Results 1 to 23 of 23

Thread: Concealed Carry Training class: Pewaukee

  1. #1
    Regular Member Motofixxer's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Somewhere over the Rainbow
    Posts
    974

    Concealed Carry Training class: Pewaukee

    Waukesha County Technical College is hosting a training class for anyone interested. Here is all the information.
    Attached Files Attached Files
    Click Here for New to WI Open Carry Legal References and Informational Videos--- FAQ's http://Tinyurl.com/OpenCarry-WI

    The Armed Badger A WI site dedicated to Concealed Carry in WI

    "To disarm the people... was the best and most effectual way to enslave them." -- George Mason, Speech of June 14, 1788

    http://Tinyurl.com/New-To-Guns to DL useful Info

  2. #2
    Founder's Club Member protias's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    SE, WI
    Posts
    7,322
    Good thing I already got my training through another permit.
    No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. Thomas Jefferson (1776)

    If you go into a store, with a gun, and rob it, you have forfeited your right to not get shot - Joe Deters, Hamilton County (Cincinnati) Prosecutor

    I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians. - George Mason (father of the Bill of Rights and The Virginia Declaration of Rights)

  3. #3
    Founder's Club Member thebigsd's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    Quarryville, PA
    Posts
    3,543
    "Firing exercises will be done on a shooting simulator"

    Yes, because that is a much better way to learn to use a gun rather than actually shooting one. Any class catering to new shooters should have a live firing component.
    "When seconds count between living or dying, the police are only minutes away."

  4. #4
    Regular Member Da Po-lock's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    Green Bay, WI
    Posts
    131
    So much for the supposed $50 training as stated in the bill.
    Guess I'll hafta send in the MD certificate I have.
    Last edited by Da Po-lock; 07-02-2011 at 06:58 PM. Reason: fat, stubby fingers
    Any one of you lily livered, flea bitten, bow legged varmints care to slap leather with me?

    A.S.N.F.
    A Son NEVER Forgets

  5. #5
    Regular Member MKEgal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    in front of my computer, WI
    Posts
    4,426
    They sure threw that together fast!
    SB93 hasn't even been signed...
    It is more comprehensive than required by law, which I can't say is a bad thing.

    Interesting that it's being offered on campus, since they have a no-weapons policy.
    Wonder if that's going to be changing, or if they're going to try & keep the policy but not post the buildings, or if they plan to post?
    Quote Originally Posted by MLK, Jr
    The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort & convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge & controversy.
    Quote Originally Posted by MSG Laigaie
    Citizenship is a verb.
    Quote Originally Posted by Proverbs 27:12
    A prudent person foresees the danger ahead and takes precautions.
    The simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences.
    Quote Originally Posted by Proverbs 31:17
    She dresses herself with strength and makes her arms strong.

  6. #6
    Regular Member Motofixxer's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Somewhere over the Rainbow
    Posts
    974
    It would be funny to walk in with a printout of the school policy and say hey teacher "this policy here, says we can't have these(holding up encased firearm) on school property"
    Click Here for New to WI Open Carry Legal References and Informational Videos--- FAQ's http://Tinyurl.com/OpenCarry-WI

    The Armed Badger A WI site dedicated to Concealed Carry in WI

    "To disarm the people... was the best and most effectual way to enslave them." -- George Mason, Speech of June 14, 1788

    http://Tinyurl.com/New-To-Guns to DL useful Info

  7. #7
    Founder's Club Member protias's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    SE, WI
    Posts
    7,322
    Quote Originally Posted by Motofixxer View Post
    It would be funny to walk in with a printout of the school policy and say hey teacher "this policy here, says we can't have these(holding up encased firearm) on school property"
    It may be worth it to pay for the class to just do that.

    http://www.wctc.edu/student_services...t/article2.php

    Weapons, or look-alike weapons, are not allowed on WCTC property. A weapon is any type of firearm (whether or not a permit is obtained); switchblade; knives (excluding eating utensils); a jackknife with a blade longer than two inches; metal knuckles; explosives; compressed gas operated weapons; electric weapons as defined by federal, state and local law; hunting archery equipment; thrust or movement; martial arts weapons, and any other device, which based on the manner it is used or is intended to be used, is calculated or likely to produce bodily harm. Exceptions include knives possessed, transported or used by staff and students in the normal course of an educational program, provided that such possession, transport or use is not intended or likely to produce bodily harm. Pepper Spray, as allowed by state law, is not to be considered a prohibited weapon provided the spray is only used for personal defense. Possession, transport of, use of weapons by individuals who are required to carry a weapon as part of their employment or education program, such as police science students and instructors and police officers, provided that such possession, transport or use is in accordance with all applicable laws and regulations and is in accordance with employment or educational requirements.
    No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. Thomas Jefferson (1776)

    If you go into a store, with a gun, and rob it, you have forfeited your right to not get shot - Joe Deters, Hamilton County (Cincinnati) Prosecutor

    I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians. - George Mason (father of the Bill of Rights and The Virginia Declaration of Rights)

  8. #8
    Regular Member MKEgal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    in front of my computer, WI
    Posts
    4,426
    Their prohibition of firearms is illegal unless they post the buildings...
    Maybe next time I'm out that way I'll have a look.

    A weapon is any type of firearm (whether or not a permit is obtained)
    That's been changed recently.

    Sanctions are intended to challenge students’ moral and ethical decision-making and to help them bring their behavior into accord with our community expectations.
    ...standards of conduct embodied within a set of core values that include integrity, respect, community and responsibility.
    Their 'community expectations' appear to be that everyone be defenseless.
    How can that possibly be either moral or ethical?
    And if they want to foster responsibility, why do they try to nanny everyone to death?

    b.Any situation where it appears that the student may present a danger or threat to the health or safety of him/herself or others.
    1.Threatening or causing physical harm... or other conduct which threatens or endangers the health or safety of any person;
    2.Intimidation (implied threats)
    Oh, yeah, this is what they'd use against someone caught carrying.

    c.Any situation that significantly impinges upon the rights, property or achievements of self or others or significantly breaches the peace and/or causes social disorder.
    But they'd have no problem 'impinging' my rights, & they're a gov't school, so they are actually illegally infringing them.

    m.The welfare of students in our community is of paramount importance.
    If that were true, they'd allow carry.

    p.It has become common for students accused of policy violations to try to defend their actions with excuses, such as... self-defense...
    WCTC’s policy on defenses is clear. Defending your actions is admitting to a policy violation.
    While your defense will not excuse your actions, WCTC will take the legitimacy of your defense into consideration in addressing the proper sanction. If you were not the aggressor in a fight, you may still be sanctioned, but your sanction may be lesser than the sanction of the person who started the fight.

    So someone defending herself against attack will still get punished by the campus morals squad, but if she doesn't raise a hand to protect herself, that's morally superior?


    Wonder what they'd do w/ an SCCC chapter?

  9. #9
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    Cudahy, Wisconsin, USA
    Posts
    326
    Quote Originally Posted by Motofixxer View Post
    Waukesha County Technical College is hosting a training class for anyone interested. Here is all the information.
    Question, What's with this Competency Evaluation ?? Dan flip this over to me at work Friday.. and how would it affect someone trying to get a permit..

  10. #10
    McX
    Guest
    you guys realize WisconsinCarry is on the case, and is organizing the training we need to be announced shortly.

  11. #11
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Waukesha, Wisconsin, USA
    Posts
    721
    I plan to take my wife to the WI Carry training.

  12. #12
    Regular Member paul@paul-fisher.com's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Chandler, AZ
    Posts
    4,047
    Pre-SB93, does DOJ certify instructors? If not, how can they already be certified?

  13. #13
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    Greendale, Wisconsin, USA
    Posts
    42

    Smile WCTC Conceal Carry Class for Citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by range rat View Post
    Question, What's with this Competency Evaluation ?? Dan flip this over to me at work Friday.. and how would it affect someone trying to get a permit..
    Range Rat.

    It appears to be a decent course. However, you are now in the eyes of the DOJ Instructors. They will evaluate you during the time you are there. They will ascertain your personality and character as well as your handling of your handgun and during the simulation.

    As a retired Maritime Law Enforcement Officer with the US Dept. of Homeland Security, I went through hours of hours of training. Not every one gets this type of training. I admit, there are many people who has a good head on their shoulders and are of sound mind. I would be proud to be along side you AND have you cover my six.

    Good luck!
    Last edited by dmworken; 07-03-2011 at 01:28 PM.

  14. #14
    Wisconsin Carry, Inc. Shotgun's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    Madison, Wisconsin, USA
    Posts
    2,668
    Quote Originally Posted by paul@paul-fisher.com View Post
    Pre-SB93, does DOJ certify instructors? If not, how can they already be certified?
    I believe DOJ certifies law enforcement firearms instructors already. I don't believe they have a process to certify non-law enforcement instructors yet.

    But under the bill, DOJ-certified instructors are not the only instructors who can provide training that meets the standards (such as they are) of the bill. It also includes instruction provide by instructors who have been certified by a national or state organization that certifies firearms instructors. The NRA would be the most obvious and largest such organization.
    A. Gold

    Failure to comply may result in discipline up to and including termination.
    The free man is a warrior. - Nietzsche "Twilight of the Idols"

  15. #15
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    Greendale, Wisconsin, USA
    Posts
    42

    List of Certified Instructors

    Quote Originally Posted by paul@paul-fisher.com View Post
    Pre-SB93, does DOJ certify instructors? If not, how can they already be certified?
    I believe this is the list they are talking about.
    Attached Files Attached Files

  16. #16
    Wisconsin Carry, Inc. Shotgun's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    Madison, Wisconsin, USA
    Posts
    2,668
    Quote Originally Posted by McX View Post
    you guys realize WisconsinCarry is on the case, and is organizing the training we need to be announced shortly.
    That's news to me! I think it's more accurate to say WCI is in the exploratory stage at this point. WCI is looking at a number of options and ways to approach it. I wouldn't expect much in the way of announcements "shortly."

    Don't confuse my training with WCI-sponsored training. My course is not endorsed nor sponsored by WCI. I have stated that I'm willing to reserve a few slots for people who are WCI members (as of yesterday) to attend my course for free. That's just my personal way of showing appreciation to members who have given their support to WCI and made it a highly effective organization in under two years time. I also intend to give a discount to veterans, senior citizens, and people who have a current valid restraining order against another person. Sorry, if you're an elderly veteran with a valid restraining order you'll still only get one discount!

    When WCI begins to provide sponsored training I'll be willing and proud to participate in that activity as well if there is a role for me to play. All WCI activities are, as always, volunteered unpaid time.
    A. Gold

    Failure to comply may result in discipline up to and including termination.
    The free man is a warrior. - Nietzsche "Twilight of the Idols"

  17. #17
    Wisconsin Carry, Inc. Shotgun's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    Madison, Wisconsin, USA
    Posts
    2,668
    Quote Originally Posted by dmworken View Post
    I believe this is the list they are talking about.
    I believe that's a list of people certified by the Department of Regulation and Licensing to train and certify private security guards and private detectives for carrying guns on the job. It's not a list of DOJ certified instructors.
    A. Gold

    Failure to comply may result in discipline up to and including termination.
    The free man is a warrior. - Nietzsche "Twilight of the Idols"

  18. #18
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    Greendale, Wisconsin, USA
    Posts
    42
    Quote Originally Posted by Shotgun View Post
    I believe that's a list of people certified by the Department of Regulation and Licensing to train and certify private security guards and private detectives for carrying guns on the job. It's not a list of DOJ certified instructors.
    You are correct to say that. However, I also believe a few of these people are certified by DOJ. I just do not know which ones.

  19. #19
    Regular Member paul@paul-fisher.com's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Chandler, AZ
    Posts
    4,047
    Actually, never mind. It fits under 175.60(4)(a)(1)(c)

    c. A firearms safety or training course that is available
    to the public and is offered by a law enforcement
    agency or, if the course is taught by an instructor who is
    certified by a national or state organization that certifies
    firearms instructors or by the department, by a technical
    college
    , a college or a university, a private or public institution
    or organization, or a firearms training school.

  20. #20
    Regular Member Deadscott's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin, USA
    Posts
    56
    A firearms safety or training course that is available
    to the public and is offered by a law enforcement
    agency or,

    Unless Governor Walker uses his veto pen, it looks like the Free Online Maryland Police Training Course meets the requirements also.
    Discussing Concealed Carry in Wisconsin at www.armedbadger.com

  21. #21
    Founder's Club Member protias's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    SE, WI
    Posts
    7,322
    Quote Originally Posted by Deadscott View Post
    A firearms safety or training course that is available
    to the public and is offered by a law enforcement
    agency or,

    Unless Governor Walker uses his veto pen, it looks like the Free Online Maryland Police Training Course meets the requirements also.
    Walker does not have a line item veto power on the bill.
    No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. Thomas Jefferson (1776)

    If you go into a store, with a gun, and rob it, you have forfeited your right to not get shot - Joe Deters, Hamilton County (Cincinnati) Prosecutor

    I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians. - George Mason (father of the Bill of Rights and The Virginia Declaration of Rights)

  22. #22
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Location
    wisconsin
    Posts
    31
    I was going to post a new thread asking about a training course that was advertised on 620am this morning but I'll just tag onto this thread.

    For $125 a company called justcarry.com is offering a 4 hour course that is supposed to meet the WI and Utah training requirements and according to their site satisfies reciprocity to 30 or so other states. I don't know anything about them or this training. All I do know is that $30 an hour to sit in a class for four hours sounds steep. And they seem to have a lot of classes that are already filled.

    So, $125 for one class, $85 for the WCTC class (not sure if there are additional administrative or student fees added beyond the $85), plus who knows how many more groups will be offering classes. The WCTC class looks like a 6 hour class, so it's about $14/hour.

    I'm sure the DNR classes will fill with non-hunters for the rest of this year.

    As to the school policies consider this, in my home city they have an ordinance against discharging firearms and I was told that if I had to shoot a firearm in self defense that the city attorney would have to dismiss the discharging a firearm violation. Gee, thanks.

  23. #23
    Regular Member Deadscott's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin, USA
    Posts
    56
    Quote Originally Posted by protias View Post
    Walker does not have a line item veto power on the bill.
    Then I'm missing something here.



    Once the legislature has passed a bill, the bill is forwarded to the governor for his or her approval or rejection. A rejection is called a “veto.” If the governor approves the bill, it becomes a law; if the governor rejects, or vetoes, the bill, in whole or in part, only the approved portion of the bill be*comes law. If the governor fails
    either to approve or reject the bill within a specified time frame, the entire bill becomes a law.


    As mentioned earlier, article 5, section 10, subsection (1), para*graph (b) of the Wisconsin Consti*tution allows the governor to veto partially any bill that contains an appropriation. An appropriation is an expenditure or distribution of
    state money. Perhaps the most famous appropriation bill is the state budget bill, which is ap*proved by thelegislature every two years.

    Since SB93 collects and dispenses moneys doesn't it fall into the appropriation category?
    http://legis.wisconsin.gov/lrb/gw/gw_5.pdf
    Discussing Concealed Carry in Wisconsin at www.armedbadger.com

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •