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Robin47

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Contrary to popular belief, traveling for personal business is a Right, not a privilege as supported by the following court cases.


"The right of the citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, either by carriage or by automobile, is not a mere privilege which a city may prohibit or permit at will, but a common right which he has under the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."- Thompson v Smith, 154 SE 579

"Undoubtedly the right of locomotion, the right to remove from one place to another according to inclination, is an attribute of personal liberty, and the right, ordinarily, of free transit from or through the territory of any State is a right secured by the l4th Amendment and by other provisions of the Constitution." - Schactman v Dulles, 96 App D.C. 287, 293.

It is settled that the streets of a city belong to the people of a state and the use thereof is an inalienable right of every citizen of the state. Whyte v. City of Sacramento, 65 Cal. App. 534, 547, 224 Pac. 1008, 1013 (1924); Escobedo v. State Dept. of Motor Vehicles (1950), 222 Pac. 2d 1, 5, 35 Cal.2d 870 (1950).

This right of the people to the use of the public streets of a city is so well established and so universally recognized in this country, that it has become a part of the alphabet of fundamental rights of the citizen. Swift v. City of Topeka, 23 Pac. 1075,1076, 43 Kansas 671, 674.

"Complete freedom of the highways is so old and well established a blessing that we have forgotten the days of the Robber Barons and toll roads, and yet, under an act like this, arbitrarily administered, the highways may be completely monopolized, if, through lack of interest, the people submit, then they may look to see the most sacred of their liberties taken from them one by one, by more or less rapid encroachment." Robertson vs. Department of Public Works, 180 Wash 133,147.

Public ways, as applied to ways by land, are usually termed “highways” or “public roads,” are such ways as every citizen has a right to use. Kripp v. Curtis, 11 P. 879; 71 Cal. 62

Every citizen has an inalienable right to make use of the public highways of the state; every citizen has full freedom to travel from place to place in the enjoyment of life and liberty. People v Nothaus, 363 P.2d 180, 182 (Colo.-1961).

Americans' "freedom to travel throughout the United States has long been recognized as a basic right under the Constitution," according to multiple cases including Williams v Fears, 179 US 270, 274; 21 S Ct 128; 45 L Ed 186 (1900); Twining v New Jersey, 211 US 78, 97; 29 S Ct 14; 53 L Ed 97 (1908), as listed in the case of United States v Guest, 383 US 745; 86 S Ct 1170; 16 L Ed 2d 239 (1968), a case involving criminally prosecuting people for obstructing the right (obstruction is a federal crime pursuant to federal criminal law 18 USC 241).

Case law shows that the "liberty" protected by the Fourteenth Amendment extends beyond freedom from bodily restraint and includes a much wider range of human activity, including but not limited to the opportunity to make a wide range of personal decisions concerning one's life, family, and private pursuits. See Meyer v, 262 US 390, 399; 43 SCt 625, 626; 67 L Ed 1043 (1923), and Roe v Wade, 410 US 113, 152-153; 93 S Ct 705, 726-727; 35 L Ed 2d 147 (1973). One of these life, family, private pursuits is obviously driving.

In effect, as per the Supreme Court decision in the case of Crandall v Nevada, 73 US 35; 18 L Ed (1867), speed limits and other traffic control devices, being non-fact-based, are simply an unlawful tax or impost on travel, and thus unconstitutional for the reason cited in Crandall. (Crandall involved a tax on travelers! which is what in essence speed limits, unscientific stop signs, etc., simply are, stripped of all the phony fraudulent politician folderol pretending them to relate somehow to safety, not to mention that are extortion violating the federal anti-racketeering act (RICO), 18 USC 1961 and the law against obstructing federal rights, 18 USC 241).
Colorado Article 42-2-101 clearly states, licensing is for commercial drivers, not private citizens..
"...For while a citizen has the right to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, that right does not extend to the use of the highways...as a place for private gain. For the latter purpose, no person has a vested right to use the highways of this state, but it is a privilege...which the (state) may grant or withhold at its discretion..." State v. Johnson, 245 P 1073.

"The right to travel is part of the Liberty of which the citizen cannot be deprived without due process of law under the Fifth Amendment." Kent v. Dulles 357 U.S. 116, 125. Reaffirmed in Zemel v. Rusk 33 US 1.

"Where activities or enjoyment, natural and often necessary to the well being of an American citizen, such as travel, are involved, we will construe narrowly all delegated powers that curtail or dilute them... to repeat, we deal here with a constitutional right of the citizen..." Edwards v. California 314 US 160 (1941).

"Even the legislature has no power to deny to a citizen the right to travel upon the highway and transport his property in the ordinary course of his business or pleasure, though this right may be regulated in accordance with the public interest and convenience. - Chicago Motor Coach v Chicago, 169 NE 22 ("Regulated" here means stop lights, signs, etc. NOT a privilege that requires permission or unconstitutional taxation; i.e. - licensing, mandatory insurance, vehicle registration, etc., requiring financial consideration, which are more illegal taxes.)

"The right of the citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, either by carriage or by automobile, is not a mere privilege which a city may prohibit or permit at will, but a common right which he has under the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."- Thompson v Smith, 154 SE 579.

"The right to travel is protected by the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment."
"Right to travel is constitutionally protected against private as well as public encroachment."
Volunteer Medical Clinic, Inc. V. Operation Rescue, 948 F2d 218; International Org. Of Masters, Etc. V. Andrews, 831, F2d 843; Zobel v. Williams, 457 US 55, 102 Sct. 2309.

"License: In the law of contracts, is a permission, accorded by a competent authority, conferring the right to do some act which without such authorization would be illegal, or would be a trespass or tort." Blacks Law Dictionary, 2nd Ed. (1910).

"Where an individual is detained, without a warrant and without having committed a crime (traffic infractions are not crimes), the detention is a false arrest and false imprisonment."
Damages Awarded: Trezevant v. City of Tampa, 241 F2d. 336 (11th CIR 1984)

"License: In the law of contracts, is a permission, accorded by a competent authority, conferring the right to do some act which without such authorization would be illegal, or would be a trespass or tort." Blacks Law Dictionary, 2nd Ed. (1910).

"The license means to confer on a person the right to do something which otherwise he would not have the right to do." City of Louisville v. Sebree, 214 S.W. 2D 248; 308 Ky. 420.

"The object of a license is to confer a right or power which does not exist without it." Pavne v. Massev, 196 S.W. 2D 493; 145 Tex. 273; Shuman v. City of Ft. Wayne, 127 Indiana 109; 26 NE 560, 561 (1891); 194 So 569 (1940).

"A license is a mere permit to do something that without it would be unlawful." Littleton v. Buress, 82 P. 864, 866; 14 Wyo.173.

"A license, pure and simple, is a mere personal privilege...River Development Corp. V. Liberty Corp., 133 A. 2d 373, 385; 45 N.J. Super. 445.

"A license is merely a permit or privilege to do what otherwise would be unlawful, and is not a contract between the authority, federal, state or municipal granting it and the person to whom it is granted..."American States Water Services Co. Of Calif. V. Johnson, 88 P.2d 770, 774; 31 Cal. App.2d 606.

"A license when granting a privilege, may not, as the terms to its possession, impose conditions which require the abandonment of constitutional rights." Frost Trucking Co. V. Railroad Commission, 271 US 583, 589 (1924); Terral v. Burke Construction Company, 257 US 529, 532 (1922).

"It is clear that a license relates to qualifications to engage in profession, business, trade or calling; thus when merely traveling without compensation or profit, outside of business enterprise or adventure with the corporate state, no license is required of the natural individual traveling for personal business, pleasure and transportation." Wingfield v. Fielder (1972) 29 CA3d 213.

"The acceptance of a license, in whatever form, will not impose upon the licensee an obligation to respect or to comply with any provision of the statute or with the regulations prescribed that are repugnant to the Constitution of the United States." W. W. CARGILL CO. v. STATE OF MINNESOTA, 180 U.S. 452 (1901) 180 U.S. 452

"The word privilege is defined as a particular benefit, favor, or advantage, a right or immunity not enjoyed by all, or it may be enjoyed only under special conditions." Knoll Gold Club v. U.S., 179 Fed Supp. 377, 380.
"...those things which are considered as inalienable rights which all citizens possess cannot be licensed since those acts are not held to be a privilege." City of Chicago v. Collins, 51 N.E. 907, 910

Thanks Motofixxer,

We all need to Research more to help us keep ahead of the corruption, if that's possible.

Robin47
 

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Let's bring some more into this.
DMV requires you to have insurance and a valid DL to register your vehicle. I think it's called the Financial Responsibility Law. When a cop stops you for a traffic infraction, thay ask for DL, proof of insurance and your vehicle registration. From what you say, you don't need any of that.
All that is required to own and operate a vehicle is working lights, (head, tail and brake) horn and wipers? This would be legal regulation.
I see, on Cops (TV) many people that are arrested for no DL, and their car towed. It actually happened to a friend of mine. After her paying everyone in sight, she got her car back.
 

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If driving is a right, then why are test required to get a license? And the tactic of multiple people asking questions at the same time isn't showing any great things either. It's rather childish I believe. Now you just turn around and make claims that he didn't answer your question, but how is it known he even heard it since he was talking to someone else?
 

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In the future, don't let an officer herd you into a specific location on a public sidewalk. Public sidewalks are "traditional public forums" where first amendment rights are protected to the extreme. If there are two of you there and you aren't blocking the sidewalk then you can claim that your right to assemble was violated along with your right to free speech. He "asked" you to move and you voluntarily complied. Next time tell him no thanks and see if he issues a "lawful order". it).

Not if the portion of the sidewalk you are standing on is an entryway to a parking lot. In that case you are interfering with the flow of traffic, and putting yourself in the path of vehicles which could injure you. The officer was correct in moving them to a location that was not either dangerous nor interfering with traffic.
 

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That is exactly right, they complied. The officer only made a request and not a lawful order. Traffic would actually need to be blocked such as by someone refusing to move out of the way while a vehicle attempts to turn in to the driveway. When the officer stated that they needed to move or he would issue a ticket he is making an offer to contract, looking for agreement. Possible responses which could also be issued as part of a written NOTICE to an agency or it's agent;
I conditionally accept your offer to issue a Notice to Appear based on proof of claim that I am subject to such notice, subject to move, etc.
I reserve all rights and charge $10,000 per order or per Notice to Appear. I also charge $1000 per minute for being detained or arrested, do you wish to proceed?

Equality under the law is paramount. Anyone who can charge another after giving notice may also be charged after having received notice. Especially in matters of one being seized, injured, property confiscated, etc.

All law is contract and contract makes the law.
 
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Let's bring some more into this.
DMV requires you to have insurance and a valid DL to register your vehicle. I think it's called the Financial Responsibility Law. When a cop stops you for a traffic infraction, thay ask for DL, proof of insurance and your vehicle registration. From what you say, you don't need any of that.
All that is required to own and operate a vehicle is working lights, (head, tail and brake) horn and wipers? This would be legal regulation.
I see, on Cops (TV) many people that are arrested for no DL, and their car towed. It actually happened to a friend of mine. After her paying everyone in sight, she got her car back.

No license is required while traveling in one's automobile when not carrying cargo nor passengers for hire.

Title 18 UNITED STATES CODE Sec. 31
PART I - CRIMES
CHAPTER 2 - AIRCRAFT AND MOTOR VEHICLES
Sec. 31. Definitions
When used in this chapter the term -
''Motor vehicle'' means every description of carriage or other contrivance propelled or drawn by mechanical power and used for commercial purposes on the highways in the transportation of passengers, passengers and property, or property or cargo;
California Vehicle Code

15210 (p) (7) In the absence of a federal definition, existing definitions
under this code shall apply.

http://section520.org/car.html

C.V.C. 260. (a) A "commercial vehicle" is a vehicle of a type required to be registered under this code used or maintained for the transportation of persons for hire, compensation, or profit or designed, used, or maintained primarily for the transportation of property.
(b) Passenger vehicles which are not used for the transportation of persons for hire, compensation, or profit and housecars are not commercial vehicles.


So then why are motorists being stopped, cited and having their vehicles towed for not having a valid driver license? Because they consent to the presumption that such a requirement applies by handing over information the lends evidence of agreement to the vehicle code. Even if the automobile has a registration that has expired the registration agreement is still in effect. The Certificate of Title would need to be canceled, terminated or "junked".
 

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Not if the portion of the sidewalk you are standing on is an entryway to a parking lot. In that case you are interfering with the flow of traffic, and putting yourself in the path of vehicles which could injure you. The officer was correct in moving them to a location that was not either dangerous nor interfering with traffic.

I'm sure he can get people to move if they're blocking the entryway to a parking lot. I believe he first asked them to move because they were confusing drivers with their signs. That's not unlawful to my knowledge, and thus he could only ask and not give a lawful order. However once they moved to reduce confusion, they were then in the way of the parking lot entrance, which they then had to move out of the way of.

It's interesting that Walter has made UOC so normal for Livermore police to see that they didn't even bat an eye at him.
 

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If driving is a right, then why are test required to get a license?

Why, because we have been trained and conditioned from childhood to just blindly follow the rules. Society as a whole has swallowed the "For your Safety" mentality. It's much easier to have voluntary compliance. Or a progressive set of rules. The "Nazi" analogy is used often, but it's very applicable. Once you voluntarily comply and sign on the dotted line...they got you. You voluntarily contracted yourself to the jurisdiction and enforcement of the rules.


All law is contract and contract makes the law.

This is true, here is a real world example I just seen. I was chatting with a felon just released from a 22 yr sentence. He is reformed, and a nice guy. We got discussing firearms and alcohol. He stated his "house rules" say they can't be on the property at all. If there is any found he will instantly go back to prison. I knew the statute about felons and firearms, so I questioned more. He pulled out the list of rules. There was 2 pages of rules he had to follow at his new home. At the end...he had to sign it, saying he agreed to follow it. If he didn't, he couldn't get out. If he breaks them, he goes back. Now if they have any real authority, then why was he forced to sign it. Why couldn't they just say you break these, you go back. Why...because it's all contract law, think about it.
 

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Supportive evidence?


Title 18 UNITED STATES CODE Sec. 31
PART I - CRIMES
CHAPTER 2 - AIRCRAFT AND MOTOR VEHICLES
Sec. 31. Definitions
When used in this chapter the term -
''Motor vehicle'' means every description of carriage or other contrivance propelled or drawn by mechanical power and used for commercial purposes on the highways in the transportation of passengers, passengers and property, or property or cargo;
California Vehicle Code

15210 (p) (7) In the absence of a federal definition, existing definitions
under this code shall apply.

http://section520.org/car.html

C.V.C. 260. (a) A "commercial vehicle" is a vehicle of a type required to be registered under this code used or maintained for the transportation of persons for hire, compensation, or profit or designed, used, or maintained primarily for the transportation of property.
(b) Passenger vehicles which are not used for the transportation of persons for hire, compensation, or profit and housecars are not commercial vehicles.
 

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We as a society have been fooled and misled into believing we have to obey whatever we are told and we only have the Rights that are given to us. The reality is that we have inalienable Rights and responsibilities given to us by our creator. But we have to fight and take claim of them. Here are the words of an honorable judge

A Belligerent Claimant
by Michael H. Keehn
November 22, 2006
I have a friend who was recently charged with numerous misdemeanors. He was charged
because he had the audacity to confront County Government and government officials with
doing their jobs and answering some basic questions1. In the world of legal issues, there is this
rule called tacit admission. Which government uses against ‘we the people’ on a regular basis.
The rule works as follows:
Government, or more likely one of its agents, accuses us of a wrong doing, perhaps
speeding or driving without a valid drivers license. If we do not contest or dispute this
accusation, in writing, signed under penalty of perjury, and file it with the court clerk
under our case number, then the accusation against us stands by virtue of our silence...
TACIT ADMISSION.
In my friends many written communications (sent certified mail, return receipt requested), with
government officials, they were given 30 days with which to respond to the questions and legal
determinations that were asserted. A legal determination asserted would be no different than a
policeman writing you a ticket for speeding. The officer has asserted a legal determination that
you were speeding. It is no different. You can make legal determinations and assert them, same
as they do.
And if government officials do not contest nor dispute the legal determinations you’ve asserted,
then under the rule of Tacit Admission, the asserted legal determination is accepted as fact. This
is how it would work if government and its courts did not operate criminally. In my friends case,
they excluded all such cases of Tacit Admission, the court excluded his affidavit of facts on the
matter which had been signed under penalty of perjury and filed with the court clerk on his case.
Then the court, item by item, excluded the foundations of his defense.
the question here proposed is ‘what to do if faced with a similar experience?’ Fortunately we
occasionally have a judge that is on our side. We don’t always see them as such, but, at times,
they are truly trying to help us. Such is the case of Federal Judge James Alger Fee. In U.S. vs.
JOHNSON (76 Fed, Supp. 538), Federal District Court Judge James Alger Fee ruled that...
"The privilege against self-incrimination is neither accorded to the passive resistant, not
to the person who is ignorant of his rights, nor to one who is indifferent thereto. It is a
FIGHTING clause. It's benefits can be retained only by sustained COMBAT. It cannot be
claimed by attorney or solicitor. It is valid only when insisted upon by a BELLIGERENT
claimant in person." McAlister vs. Henkle, 201 U.S. 90, 26 S.Ct. 385, 50 L. Ed. 671;
Commonwealth vs. Shaw, 4 Cush. 594, 50 Am. Dec. 813; Orum vs. State, 38 Ohio App.
171, 175 N.E. 876.
In this ruling the judge has just instructed you how to proceed. He has said that rights are not
accorded the passive resistant. Rights are not available to the individual who is ignorant of his
rights. Nor are rights available to a person who is indifferent, or in other words, a person who
simply doesn’t care. And further, judge Fee has clearly informed you that your attorney can not
claim your rights for you. Which is another way of saying that your attorney can not truly
represent you. Judge Fee tells you that rights are only available to a belligerent claimant in
person. He further stated that to claim your rights in a court of this country, you must be willing
to engage in sustained combat.
There you have it. You are charged with negligent homicide for shooting a crazed drug addict
who entered your home and nearly hacked the arm off your wife with a machete and was going
after your child with the same machete when you shot and killed him. And in a pre-trial motion
hearing the judge rules that you can not mention the machete nor the injury to your wife. That
you can not mention the fact that this crazed individual drove his car into the front room of your
home. Nor can you mention that he set fire to your house. While this might seem a reach to
you, if the crazed drug addict is actually a government agent acting to take your money, then
this is the type of logic you can expect. It is the type of logic that was applied to my friend in the
structuring of his defense. Anything that makes your case, anything that enhances your defense,
anything that works against the government case against you, WILL NOT BE ALLOWED if at
all possible.
While the judge may rule that these matters are not allowed, the fact is that you and your family
have paid for time in court. You would proceed as though the motions that limit your defense
were never heard or approved. And when you are ruled in contempt you still don’t give up.
Even if the judge puts you in jail for contempt, you don’t give up... remember, sustained
combat. You’ve paid the price to be here, its your defense, not the courts. You become that
Belligerent Claimant in person that Judge James Alger Fee told you to become in order to
secure your rights. Not the courts rights, not the prosecutions rights... your rights.
It’s your life. You can lay down and play dead, be passive, ignorant or indifferent and go to jail
or pay the fine, or you can stand up like an adult and make your case.
 

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He pulled out the list of rules. There was 2 pages of rules he had to follow at his new home. At the end...he had to sign it, saying he agreed to follow it. If he didn't, he couldn't get out. If he breaks them, he goes back. Now if they have any real authority, then why was he forced to sign it. Why couldn't they just say you break these, you go back. Why...because it's all contract law, think about it.

No, that's not entirely true. They ask him to sign so HE knows they are the rules. The penal system deals with so many idiots, fools, dumbasses, illiterates, and learning disabled that they take every step they can to impress upon them that there ARE laws, and that these are important ones. True that there might not be a state law that prohibits him from being in proximity to certain items like guns, but parolees are still incarcerated per se. They haven't served their entire sentences, and are given early release with conditions. You don't agree with conditions, you go back and finish your sentence. Signing the agreement is a prerequesite to release on parole.
 
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The terms Nazi and checkpoint are incompatible.

Deny the government the benign gloss it seeks when it invented the misleading term checkpoint. Call these things what they are: roadblocks.
 

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No, that's not entirely true. They ask him to sign so HE knows they are the rules.

No, THAT's not true. Yes, forgive me, I am being argumentative. "All law is contract and contract makes the law" still applies here. The one's who designed these "rules" want you to think in the way that you have stated but in reality the system is designed to get one too contract AGAIN. Believe it or not but the corporations make profits when one is imprisoned. They say they are reducing the prison population when in fact room is being made for more prisoners. The counties then profit from increased populations too.
 
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The terms Nazi and checkpoint are incompatible.

Deny the government the benign gloss it seeks when it invented the misleading term checkpoint. Call these things what they are: roadblocks.

They really are not roadblocks. One is free to travel without fee or hindrance but the people are lead to believe otherwise. If the masses knew that they were not required to stop and the claim for damages availed for any "forced" stop without warrant, the practice would cease. It only exists by the people's consent.
 

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They really are not roadblocks. One is free to travel without fee or hindrance but the people are lead to believe otherwise. If the masses knew that they were not required to stop and the claim for damages availed for any "forced" stop without warrant, the practice would cease. It only exists by the people's consent.

Oh, I don't know about that. I know what you mean. But, lets recognize that the people aren't really free to travel through one of these things.

I also think its a little misleading to say these exist only by the people's consent. Its true as far as it goes--no government exists but by the "consent" of the people. But another element is that people are misled into believing they must comply with these roadblocks, and misled into believing they are benign and for their safety.
 

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not to hijack this thread BUT......on 4th of july there were police officers demanding vehicle inspections for entry at Cabrillo Beach in san pedro. if you refused you were denied entry. cabrillo beach is a public place. i wanted to stay and video but i was with family for something un related and didnt want to get arrested and ruin the day.

what a great way to celebrate "independance" day with some police state check points !!!
 

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not to hijack this thread BUT......on 4th of july there were police officers demanding vehicle inspections for entry at Cabrillo Beach in san pedro. if you refused you were denied entry. cabrillo beach is a public place. i wanted to stay and video but i was with family for something un related and didnt want to get arrested and ruin the day.

what a great way to celebrate "independance" day with some police state check points !!!

Could you elaborate a little here. What do you mean they were demanding vehicle inspections?
 

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not to hijack this thread BUT......on 4th of july there were police officers demanding vehicle inspections for entry at Cabrillo Beach in san pedro. if you refused you were denied entry. cabrillo beach is a public place. i wanted to stay and video but i was with family for something un related and didnt want to get arrested and ruin the day.

what a great way to celebrate "independance" day with some police state check points !!!

Hmm maybe a letter to the PD and the local media is in order???
 

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Could you elaborate a little here. What do you mean they were demanding vehicle inspections?

More information here; http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=452060

Mandatory Police car searches today at Cabrillo beach

Took a friend kayak fishing this morning to Cabrillo beach (San Pedro) and upon entering they had posted signs that all vehicles were being searched by police (cadets mostly)for alcohol and fireworks.When they asked permission of me, I said no. After a few puzzled minuites,they called over a sargent and he asked ,I once again say no thanks,and tell him that it constitutes an illegal search (without cause) he tells me I dont have to consent,but I would not be allowed to enter without the search,so I reluctantly agreed. Am I wrong to think this is way out of line? I'm still pissed.
 
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