- not based the FIRST set of rules, e.g., the Constitution and law - but rather, their OWN "second set of books."

    This whole closed court thing has been a bone of contention for me. After this trial is behind me I will be making some noise to City Hall about this. But as a reporter who has been in that court a number of times covering various motorcycle-related trials, I am here to say (and Don't Tread on Me can validate) that that courthouse is extremely closed to the public.
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    When a bailiff asked me what the nature of my being in the courthouse was, I couldn't recall the name of the person on trial (he went by a motorcycle club pseudoname) so I confessed I was a reporter. He demanded a badge or a card or a magazine to show the judge and see if he'll let me stay. I asked if there was a law preventing me to be there as a private citizen and he said, "It's up to the judge's discretion. All the people from the news stations identify themselves. The judge needs to know."

    As for "speedy trial," good luck with that. The system is overloaded with cases - mostly petty, nonviolent cases of people not being able to pay their fines in this economy. In fact, when I was in the holding tank, despite the fact that my husband had paid for both my son's and my bail within 4 hours, we sat there (apart) for 24 hours - no charges; no Miranda rights issued; no rights other than a phone to be shared by the ladies in the tank with me (and the men in the holding tank with my son). I knew I didn't need a TB test, for example and I asked what would happen if I refused and was told by both a licensed practical nurse and a guard that I would only be hurting myself because they can make life miserable for me. They could have held me up to 72 hours.

    Does anyone buy this ******** of the land of the free?
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    As per the 6th Amendment I will say I am a Member of the public. and leave it at that. So if I get kicked out, the first thing you tell the judge that you want on the (non) record is that you object to a non public trial. and watch how quick they get me in there lol

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    please reply back asap. I have tues/july 26th off. I'd love to come down to courthouse. Can i wear my empty holster? Help me with all the ammo I may need.

    I am a friend of Mr bolton and Ms gonzalez.

    I am a character witness of mr bolten and ms gonzalez?

    Mr dont tread on me. I'm sure you'll be there. Help me help you guys. armed with nothing more than wanting to help other law abiding citizens who gradually follow these posts...pm me...arm me...i'll be there. 1pm is an AWESOME time especially! hah i dont wake up early.

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    They forced you to a tb test? did they give you and your son a ppd test? its a subdural injection that reacts to the teburculosis disease within a few days.

    Its a shot...an injection...to me that SCREAMS invasive. Don't get me wong, I know the OTHER end of forceful or threatening treatment. I myself...2 days ago, condeced to a federal agents demands, without warrent, under durress....(pm me for more!). In jail; that's gotta be amped up 10 fold. I know i was sweating **** stains in my yah well this forum is clean....so i'm just curious did they stick you with needles...I had to take a ppd recently, i volunteered...wanna know how it went for you two!

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    I searched the court calendar and couldn't find you.

    Maybe you were dismissed.

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    Sorry to those who couldn't find us.

    My son did a super kick-ass job. The judge said he would render his judgement in two weeks. He appears to realize that the NLV anti-gun ordinance is bigger than just my little ol' son. The judge was reasonable - much better than the retired judge/cop. I was very impressed with him - despite the fact that he found me guilty and fined $1000. It's always nice to get a glass of wine and a little lube before bending over. But seriously, he gave me an opportunity to continue to learn through the appeal process - and thankfully, my brilliant husband was there to advise me of where I went wrong. The armchair quarterbacking is appreciated cause it's meant to grow.

    My son's trial lasted 3 hours and mine lasted one. The good news about my conviction is that I get to do a do-over in District Court. Hopefully I learned a few things - and it was a great experience for my two helmet trials that I have scheduled coming up soon. And I learned who my strongest witnesses were.

    Bottom line, I think the Judge is one who believes police officer safety trumps people's rights (which is why he convicted me.) The prosecution did a better job of articulating the "danger" I posed by getting too close to the scene of the crime (100 feet). It didn't matter that I was unarmed and that my only "crime" was my refusal to "obey" an unlawful order. NRS 171.123 was cited as what I had violated by refusing to give my name.

    NRS 171.123 Temporary detention by peace officer of person suspected of criminal behavior or of violating conditions of parole or probation: Limitations.

    1. Any peace officer may detain any person whom the officer encounters under circumstances which reasonably indicate that the person has committed, is committing or is about to commit a crime.


    My "crime" was my refusal to obey there "lawful" order. I argued that being told to stay 100 yards away was NOT a lawful order, therefore there was no legal reason by which I was required to give them my name.

    I'll keep you posted as to my son's verdict regarding his 2A.

    In the prosecutor's closing arguments, she (an African American) said that police officers have the RIGHT to order citizens to do things to keep them (the cops) safe, and that we need to (she used the word...) OBEY their commands.

    At the top of my own argument (having inadvertently disregarded the fact that the prosecutor was African American) I said, "I'm sure there are those at one time who believed Rosa Park should have shut up and obeyed her masters to sit at the back of the bus.

    In her follow-up, she was quick to say that she was a descendent of Rosa Parks - but she was gracious not to take offense at my analogy. Instead, she called me an anarchist. LOL!

    This was a tremendous experience - and I'm looking forward to meeting with my accuser again in the appeal

    What a rush!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TigerLily View Post

    In her follow-up, she was quick to say that she was a descendent of Rosa Parks - but she was gracious not to take offense at my analogy. Instead, she called me an anarchist. LOL!
    Oh please what is her name? This would be all too easy to look up.Which we should do. Because if she lied then she needs to lose her job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegassteve View Post
    Oh please what is her name? This would be all too easy to look up.Which we should do. Because if she lied then she needs to lose her job.
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    That would be a serious offense for an officer of the court to do that. Does it reach the level of perjury?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegassteve View Post
    Oh please what is her name? This would be all too easy to look up.Which we should do. Because if she lied then she needs to lose her job.

    According to the docket info that I just looked up, it appears it's DOCKTER ESQ, SHARON Y - DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY:

    I did a google search and couldn't come up with a pic, but she appears to be involved in an African American charity-type project.

    I don't know how a closing statement comment would be deemed perjury.

    Here's the link to the details: https://www.cityofnorthlasvegas.com/...ket_lst?617683

    I'm glad I took a look at my docket list. My hubby said my fine was $1000 - but I only heard the judge say $500 plus court costs and the online data seems to support the $500 - so hopefully that's correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by We-the-People View Post
    + 1,000,000
    That would be a serious offense for an officer of the court to do that. Does it reach the level of perjury?
    I don't see how it would reach the level of perjury, since closing statements are pretty much subjective opinions and she didn't swear an oath. She is, however bound by lawyer ethics. I'd have to look it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TigerLily View Post
    In her follow-up, she was quick to say that she was a descendent of Rosa Parks - but she was gracious not to take offense at my analogy.
    Oh, really?

    Rosa Parks and her husband had no children. There are no descendents of Rosa Parks.

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    I've searched and while I can't find anything (scholarly) that says she "had no children", I also can't find anything that says she did. Kind of like the law, kind of hard to find something that doesn't exist.

    So the gal lied, as an officer of the court, in court. That should at least draw a complaint to the bar assoc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KBCraig View Post
    Oh, really?

    Rosa Parks and her husband had no children. There are no descendents of Rosa Parks.
    Don't know one way or the other but, Could she and her husband have adopted a child or two?

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    Quote Originally Posted by We-the-People View Post
    I've searched and while I can't find anything (scholarly) that says she "had no children", I also can't find anything that says she did.
    I don't know what your standard for "scholarly" is, but every biography that mentions children says she had none. She had a number of nieces and nephews via her only sibling (a sister), but no children of her own, either by birth or adoption.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wrightme View Post
    Unless OC is denied by statute, there is no reason to have statute permitting OC.

    Laws deny activities. If there is no law making something illegal, that something is legal.
    NO people in Mississippi should find themselves in "hot water" for not breaking laws.

    And, PLEASE do not ask this same question in multiple Nevada threads as you have done in the Mississippi forums. You have received many good, accurate, and useful responses to this question already. Your single-minded "need" to see a statute "allowing" open carry simply misses the point.


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    The verdict...

    The judge called for a conference to schedule points and authorities briefings.

    My son said he could have his ready in a week. The prosecutor whined that he needed 30 days.

    Deadline for the briefs was Oct 8th. On the 6th the prosecution submitted theirs'. Basically what they did was to take the Haines case and substitute my son's name onto it. My son submitted his brief on the 7th. When the prosecution saw my son's brief, the prosecution requested that the gun charge be dismissed.

    Today the verdict was posted online. In a nutshell:

    Gun charge - dismissed (son asked for an injunction against the City of NLV against the gun ordinance - but of course this was not addressed)
    Having more than one valid drivers license - NOT GUILTY
    Tinted windows - GUILTY (there is a note that he served three days jail for that charge - but my son and I each served 24 hours.)
    Aggressive Driving - GUILTY - $250 fine (plus fees.)

    He'll be taking two fives and two ones to appeal to District Court.

    My own conviction for "obstruction" is being appealed and my arraignment will be in Judge Mosley's Court on 9/22.

    p.s. How is it even possible that the prosecutor can be allowed to dismiss a charge after it "rested?" Shouldn't the judge have found him NOT GUILTY of the gun charge?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TigerLily View Post
    The judge called for a conference to schedule points and authorities briefings.

    My son said he could have his ready in a week. The prosecutor whined that he needed 30 days.

    Deadline for the briefs was Oct 8th. On the 6th the prosecution submitted theirs'. Basically what they did was to take the Haines case and substitute my son's name onto it. My son submitted his brief on the 7th. When the prosecution saw my son's brief, the prosecution requested that the gun charge be dismissed.

    Today the verdict was posted online. In a nutshell:

    Gun charge - dismissed (son asked for an injunction against the City of NLV against the gun ordinance - but of course this was not addressed)
    Having more than one valid drivers license - NOT GUILTY
    Tinted windows - GUILTY (there is a note that he served three days jail for that charge - but my son and I each served 24 hours.)
    Aggressive Driving - GUILTY - $250 fine (plus fees.)

    He'll be taking two fives and two ones to appeal to District Court.

    My own conviction for "obstruction" is being appealed and my arraignment will be in Judge Mosley's Court on 9/22.

    p.s. How is it even possible that the prosecutor can be allowed to dismiss a charge after it "rested?" Shouldn't the judge have found him NOT GUILTY of the gun charge?


    As far as the gun charge goes, in that it was a clear violation of the N. Las Vegas ordinance, the fact that they dropped it shows they know they are on very shaky ground under state law. I'm not sure that a NG ruling would have helped except to be able to appeal it. The judge in making a determination that the law was not valid, would have had to dismiss the charge as I don't think you can be found NG of something that is not valid. The choice for them was either take a chance that the judge would rule the ordinance invalid, have the judge rule guilty and then loose on appeal, or do what they did in dropping it and living to fight another day. Just my opinion. They sure seem to want to keep it on the books regardless of being able to enforce it with those who know of preemption. They are just hoping to use it against the unsuspecting. A ruling by a judge against the city ordinance might have consequences against County ordinances as well and they don't want to open that can of worms either.

    Perhaps at some point you can post your son's brief so we can all see what scared them, in that I'm sure someone else is going to run afoul of N.L.V. in the future.

    Good luck on your appeals.

    TBG
    Life member GOA and NRA. Member of SAF, NAGR, TXGR and Cast Bullet Assoc.

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