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    Question open carry with a shoulder holster

    i was wondering if you use a shoulder holster with out wearing a coat or jacket over it. would that be open carry?
    some times i dont use a belt so wonder how i could open carry then?
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    It would be open carry. Many people advise against a shoulder holster for a couple of reasons. The main reason is that often when you draw you have to sweep innocent people before you reach your intended target especially if you are in a crowded area. There are other options if you don't wear a belt such as belly-band type holsters.
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    http://www.leg.state.nv.us/nrs/NRS-2...l#NRS202Sec350
    “Concealed weapon” means a weapon described in this section that is carried upon a person in such a manner as not to be discernible by ordinary observation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronlday View Post
    i was wondering if you use a shoulder holster with out wearing a coat or jacket over it. would that be open carry?
    some times i dont use a belt so wonder how i could open carry then?
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    There is a sometime poster that goes by Las Vegan, if my memory is correct I believe he open carries with a shoulder holster. Might be a good source of info.
    I do not know how to link the thread however check out Thread: OC MEETUP: Freemont Street Experience 13-14 August posted last year. I believe the second or third set of postings there is some pictures of the group of us carrying on Fremont one with a shoulder holster.
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    As posted above, concealed means "carried upon a person in such a manner as not to be discernible by ordinary observation." If you're OCing in a shoulder holster, and someone can look at your and see that you have a gun, then you are not concealing.

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    Cool thank you

    thank you. i have been wondering about this for awile. and in a way not so much as for it being legal but as in would the cops or others make a fuss about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 28kfps View Post
    There is a sometime poster that goes by Las Vegan, if my memory is correct I believe he open carries with a shoulder holster. Might be a good source of info.
    I don't know how good of a source of information I am, but yes, I do occasionally OC with a shoulder holster. I wear a suit to work every day and sometimes when I run errands after work I leave the jacket in the car. Nobody (so far) bothers a man in a suit and tie wearing a fedora and a shoulder holster. I have been called Elliot Ness once or twice, though.
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    Anyone able to suggest a good shoulder holster? they make a few types. Barrell Pointing down to ground, back towards anyone behind you, and up towards your own armpit. Thoughts? I've been thinking about picking one up for wearing a suit. A nice 100$ belt just doesn't support a gun very well. And I'm 140ish lbs. When I wear a well fitted suite...I just print no matter what type of holster I have on my belt. figured a shoulder holster could help me on dates out at casinos etc =)

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    I'd say it depends on your priority. In my case my main concern was being able to comfortably draw the pistol, and for that reason I chose a horizontal carry (with the muzzle of the pistol pointing behind me). Since you seem more concerned with printing you may be better off with a vertical carry, which in most cases will have the muzzle pointing downwards.

    Try taking your pistol in your strong hand and holding it under your weak arm in various positions, basically imitating the place that your strong hand will have to go to access the pistol's grip in order to draw it. If you have no trouble with a vertical orientation then you are set.

    I would recommend against the type of shoulder holster that uses only a strap of leather or fabric under the arm opposite your pistol and suggest that you go instead with one that is offset on the opposite side with either a pouch to hold spare magazines or at the very least a tie down with would either clip to your trousers or loop through your belt, unless you only carry a very small/light weapon.

    I think you will be very happy with either the Sleeping Dog or the Master's from JBP Holsters, and at $86 and $116 respectively, the prices are hard to beat for quality leather gear.
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    How about chest carry?

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    Quote Originally Posted by disneyr View Post
    How about chest carry?

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    I used to carry a scoped .44 in a custom leather harness for hunting and found it very uncomfortable. I think even with a smaller gun, presentation would be slow. Unfortunately a holster of any kind is a compromise between utility and comfort. I settled on a revolver in a molded leather belt holster worn between 1 and 2 o'clock. The .357 snubbie is accurate at gunfight range and powerful enough with very quick draw. Worn more upfront than to the side or back allows me to help prevent someone coming up from behind and relieving me of my firearm. As with any carry arrangement I have to be careful of snagging it on objects. I also like crossdraw and have a small .380 that I wear in that position now and then.

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    Whatever shoulder holster you get, I recommend it carries the gun muzzle-down.

    Think hard about a horizontal holster. It is no fun at all looking at the muzzle when you're standing in line behind a shoulder holster carrier. Anybody behind you in line at the grocery store, etc., is going to see the muzzle pointed right at them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Big Guy View Post
    I used to carry a scoped .44 in a custom leather harness for hunting and found it very uncomfortable. I think even with a smaller gun, presentation would be slow. Unfortunately a holster of any kind is a compromise between utility and comfort. I settled on a revolver in a molded leather belt holster worn between 1 and 2 o'clock. The .357 snubbie is accurate at gunfight range and powerful enough with very quick draw. Worn more upfront than to the side or back allows me to help prevent someone coming up from behind and relieving me of my firearm. As with any carry arrangement I have to be careful of snagging it on objects. I also like crossdraw and have a small .380 that I wear in that position now and then.

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    I too have carried a scoped 44 mag as a hunting firearm. I had seen the chest carry for the scoped pistols however did not want to have it bouncing against my chest for several hours walking through the trees and brush. I had a custom made cross draw hip holster. It worked well and I would carry it open in the rural northern Nevada small towns. Has nothing to do with the subject of this thread just the first time I heard of another 44 mag hunter.

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    Those chest rigs are popular with hunters carrying big revolvers. I think they're pretty impractical for daily carry in town.

    This is a real chest rig:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    Whatever shoulder holster you get, I recommend it carries the gun muzzle-down.

    Think hard about a horizontal holster. It is no fun at all looking at the muzzle when you're standing in line behind a shoulder holster carrier. Anybody behind you in line at the grocery store, etc., is going to see the muzzle pointed right at them.
    I know what you're talking about. On one of the strip meet-up I was walking behind Las Vegan and it can be a little distracting having a muzzle pointed you even though it's in a holster.

    Coming this Oct. I'll be a groomsman in a wedding. Knowing that I always have a gun on me, I was asked to wear a shoulder rig. The groom thought it would be "neat" for me to OC at the reception.

    I'm thinking of getting Galco's ******* rig. Looks like it would be one of the most comfortable with the larger straps. It's a horizontal rig but can be adjusted so that it's a more of a diagonal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 28kfps View Post
    I too have carried a scoped 44 mag as a hunting firearm. I had seen the chest carry for the scoped pistols however did not want to have it bouncing against my chest for several hours walking through the trees and brush. I had a custom made cross draw hip holster. It worked well and I would carry it open in the rural northern Nevada small towns. Has nothing to do with the subject of this thread just the first time I heard of another 44 mag hunter.
    Used it to hunt pigs in TX.

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    For those talking about using a shoulder holster to open carry with , you could try what I did.

    I have a Galco ******* rig but didn't like the horizontal carry for reasons already stated. Well I bought a used Bianchi X 15 rig and mated the Bianchi holster body to the Galco harness. The Galco harness is more comfortable than the Bianchi plus gives you the 2 mag pouches on the opposite side.

    By using the Holster body of the X 15 , you still have the vertical carry with a comfy harness. You might want to dye one or both pieces to make them match. I wasn't worried about the colors matching completely because I figured we would have to conceal carry in this state should we ever get to that point.

    By going through ebay I only have $95.00 in my setup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Big Guy View Post
    Used it to hunt pigs in TX.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    Whatever shoulder holster you get, I recommend it carries the gun muzzle-down.

    Think hard about a horizontal holster. It is no fun at all looking at the muzzle when you're standing in line behind a shoulder holster carrier. Anybody behind you in line at the grocery store, etc., is going to see the muzzle pointed right at them.
    I can't emphasize this enough. I think horizontal shoulder holsters are bad enough for concealed carry. You're violating Rule #1 about pointing a firearm (and a loaded one at that) at things you do not wish to destroy, even though the person behind you doesn't know there is a gun pointed at them. It's infinitely more disrespectful (even if we put aside Rule #1 for holstered weapons) to have people whom you don't even know looking down the muzzle of your firearm.

    I carry strong-side behind the hip or appendix (where only me, myself, and I get pointed at by my firearm when in a seated position). Before we were 21 (I'm 37 now), my brother and I open-carried as you had to be 21 to apply for a CCW permit. I carried a S&W Model 19 in an FBI-cant. He carried a Daewoo (remember those?) in a horizontal shoulder holster. This is long before I became a licensed firearms instructor but I can remember being embarrassed because of it on several occasions.

    Open-carry of firearms never embarrassed me, but that shoulder holster of his sure did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    I can't emphasize this enough. I think horizontal shoulder holsters are bad enough for concealed carry. You're violating Rule #1 about pointing a firearm (and a loaded one at that) at things you do not wish to destroy, even though the person behind you doesn't know there is a gun pointed at them. It's infinitely more disrespectful (even if we put aside Rule #1 for holstered weapons) to have people whom you don't even know looking down the muzzle of your firearm.

    I carry strong-side behind the hip or appendix (where only me, myself, and I get pointed at by my firearm when in a seated position). Before we were 21 (I'm 37 now), my brother and I open-carried as you had to be 21 to apply for a CCW permit. I carried a S&W Model 19 in an FBI-cant. He carried a Daewoo (remember those?) in a horizontal shoulder holster. This is long before I became a licensed firearms instructor but I can remember being embarrassed because of it on several occasions.

    Open-carry of firearms never embarrassed me, but that shoulder holster of his sure did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jfrey123 View Post
    Those chest rigs are popular with hunters carrying big revolvers. I think they're pretty impractical for daily carry in town.

    This is a real chest rig:

    http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i2..._-_Il_Duce.jpg
    That is some rig. What do you think? May be 50 plus pounds of guns ammo and rig?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    You're violating Rule #1 about pointing a firearm (and a loaded one at that) at things you do not wish to destroy, even though the person behind you doesn't know there is a gun pointed at them.
    Actually you are referencing Rule #2 here, with #1 being "All guns are always loaded." Regarding Rule #2, to directly quote Colonel Jeff Cooper, "A firearm holstered properly, lying on a table, or placed in a scabbard is of no danger to anyone. Only when handled is there a need for concern. This rule applies to fighting as well as to daily handling." (emphasis mine) In other words, a horizontal shoulder holster in no way violates Rule #2.



    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    It's infinitely more disrespectful (even if we put aside Rule #1 for holstered weapons) to have people whom you don't even know looking down the muzzle of your firearm.
    Disrespectful? Sorry, no, not any more than the average carrier is being disrespectful with the cant of his belt holster pointing the muzzle of his pistol at the legs and feet of those who are standing or walking near him. If you don't agree, take it up with the man who wrote the rules.

    Like the rest of you, I place my right to carry and to protect myself and my loved ones above the nervous feelings of hoplophobes, and this applies whether I'm doing executive protection or buying groceries at the corner market. Feel free to carry as you wish, and I'll do the same.

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    Las Vegan, for some reason I had thought that was a still shot of a movie character in your avatar. Must've been the Sepia tone.

    Think hard about a horizontal holster. It is no fun at all looking at the muzzle when you're standing in line behind a shoulder holster carrier. Anybody behind you in line at the grocery store, etc., is going to see the muzzle pointed right at them.
    I don't have any thoughts on those holsters, but I do know that some of the shoulder holsters have the muzzle end covered. Leather wouldn't stop a bullet, but that way no one would actually see the muzzle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Las Vegan View Post
    Actually you are referencing Rule #2 here, with #1 being "All guns are always loaded." Regarding Rule #2, to directly quote Colonel Jeff Cooper, "A firearm holstered properly, lying on a table, or placed in a scabbard is of no danger to anyone. Only when handled is there a need for concern. This rule applies to fighting as well as to daily handling." (emphasis mine) In other words, a horizontal shoulder holster in no way violates Rule #2.
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    Yep, you're right, that would be Rule #2 in most books. I was typing faster than I was thinking. But to say a horizontal shoulder holster "in no way violates Rule #2" seems misleading Perhaps you are rather inferring that it does not unduly violate Rule#2. If you draw, you are handling, and it seems disadvantageous to need to know who is behind you (the need for the draw is usually in front of you). Perhaps even more likely though, would be times when you must disarm/rearm, like the Vancouver court house I was reading about in another thread. I'm not going to be pedantic about it and say such holsters should not exist, but you can't ignore their extra concerns either.

    As for disrespectful, absolutely. Seeing straight down someone's muzzle must be said to be more disrespectful than noticing that the cant of a holster points it at a foot (though there would be some merit to an argument that we should avoid this as well.)

    The most dangerous things most people do when it comes to firearms is drawing, reholstering, loading, and unloading.

    This is just my personal opinion. I would reserve horizontal shoulder holsters to concealed carry so as to only focus on the safety concerns. I recognize that many consider it the best choice for them.
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    Mac, two points that you address: the fact that standing behind someone wearing a horizontal shoulder holster with an open muzzle causes one to be staring at the muzzle of a pistol, and the fact that a drawn weapon sweeps everything that it is pointed towards.

    Point one - you seem to be saying that a safely holstered pistol oriented towards your head is more "disrespectful" than a safely holstered pistol which is pointed towards your leg. I do not see how respect enters into the equation any more than safety does. Sorry. There are those who say that carrying a weapon at all is disrespectful because it upsets certain people. I would assume that your definition of "disrespectful" is not the same as theirs.

    Point two - when a weapon is drawn from its holster, it sweeps everything in its path, regardless of its original orientation when it was holstered, and it continues to do so until it is safely reholstered. This is an unavoidable fact that applies to shoulder holsters, belt holsters, belly bands, ankle holsters, "Thunderwear," fanny packs, purses, day planners, and anything else that you can think of. You may argue that a weapon drawn from a belt holster sweeps fewer objects, but that is not the same as saying that a weapon drawn from a horizontal shoulder holster sweeps objects and a weapon drawn from a belt holster does not. Again, sorry.

    Respect and safety, two issues that we should be much more cognizant of than the average citizen.
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