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    Newbie to the Gun World here

    Hi all,

    I was just wondering what you guys' thoughts are on 18 year olds having handguns.

    I am 17, and will be turning 18 in a few months. I'm just trying to find out information so I can also enjoy the liberties enjoyed by others.

    I know that most people won't sell to someone under 21, or without a CCW. Why? If, from my demeanor and conversation you can infer that I will NOT do anything illegal with the firearm, other than fire it at the range and keep it under the pillow, what would be a good reason not to sell?

    I am really looking forward towards my 18th birthday, and if I find out that no one will sell me a handgun, well, someone's going to be bummed. A rifle is too big, so is a shotgun.

    So, what are your views on under 21 handgun sales/possesion. I would gladly offer my WADL#, fill out a bill of sale, do a FTF in a nonshady parking lot, and whatever else necessary to satisfy both the buyer and seller. I do see the reservation many sellers have with selling to under 21, but I can tell you, that some of us are more mature than others.

    Thanks for any input you guys can provide.

    Again, sorry it's not really a Open Carry question, but since this is the WA forum, I want to see what my neighbors think. Thanks

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    Demeaner and conversation mean little. Ted Bundy had a pleasing demeaner and was a great conversationalist. I'm for the constitution and law.

    Also, you write more like you're 37 than 17. Are you a reporter fishing for a story?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dadada View Post
    Demeaner and conversation mean little. Ted Bundy had a pleasing demeaner and was a great conversationalist. I'm for the constitution and law.

    Also, you write more like you're 37 than 17. Are you a reporter fishing for a story?
    I can assure of two things, I am no Ted Bundy, nor am I 37.

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    Talk with your Dad or an Uncle.

    Cooties, really sure that was not a 12 instead of 17?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDave View Post
    Talk with your Dad or an Uncle.

    Cooties, really sure that was not a 12 instead of 17?
    Oh sorry. I mean, DAMN THAT GIRL GOT ASS.

    Anyways, what do you mean talk with my dad or uncle? For them to buy me a gun, or the idea of me owning at 18?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gaarry View Post
    Hi all,

    So, what are your views on under 21 handgun sales/possesion. I would gladly offer my WADL#, fill out a bill of sale, do a FTF in a nonshady parking lot, and whatever else necessary to satisfy both the buyer and seller. I do see the reservation many sellers have with selling to under 21, but I can tell you, that some of us are more mature than others.
    Howdy Young'un!
    While I ain't a Washingtonian, I think the obvious question is whether it is legal for you to own a firearm under the laws of Washington state. If you cannot obtain a CCW permit until you are 21, or are not permitted to buy a handgun from a local gun shop, then you are likely looking to circumvent the law.

    Suggesting that somebody come forward to sell you a handgun, perhaps in violation of the law, sounds really questionable. Reminds me of young folks who will ask an older individual to buy them some beer because they can't. People who do so are likely to be arrested for contributing to the delinquency of a minor.

    Regardless of whether you are mature enough to handle a handgun, how versed are you on the laws regarding handgun possession, use and appropriate defense?

    Back when I was 18, I'd have loved to buy alcoholic beverages. Unfortunately for me, the law required one to be 21 years of age to legally obtain beer or any other alcoholic beverages. As much as I may have wanted to vote, I did not secure that right until I reached 21 years of age. There are just some things that are determined by law, however arbitrary that may seem.

    It is ironic that people under 21 can enlist in the military and serve in combat, using weapons of every possible type, but can't own or carry a handgun once they return to American soil. The military might ask you to fire a hellfire missle, but you can't own a .40calibur handgun in America! You can shoot an M-16 overseas, but are prevented from owning a 9mm back home!

    That's likely why somebody suggested talking with an uncle or other family member. They actually do know you. They know whether you are responsbile or not. They know your maturity level. We, on this forum, only know you through a post you dropped on the forum. While pretty well written, it certainly doesn't place anybody in the position of "knowing" you. All we have is a glimpse, not the whole picture.

    So, bum you out as it may, I believe you'll end up having to wait three more years before you can secure a handgun of your very own. That being said, if I had a kid or nephew that demonstrated an interest in shooting, I'd coach him along and take him to the range. I'd teach him safe handling of weapons. I'd share with him the skills of situational awareness. I'd make certain he was very familiar with relevant laws and the use of deadly force. Since you ain't my kin, I'll give you the best advice I am able:
    Spend the next three years learning everything you can on the topics above, and know the subject inside out. There are plenty of folks here much older than you who still study the laws and keep abreast of new legislation.

    In essence, be on top of your game when you do get a handgun. It is a deadly weapon that requires a high degree of respect, and that's why there is that age limit thingy. And if you have kinfolk willing to get a weapon for you, they need to spend time with you and your gun to ensure you learn all the basic stuff you'll need to know.

    I hope I haven't bummed you out, but the law is what it is, and we all must abide by the laws before us. And I hope you have a relative who will take you under his (or her) wing and teach you very well. This ain't a game we play, but a responsibility we shoulder.

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    well,,,

    hello
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    besides quoting washing state law to an OP in wisconsin,,
    you now are here in washington giving incorrect legal advice to this OP.

    in washing state it is very legal for an 18 YO to buy a hand gun in a private sale!
    it is good advice for this OP to get training and guidance,
    and a dad or uncle is probably the best place to seek that guidance, but
    training and guidance is not a legal requirement for the purchase of a hand gun.

    ETA. to the OP, go to the sheriffs office and ask for the free booklet, firearms safety the law and you.
    all washington state firearms laws, all in one place.
    study 9.41.240, 9.41.050 and 9.41.060, lots of info for your age group.
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    More to it than just age

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    Defender is right it is legal for a person under the age of 18 to legally own a handgun in this state. If your asking what I personally think about it? I grew up in a military family and my dad started me shooting when I was five so I'm not against it but please read up on the laws first and don't go out and get one just because you think they are cool. If you get a gun at all regardless of it being a rifle shotgun or hand gun your not gust getting a gun your adopting a lifestyle.
    If I may pass on one bit of advise taught to me by my father. When someone hands you a gun and tells you its empty regardless if who it is and how well you may know them and respect them ALWAYS check and make sure for your self it is empty. This is not done out of disrespect for the person who handed you the gun but out of respect to the firearm. If who ever you are with is a good teacher they will respect your level of respect for the firearm
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    In Washington State, it is perfectly legal for someone under 21 to obtain a handgun from a privatesale.

    Anyways, dont worry about safety, I have been obsessed with firearms and have read up on them. And I will be taking a handgun class at Wades so I wont be totally uneducated.

    2 rules: Never assume a gun is unloaded, never put your finger on the trigger until ready. Am I correct?

    But the problem is that many people wont sell to someone without a CCW, and obviously, I can't get one at 18. I can own a rifle and shotgun, why not a handgun. (I know I know, concealment issues) but talking in pure lethality, a rifle and shotgun are much more devastating than a 9.

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    Do you have a father, uncle or grandfather?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gogodawgs View Post
    Do you have a father, uncle or grandfather?
    I have a father, who does not own a gun, an uncle in another country, and no grandfather's to speak of. I do however have a next door neighbor with plenty and my cousin also has a couple.

    A rifle is a good plinker, but not something I would want to keep out in the open, a shotgun, the same. A handgun, I can keep in my drawer next to my head. I also like handguns, and the fact that you can get one for ~700$. Instead of 1700$ for a Colt AR-15.

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    You learn firearm safety, at your age from the gun owners in your life. I would start with those around you to learn. Then I would start with an inexpensive home defense shotgun. You can pick one up for around $300. They are much more effective for home defense. You can purchase one and the ammo for it yourself at 18.

    I'll write more when I get home tonight. I have an 18yo daughter who just received her first handgun.
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    "2 rules: Never assume a gun is unloaded, never put your finger on the trigger until ready. Am I correct?"

    1. All guns are always loaded.
    2. Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy.
    3. Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on the target.
    4. Be sure of your target and what is beyond it.

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    It is legal for an 18 to purchase and posses a firearm in WA. RCW 9.41.40 and RCW 9.41.42. It is only illegal for an FFL licensed dealer to sell a handgun to an 18 year old (federal law).

    It is not against the law for a private person to sell a firearm to a person 18-21 years old in a face to face transaction if the person selling the firearm knows, or has reason to believe, that the person is not disqualified by federal or state law. (felon, insane, etc)

    The first rifle, a Remington 700 BDL, I purchased for myself, I purchased from a gun shop, and I was only 16 years old..of course this was pre-1968 (by several years) I also purchased a Ruger Bearcat at the same time. I have no problem with an 18 year old purchasing a firearm, rifle or pistol..it's legal here in WA.

    However, I would suggest our young inquisitor that he take the whole question up with his parents...if he is still living at home. Really, what you need is someone that KNOWS you, WELL. Good place to start if your parents won't help, is at your local rifle range gun club. Show you are a responsible (you can start now by volunteering) and a law abiding member of society.

    Good luck...up here in the Highlands it would not be a problem. The local police use the gun club, no-one better to get in good with if you are looking to purchase a firearm.

    Have you thought about Black Powder?
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    I don't know of many gun clubs in my area, maybe Renton game and fish?

    My parents will be of no help.

    I just want a plinker/hd gun. A rifle is kinda out of my price range for an 18 year old, and I just like handguns much better. Shotguns, you can't plink as much.

    I'm more into the most modern, the newest guns, I don't really like the black powder stuff.

    Hopefully, when the time comes, the seller will look past my age, and welcome another to the firearms society.

    Thanks for the commentary guys, I will talk with my neighbor and cousin and learn more about guns, wouldn't want a uninformed teenager walking around right?

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    Personally I would not sell a handgun to some unknown person under the age of 21, especially someone coming into a forum seeking out someone that would and to tell you the truth, this is a first I have seen concerning this type of a request.

    This sounds more to the likely of a story to be told by the anti gun groups on how an 18 year old can go to any number of gun forums and buy a handgun.

    You have been given good advice to find family or friends to assist in learning the safe handling and care of firearms.

    For now buy some good pepper spray.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDave View Post
    Personally I would not sell a handgun to some unknown person under the age of 21, especially someone coming into a forum seeking out someone that would and to tell you the truth, this is a first I have seen concerning this type of a request.

    This sounds more to the likely of a story to be told by the anti gun groups on how an 18 year old can go to any number of gun forums and buy a handgun.

    You have been given good advice to find family or friends to assist in learning the safe handling and care of firearms.
    I'm not digging for sellers. I'm trying to see what people's thoughts are on sales to under 21. What can I do at 21 that I can't do at 18? (other than cc, drinking)

    I know how to handle a gun safely. Also, if I'm an unknown person under the age of 21, what are 95% of other private gun sales, unknown people over the age of 21? I think that's even more dangerous, I have to follow a strict set of restrictions, while others can have a loaded gun on their person. I just don't see why 18 year olds are discriminated against, when they can be as responsible as someone over the age of 21.

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    Maybe I am just mean and distrustful. I would never sell you a gun. I do not believe IMHO that an 18yo is responsible enough to own a handgun. I know this because I was 18 once. I bought my first rifle....Winchester Model 94 30-30 when I was 18 though. I still own it today. I plan on giving it to my son who is 7, when he is 18. He can use it when we go hunting though. I agree with Go-Go, get yourself a shotgun. A perfect home defense firearm. You can get a Stoeger shotgun with a pistol grip from Wholesale Sports for $299. It is a great shotgun. I also mainly do not trust you. I have dealt with people my entire working life and if there is one thing I do know. If they can get away with pulling the wool over your eyes they will. Sorry.

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    18 year olds are not discriminated this sounds more like impatiens, no offence. You already know its legal for you to own one at your age you just cant walk into a store and buy one. We all have serten milestones we must pass in this life and turning 21 to get your cpl is one of them. They are not going any ware they will still be there in a few more years. If your looking for a extreme political activist group your looking in the wrong place. You'll find we are all very level headed calm people here, we may be pasinate about our way of life but we are all very law abiding folks
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    Welcome to the forum Gaary. Hang around you'll learn alot. You'll also have to have a bit of thick skin.

    I suggest that if you don't have family that will be of help to you in your interest in your natural right to be armed that you make friends here. There are monthly meets in your area I believe, I would go to them, it would go a long way to helping you be accepted by others in the community and a great way to learn about firearms and different views of gun owners.

    There are folks who will sell to those under 21, but most people want to make sure you are someone they can trust (whether you are 21 or not). I personally don't believe 21 as a magic age of maturity where you suddenly become a responsible person.

    Look up green is faster, he went through some similar negative comments and pushed past them to become a respected member of this forum/community at the age of 18. He is also working on State legislation to lower the CPL age.

    Again welcome aboard, keep an open mind and don't let the negative old folks turn you away from the great information and folks on this board.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gogodawgs View Post
    You learn firearm safety, at your age from the gun owners in your life. I would start with those around you to learn. Then I would start with an inexpensive home defense shotgun. You can pick one up for around $300. They are much more effective for home defense. You can purchase one and the ammo for it yourself at 18.

    I'll write more when I get home tonight. I have an 18yo daughter who just received her first handgun.
    You need to start with someone close to you, someone who cares, someone who will teach and someone to encourage your curiosity of firearms. Those things will not come to a 17yo from strangers on the internet. However, I agree with SVG, come to one of our meets and listen, observe and interact with this group.

    To my own experiences. Having owned firearms since I was a boy, having carried a handgun since I was 21. And now having bought my 18yo daughter her first handgun for her graduation a couple of weeks ago.

    My daughters were taught handgun/firearm safety since the age of 6 months! Yes, that is correct. From 6 months until they were about 6 or 7 years old they were taught to STOP, NOT TOUCH, go tell an adult. And they did. At about 7 or so they were allowed to touch them in my presence. They were show how to handle them properly and they watched me clean all of my guns at the kitchen counter. At about 10-12 they began to take an occasional trip to the range and allowed to shoot a .22 with supervision. At about 14 or so they were taught how to break down and manipulate different kinds of handguns in a safe manner. They continue to shoot and can handle and break down any of my handguns. (Mostly Sig's)

    My oldest daughter turned 18 last November and graduated high school in June. She will be attending college at Montana State University. She will also be staying in Montana and getting her residency. She will be able to CC when she becomes a resident in 6 months (thus exempting her from the GFSZ and some city ordinances). She will be able to OC/CC now in Montana outside of the city/town limits. She wrote several papers on OC and firearms in high school (received A's on all of them) and is proficient in her abilities.

    What I hope you take from this short story is that her maturity level around firearms took along time, it was never rushed. Her training and familiarity came from her family. You should be seeking the same. You start with what we have suggested. For home defense an inexpensive shotgun. Heck my HD shotgun is a Chinese made "Hawk" that I purchased for under $200. If you want a plinking gun then buy a Ruger 10-22. Take your time, learn, read, listen. Wear a thick skin on this forum, the guys on here will always tell you the truth. It may be hard to take the truth and they won't sugar coat it but the guys in the OCDO movement are the smartest gun owners in the country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Patriot View Post
    Maybe I am just mean and distrustful. I would never sell you a gun. I do not believe IMHO that an 18yo is responsible enough to own a handgun. I know this because I was 18 once.
    This sentiment seems to be supported by Science:

    http://newsinhealth.nih.gov/2005/Sep...eatures_02.htm

    Giedd, who studies brain development at NIH’s National Institute of Mental Health, explained that scientists have only recently learned more about the path of brain growth. One important finding, he said, showed that the frontal cortex area—]which governs judgment, decision-making and impulse control—doesn’t fully mature until around age 25
    It isn't necessarily the case that that an 18 year old is stupid, or incapable, it's often the inability to make proper choices or control impulse that makes this age somewhat dangerous.

    I too was 18 and remember some "impulses" I didn't control. Wish I could go back to that age with the knowledge and experience I now have.
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    Come on guys, a lot of us were being shot at in Vietnam when we 18. I know when I was younger than 18 I had all the guns I needed.

    My friends and I would go out to the desert and shoot rattlesnakes and sell the rattles to the tourist traps for 25 cents. We went hunting and went to the range, and never got in trouble or did anything stupid (maybe a few speeding tickets is all). The only required "training" then was a "hunters safety" class so you could purchase your first hunting license. You didn't need anything to go to a gun store, or even a hardware store and buy whatever you wanted.

    There was no GCA of 1968 back then, and all the attitudes I hear now, never existed. There were, and there still are, responsible young people, and irresponsible adults. Give the kid a break will you.

    I saw a High Standard on GunBroker the other day that would be a perfect learning tool. It was a revolver with a short/long/LR cylinder, and a second 22 mag cylinder. With box and manuals for $300...perfect little weapon to learn with. (and shoot rattlesnakes with).

    It is unfortunate our Gaarry does not have support from home. I cannot even concieve of growing up that way??? So, I go back to my original statement, get with some people that are more into firearms and shooting, show you are a responsible young person, and learn safety. May I suggest you take a hunters safety course? even if you have no way to go hunting.

    When I took my hunters safety course I got to shoot a shotgun (compliments of the instructor) that I still cannot afford, and I am retired now. We were required to shoot a round of trap, and the one thing I did not have at the time was a shotgun. 2 rifles and a pistol, but no shotgun. Still don't have any interest in shooting birds (execpt grouse), but I do have a shotgun now.

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    hermannr I feel the same way as to the sentiment and I would do this for one of my kids, grandchildren or someone close to me but not for someone I have not clue about.

    An issue that is often over looked and many times are brought up in these discussion of 18 year old and the military is brought into it, many who I enlisted with in the early 70's were no where near responsible enough to do this on their own and very close supervision was applied through the military and still some that even crossed the line of lawful acts right from basic training in a run back from the range one soldier attacked another with an M-16, thankfully it was empty but still did a lot of damage. Point is, it does happen.
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