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    Parents fighting Firearm Range next to school (Waterbury)

    Source: http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/l...124829799.html

    Just feet away from Sprague Elementary School in Waterbury, target practice will soon commence.

    "We teach our kids to stay away from guns and to never play with them," said Lisa Lessard, "now they are going to put in a shooting range next to a school. We are giving our kids a mixed message."

    The Waterbury Zoning commission recently approved plans to put a firing range in the basement of a building next door. Outraged parents are now firing off rounds of emails and letter to the city about it.

    "You never know if a bullet will accidentally come through a wall. It could hit one of the kids over here," said Brenda Farkash, a parent and resident of Waterbury

    The Superintendent even had a few choice words for the board saying "

    The man who owns the range, Brian Griffith, has assured the city the shooting range will be underground and the walls lined with steel plates. A state of the art air handling system will also be used. The school's principal says it's not enough.

    "I worry about the students. I think we'll have to take other precautions," said Donna Perreault, the principal of Sprague Elementary.

    Mayor Michael Jarjura says he is confident the commission made the right decision approving the plans. It's little consolation to parents who now have their sights set on closing the range before it opens.

    Parents have planned a rally at the school next Thursday at 10 a.m.

    At this point, it looks like the only options parents have is to file a land use appeal with Supreme Court in the next 15 days.
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    I am trying to remember all of the horrible incidents that have happened due to a shooting range being near by. I can't come up with anything. Shooting ranges are not dangerous by themselves and this one is completely underground.
    "When seconds count between living or dying, the police are only minutes away."

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    couldn't have said it any better

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    Howdy Folks!
    So the folks involved with the school want to fight this shooting range?
    Wouldn't be much of a fight, considering they're only armed with rhetoric! LOL!
    How dare they put a gun range so near a school, when it undermines the efforts of educators trying to indoctrinate kids to be good victims.

    Perhaps they forget... Columbine was a gun free zone too!

    Seems ironic that the school folks and parents don't want law abiding, taxpaying, citizens to exercise their 2nd amendment rights considering those same taxes pay for the school their kids attend freely!

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    My wife attended high school in Waterbury. She was on the school RIFLE TEAM back in the day. Imagine this: teenagers learning to shoot guns safely while at the same time being taught discipline and responsibility.
    Now, we have parents scared senseless because a range is not IN the school, but rather only NEAR it...

    Sigh...


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    Of all I've seen, heard and read on this range so far - I do find it entertaining.

    The range is separated from the school by a stream and a fence.

    Parents and teachers arguing bullets flying through walls and becoming a danger.

    Let me get this straight..... educators that have..... ummmm..... education are talking about bullets flying through walls, steel plated, underground as well, are talking about the dangers of accidents.

    Geeze, don't let the educators get a silly thing like physics stop them from a mythological argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beanoboy7 View Post
    Source: http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/l...124829799.html


    Parents have planned a rally at the school next Thursday at 10 a.m.

    At this point, it looks like the only options parents have is to file a land use appeal with Supreme Court in the next 15 days.
    Looks like a counter rally at the range is appropriate.

    Does anyone from CCDL monitor this site . . . Kix???
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    Though I am not on the board, I can get the word out a few ways. Contact the president and put something on the facebook group.

    Do we have any more info on the protest, like who is organizing it and such? A link to the organizers info would be helpful.

    I would indeed show up.

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    Rich B: My favorite argument against OC being legal in CT is "I have never seen someone OC in CT".
    I have never seen a person drink tea from a coke bottle while standing on their head, that doesn't mean it is illegal.

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    I'm just going by what the article said. For all I know that may be nonsense spouted to a journalist that has no grounding in reality.

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    Anyone interested in joining me at the event? I'm not going to OC at this as I really don't want to detract from the issue at hand and create a whole separate argument.

    I would like to start a counter protest in support of the range though.

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    Rich B: My favorite argument against OC being legal in CT is "I have never seen someone OC in CT".
    I have never seen a person drink tea from a coke bottle while standing on their head, that doesn't mean it is illegal.

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    I could probably attend. Have you been able to confirm in any way that they are planning to actually have a rally?

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    Is there a date/time/place?

    I will be carrying however I feel on that particular day like any other time.
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    I haven't heard a peep in the media yet. I was hoping something would show up in today (Wednesday's) news. I had the address of the school earlier (I posted it on the CCDL group on FB). I can get it again tomorrow when I'm home.

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    Rich B: My favorite argument against OC being legal in CT is "I have never seen someone OC in CT".
    I have never seen a person drink tea from a coke bottle while standing on their head, that doesn't mean it is illegal.

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    Here is the Sprague school address (given the close proximity, we can figure out the rest!).....

    1443 Thomaston Avenue
    Waterbury, CT 06704-1785

    Jonathan
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    Rich B: My favorite argument against OC being legal in CT is "I have never seen someone OC in CT".
    I have never seen a person drink tea from a coke bottle while standing on their head, that doesn't mean it is illegal.

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    Now the protest is being called a "meeting".

    Dunno what to make of it so far. See what develops today.

    Jonathan
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    Rich B: My favorite argument against OC being legal in CT is "I have never seen someone OC in CT".
    I have never seen a person drink tea from a coke bottle while standing on their head, that doesn't mean it is illegal.

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    Jonathan,
    I will be there in the morning.
    I agree that OC is not the issue here and could possibly send the wrong message.
    Also being so close to the school, who knows if we might end up on school property and actually be breaking the law by carrying.

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    Deleted because what I posted was incorrect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dcmdon View Post
    Actually the federal law is 1000 ft from a school, although its an unenforceable law and nobody has ever been charged under it, no sense pushing that one.
    The federal law does not apply to people with a state permit. There is no such thing as a 1000 ft GFSZ around a school in CT if you have a permit.
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    You are correct. I apologize for my error. I was talking to someone recently about how this makes felons out of Vermonters, who don't have or need a license from the state. And somehow my mind translated it to CT.

    I'll delete my previous post.

    Don

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcmdon View Post
    You are correct. I apologize for my error. I was talking to someone recently about how this makes felons out of Vermonters, who don't have or need a license from the state. And somehow my mind translated it to CT.
    Even in the context of VT, I have never heard of anyone actually convicted of the federal offense for simply carrying within 1000 ft of a school.

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    I explicitly said that nobody has ever been charged under this law. But that does not change anything.

    Any Vermonter with a gun within 1000 ft of a school is most likely committing a felony. Its as simple as that. Its a bad law and everyone knows it. Even the antigun people who are intellectually honest will admit this is a bad law.

    Crazy stuff. Remember this law was written and passed in a flurry of grandstanding in 1995 as a result of a highly publicized school shooting.

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    What a load of crap!

    "You never know if a bullet will accidentally come through a wall. It could hit one of the kids over here,"

    Kids are more likely to get struck by lightning or a drunk driver on the way to school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beanoboy7 View Post
    Source: http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/l...124829799.html

    "You never know if a bullet will accidentally come through a wall. It could hit one of the kids over here," said Brenda Farkash, a parent and resident of Waterbury.

    You never know if a CAR will accidentally come through a wall. It could hit one of the kids over here.

    Perhaps they should protest driveways, roads, or parking lots being placed next to schools.

    http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/201...r_fatal_c.html
    http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/lo...Under-Car.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joeygee23 View Post
    "You never know if a bullet will accidentally come through a wall. It could hit one of the kids over here,"

    Kids are more likely to get struck by lightning or a drunk driver on the way to school.
    I will make a crazy assumptions here (and yes I know what it means to assume---- beast of burden of u and me)... If approved the range will be required to meet certain zoning and/or construction standards either by the State's requirement AND/or the insurance carrier's requirement. These standards would most likely MINIMIZE the risk of this "what if" occurring! and IF it does occur hold the person responsible as allowed by legitimate CONSTITUTIONAL law!

    Don't get me started on my feelings about big brother sticking it's nose into what I can do with or on my PRIVATE PROPERTY!

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