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My Son Was Arrested in North Las Vegas

The Big Guy

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Is there a law or laws on the books which permits the open carry of a handgun in Nevada?

The reason I ask is because, some people here in Mississippi open carry...but there is no clearly defined law, ordinance, or code on the law books which actually permit open carry. As a result, some open carry folks find themselves in hot water from time to time in Mississippi.

There is no law on the books that gives permission to open carry firearms in Nevada. There is no law authorizing the attending of church on Sunday morning either. Therefore these Constitutionally protected activities are clearly legal. If people are being hassled in Mississippi for exercising their Constitutionally protected rights with no other state or local law on the books then the police are acting under color of authority and are clearly engaging in illegal activities.

TBG
 

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Is there a law or laws on the books which permits the open carry of a handgun in Nevada?

The reason I ask is because, some people here in Mississippi open carry...but there is no clearly defined law, ordinance, or code on the law books which actually permit open carry. As a result, some open carry folks find themselves in hot water from time to time in Mississippi.
Unless OC is denied by statute, there is no reason to have statute permitting OC.

Laws deny activities. If there is no law making something illegal, that something is legal.
NO people in Mississippi should find themselves in "hot water" for not breaking laws.

And, PLEASE do not ask this same question in multiple Nevada threads as you have done in the Mississippi forums. You have received many good, accurate, and useful responses to this question already. Your single-minded "need" to see a statute "allowing" open carry simply misses the point.
 
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Here is a link to free software that is used to recover data from hard disks, and memory cards. I have personally used this software and have had good results. Not sure how it will work if you had a memory card in a camera and deleted from that camera.

Its free none the less and worth a shot to see if you can get the lost video yourself.

http://www.snapfiles.com/get/restoration.HTML

If you need any help with the program please feel free to PM me.
 

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Here is a link to free software that is used to recover data from hard disks, and memory cards. I have personally used this software and have had good results. Not sure how it will work if you had a memory card in a camera and deleted from that camera.

Its free none the less and worth a shot to see if you can get the lost video yourself.

http://www.snapfiles.com/get/restoration.HTML

If you need any help with the program please feel free to PM me.

Don't do this.

The data is an important goal, but not the most important one. The time and date that the data was erased, if it can be shown to have been done in police custody, is the most important goal. An outside independent expert is needed here for this to be useful legally, not some PC jockey.

No offense.
 

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Don't do this.

The data is an important goal, but not the most important one. The time and date that the data was erased, if it can be shown to have been done in police custody, is the most important goal. An outside independent expert is needed here for this to be useful legally, not some PC jockey.

No offense.

Wow! I did not know about this technology. I hope it's not too late to see when the data was erased. It was a cheap camera - but it did a great job to capture the cops that handcuffed me for 56 minutes. I'm afraid that since it was a cheap cam, and one that I never entered the date or time into it, that it's likely the info is gone. This exercise and your comments have given me great info so I know how to deal with this in the future. (Cause since my husband didn't freak out over my 24 hour arrest, I'll probably keep pushing.)

I also just invested in some spyware. My plan is to have a phone cam and turn in off when unlawfully ordered to do so, and have my spyware keep rolling. Eventually, I'd like to get that spyware to go right to the internet as a backup.

Thanks for all the tips.
 

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Don't do this.

The data is an important goal, but not the most important one. The time and date that the data was erased, if it can be shown to have been done in police custody, is the most important goal. An outside independent expert is needed here for this to be useful legally, not some PC jockey.

No offense.

What do you think a PC jockey is? lol
 

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I also just invested in some spyware. My plan is to have a phone cam and turn in off when unlawfully ordered to do so, and have my spyware keep rolling. Eventually, I'd like to get that spyware to go right to the internet as a backup.

Thanks for all the tips.


The folks at copblock.org do this. They use ustream and QIK I think.
 

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During discovery, demand the video from the prosecution. When they don't produce it, file a motion to compel discovery of exculpatory evidence. Include a copy of your jail booking inventory, which lists the camera, and explain it was recording at the time you were arrested.

The fact that the tape was stolen is criminal obstruction of justice and conspiracy, in all likelihood. They have no case against you, from what you have posted. You, on the other hand, have an exellent case against them with the above theft. 18 USC 241 makes for interesting reading.
 

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Don't do this.

The data is an important goal, but not the most important one. The time and date that the data was erased, if it can be shown to have been done in police custody, is the most important goal. An outside independent expert is needed here for this to be useful legally, not some PC jockey.

No offense.

The willful and knowing destruction of exculpatory evidence. It would be a wonderful thing to prove!
 

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The fact that the tape was stolen is criminal obstruction of justice and conspiracy, in all likelihood. They have no case against you, from what you have posted. You, on the other hand, have an exellent case against them with the above theft. 18 USC 241 makes for interesting reading.

I don't have any idea how I could prove the theft since my computer tech person was unable to find anything. There are cams in the detention center, but no recording of what the cops were doing to my belongings while I was cuffed and sitting in the back of a police car. The arresting cop was out of my sight when he went through my belongings.

Our trial in NLV is July 26th at 1:00 p.m. Should be interesting if I get convicted in this court of nonrecord. The good news is the prosecution is not seeking jail time. Therefore, an appeal to District Court will most certainly be forthcoming.
 

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Wow.... I hope everything works out for you.
I worked in NLV for a couple of years (up at the CCSN Cheyenne Campus), and the amount of criminal activity there was rampant. Certain areas of that city are just "ick"..but that still doesn't explain or condone the actions of the LEO's. Some of the craziness there is one of the reasons why I moved away and to Indiana.
Good luck to both of you.
I agree with some of the other posters. If this is found in your favor, then get your lawyer to sue the ever loving **** out of the city and the NLVPD. Sounds like they need it.

Keep us informed...
 

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Always have an expert in data recovery do the work, DO NOT DO IT YOURSELF. The credibility of the person doing the work is one reason, that you have an interest in the case is another.
 

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Wow.... I hope everything works out for you.
I worked in NLV for a couple of years (up at the CCSN Cheyenne Campus), and the amount of criminal activity there was rampant. Certain areas of that city are just "ick"..but that still doesn't explain or condone the actions of the LEO's. Some of the craziness there is one of the reasons why I moved away and to Indiana.
Good luck to both of you.
I agree with some of the other posters. If this is found in your favor, then get your lawyer to sue the ever loving **** out of the city and the NLVPD. Sounds like they need it.

Keep us informed...


Thank you, Murphy. The City of NLV is having severe financial problems. The City Atty resigned citing "political climate" as the reason. He also said the City is in the midst of many law suits. The one everyone knows about is the unions suing the City for layoffs. I wouldn't be surprised if there are many citizens suing for violations of their rights and police abuse. When my friends tell me we wouldn't get any money from the City because of their financial problems my response is: (1) they should have insurance; (2) We'll happily take their assets.

Thanks for posting.
 

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NLV Trials July 26, 1:30 p.m.

My son and I have trials at the NLV Muni Court on Tues, July 26 at 1:30. His last name is Bolton - so he'll be one of the first trials since they go alphabetically. Mine is Gonzalez, so I'll be somewhere in the middle. We suspect an NRA rep that attended the arraignment will be present. We shared my son's opening statement with the rep and she was surprised this was an open carry case - she thought he was concealing and that he had a conceal permit. Wrong on both counts.

If anyone wants to attend, be advised this is a court of non record. That means all proceedings are done in virtual anonymity. I suspect that is I witnessed the recently retired Judge Vanlandschoot say during one of his hearings that "the law does not matter in my court."

The courthouse has very strict rules about electronic devices. Absolutely no recorders, no cell phones, nothing allowed that would enable any person to record anything within the walls of that courthouse - whatsoever. Take a pad and pen if you'd like to take notes.

Also, with it being hot, women must wear sleeves; no shorts for anyone, or flip flops to get into any of the courtrooms. Appropriate dressing required.

Since this is a court of non record, my son and I fully expect to get convictions - that's just how it is. It's crucial for their budget to dish out fines. In fact, the prosecutor said during my arraignment that she was not seeking jail time for me. (Don't know about my son.) If convicted, we'll both appeal to the District Court for a trial de novo.

One would think that the public is allowed to sit in any of these trials, but there is a good chance that a bailiff will ask you what your business is. You might get escorted out if you say you're just there to watch. So tell them you're there as friends of Carlos Bolton - or Lillian Gonzalez.

Please find us and introduce yourselves to us.

fyi, with as bad as their economy is, I wouldn't be surprised if the trials get continued.
 

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Any way to get it moved into a court "where law" matters?

Probably too late now. The good news is that I consider trials in this court as a sort of "dress rehearsal." If convicted it's a complete do-over. So if you screwed up the first one you have a chance to fix it in a court that "matters." If, however, it gets continued, that's a good question to ask. Also, I need to find out what the rules are for a jury trial.
 

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My son and I have trials at the NLV Muni Court on Tues, July 26 at 1:30. His last name is Bolton - so he'll be one of the first trials since they go alphabetically. Mine is Gonzalez, so I'll be somewhere in the middle. We suspect an NRA rep that attended the arraignment will be present. We shared my son's opening statement with the rep and she was surprised this was an open carry case - she thought he was concealing and that he had a conceal permit. Wrong on both counts.

If anyone wants to attend, be advised this is a court of non record. That means all proceedings are done in virtual anonymity. I suspect that is I witnessed the recently retired Judge Vanlandschoot say during one of his hearings that "the law does not matter in my court."

The courthouse has very strict rules about electronic devices. Absolutely no recorders, no cell phones, nothing allowed that would enable any person to record anything within the walls of that courthouse - whatsoever. Take a pad and pen if you'd like to take notes.

Also, with it being hot, women must wear sleeves; no shorts for anyone, or flip flops to get into any of the courtrooms. Appropriate dressing required.

Since this is a court of non record, my son and I fully expect to get convictions - that's just how it is. It's crucial for their budget to dish out fines. In fact, the prosecutor said during my arraignment that she was not seeking jail time for me. (Don't know about my son.) If convicted, we'll both appeal to the District Court for a trial de novo.

One would think that the public is allowed to sit in any of these trials, but there is a good chance that a bailiff will ask you what your business is. You might get escorted out if you say you're just there to watch. So tell them you're there as friends of Carlos Bolton - or Lillian Gonzalez.

Please find us and introduce yourselves to us.

fyi, with as bad as their economy is, I wouldn't be surprised if the trials get continued.

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and >>>>>>>>>>>>public>>>>>>>>>>>>> trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence
 

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In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and >>>>>>>>>>>>public>>>>>>>>>>>>> trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence

And there, ladies and gentlemen, you have it. This type of closed court is what I've heard defined as "the second set of books" to which ONLY those in authority abide. We the people (aka - mere mortals) are beholding to those in power who rule over us -- not based the FIRST set of rules, e.g., the Constitution and law - but rather, their OWN "second set of books."

This whole closed court thing has been a bone of contention for me. After this trial is behind me I will be making some noise to City Hall about this. But as a reporter who has been in that court a number of times covering various motorcycle-related trials, I am here to say (and Don't Tread on Me can validate) that that courthouse is extremely closed to the public. [URL="http://tigerlilsblog.blogspot.com/2010/12/price-of-patch.html"]
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When a bailiff asked me what the nature of my being in the courthouse was, I couldn't recall the name of the person on trial (he went by a motorcycle club pseudoname) so I confessed I was a reporter. He demanded a badge or a card or a magazine to show the judge and see if he'll let me stay. I asked if there was a law preventing me to be there as a private citizen and he said, "It's up to the judge's discretion. All the people from the news stations identify themselves. The judge needs to know."

As for "speedy trial," good luck with that. The system is overloaded with cases - mostly petty, nonviolent cases of people not being able to pay their fines in this economy. In fact, when I was in the holding tank, despite the fact that my husband had paid for both my son's and my bail within 4 hours, we sat there (apart) for 24 hours - no charges; no Miranda rights issued; no rights other than a phone to be shared by the ladies in the tank with me (and the men in the holding tank with my son). I knew I didn't need a TB test, for example and I asked what would happen if I refused and was told by both a licensed practical nurse and a guard that I would only be hurting myself because they can make life miserable for me. They could have held me up to 72 hours.

Does anyone buy this ******** of the land of the free?
 

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As per the 6th Amendment I will say I am a Member of the public. and leave it at that. So if I get kicked out, the first thing you tell the judge that you want on the (non) record is that you object to a non public trial. and watch how quick they get me in there lol
 
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