Is the Contact card database legal?

skidmark · Jul 6, 2011

But TFred, we can always FOIA radio traffic. Heck, I'm such a cop fan that just listening to the routine traffic on 3rd shift gets me all worked up. Who are the cops to deny me my 8-hour thrill of listening to them call in as out of service for another donut run? And yes, I'll bring my own disc for them to use if putting the recorded traffic onto.

stay safe.

Repeater · Jul 6, 2011

Gathering Data; retaining data

Well, it's becoming much harder to stay "off the grid" with databases on the people everywhere.

Now, there is this new monstrosity:

I Guess the ‘You Are All Criminals Act’ Didn’t Have the Same Ring

As you may have already guessed, the handful of provisions in the bill that really deal specifically with child porn are a fig leaf for its true purpose: A sweeping data retention requirement meant to turn Internet Service Providers and online companies into surrogate snoops for the government’s convenience. Any provider of an “electronic communication” or “remote computing” service—meaning broadband providers like Comcast, but also companies like Google—would have to retain records of the “temporarily assigned network address” (such as an IP address) associated with each account for 18 months.

I suppose that would include this board.

skidmark · Jul 6, 2011

Repeater,

In spite of the fact that, yes, they are in fact out to get you as part of a vast international conspiracy to take away your personal blankie, could you stick to the subject of "field interview cards/contacts" databases? If you can do that I'll tell you how Linus copes while his is in the washing machine.

Remember, part of this discussion is how we can make our own resident Officer Friendly's life that much more difficult.

stay safe.

grylnsmn · Jul 7, 2011

Quick update

I just got a reply asking for my mailing address for them to send the materials (as allowed under 2.2-3704 (A)). No details on what materials they will actually send.

riverrat10k · Jul 8, 2011

Nice work, Kimball K.!
Looking forward to what you get.

ak56 · Jul 8, 2011

grylnsmn said:
I just got a reply asking for my mailing address for them to send the materials (as allowed under 2.2-3704 (A)). No details on what materials they will actually send.

Of course, now they'll be adding your mailing address into the database.

Citizen · Jul 9, 2011

10. The Commonwealth or any agency or political subdivision thereof shall not collect personal information except as explicitly or implicitly authorized by law.

I'm afraid the statute authorizing police to detect and investigate crime will answer that part about "implicitly" to most any judge's satisfaction.

Of course, it works both ways. The public could begin databases on public officials.

skidmark · Jul 9, 2011

What statute authorizing the police to detect and investigate crime? Could I buy a citation, please?

stay safe.

peter nap · Jul 9, 2011

Citizen said:
I'm afraid the statute authorizing police to detect and investigate crime will answer that part about "implicitly" to most any judge's satisfaction.

Of course, it works both ways. The public could begin databases on public officials.

Begin?:lol:

Citizen · Jul 9, 2011

skidmark said:
What statute authorizing the police to detect and investigate crime? Could I buy a citation, please?

stay safe.

We saw it earlier during User's discussions about the powers of constables at the common law. Here is the relevant part, emphasis added by Citizen:

§ 15.2-1704. Powers and duties of police force.

A. The police force of a locality is hereby invested with all the power and authority which formerly belonged to the office of constable at common law and is responsible for the prevention and detection of crime, the apprehension of criminals, the safeguard of life and property, the preservation of peace and the enforcement of state and local laws, regulations, and ordinances...

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+15.2-1704

Would you like to spin again? Buy another citation? Or, solve the puzzle?

Citizen · Jul 9, 2011

peter nap said:
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Begin?:lol:

Hey! That gives me an idea!

You know what a Brady cop is? One that got caught lying. There's a Supreme Court case on it. Their proven lying apparently affects their credibility on the witness stand.

I understand each state or locality has a list of Brady cops.

I'd have to re-read the SCOTUS case to see which lies count, but I have this vague recollection that lying in their official capacity gets them on the list.

Now, follow along for a moment. Cops is allowed to lie to detainees and arrestees as part of investigating. There is a term for it in the lawyer world--permissible deception. But, I'll bet it does not cover lies like the one told to Jahwarrior the other day--the cop told him he had to conceal.

I wonder if we have a tool whereby any cop that gives an official lie, but a lie not protected by permissible deception, can be Brady-ed onto the list?

skidmark · Jul 9, 2011

Citizen said:
We saw it earlier during User's discussions about the powers of constables at the common law. Here is the relevant part, emphasis added by Citizen:

§ 15.2-1704. Powers and duties of police force.

A. The police force of a locality is hereby invested with all the power and authority which formerly belonged to the office of constable at common law and is responsible for the prevention and detection of crime, the apprehension of criminals, the safeguard of life and property, the preservation of peace and the enforcement of state and local laws, regulations, and ordinances...

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+15.2-1704

Would you like to spin again? Buy another citation? Or, solve the puzzle?

I'll solve the puzzle, if you don't mind.

I missed the earlier reference, or it slipped passed what passes for my memory. But thank you for providing the information to cure my ignorance.

stay safe.

All American Nightmare · Jul 10, 2011

Citizen said:
Hey! That gives me an idea!

You know what a Brady cop is? One that got caught lying. There's a Supreme Court case on it. Their proven lying apparently affects their credibility on the witness stand.

I understand each state or locality has a list of Brady cops.

I'd have to re-read the SCOTUS case to see which lies count, but I have this vague recollection that lying in their official capacity gets them on the list.

Now, follow along for a moment. Cops is allowed to lie to detainees and arrestees as part of investigating. There is a term for it in the lawyer world--permissible deception. But, I'll bet it does not cover lies like the one told to Jahwarrior the other day--the cop told him he had to conceal.

I wonder if we have a tool whereby any cop that gives an official lie, but a lie not protected by permissible deception, can be Brady-ed onto the list?

Got a link to that?

skidmark · Jul 10, 2011

All American Nightmare said:
Got a link to that?

http://www.google.com/search?client=qsb-win&rlz=1R3GGLL_enUS334&hl=en&q=brady+cop

Because it's soooooooo hard to look stuff up on Sundays when the Pubic Liberry aint open.

stay safe.

TFred · Jul 10, 2011

skidmark said:
http://www.google.com/search?client=qsb-win&rlz=1R3GGLL_enUS334&hl=en&q=brady+cop

Because it's soooooooo hard to look stuff up on Sundays when the Pubic Liberry aint open.

stay safe.

I'm sorry. You are all wrong. This simply cannot be. We have been assured by those authorities at the highest level that cops, who are trained to lie to their criminals, always know when it is not permitted to do so, and never lie when they are not supposed to. Just read back through the earlier threads here. You will see.

TFred

Citizen · Jul 10, 2011

TFred said:
I'm sorry. You are all wrong. This simply cannot be. We have been assured by those authorities at the highest level that cops, who are trained to lie to their criminals, always know when it is not permitted to do so, and never lie when they are not supposed to. Just read back through the earlier threads here. You will see.

Yes, yes. You are right. Sooo right. Wrong also are the big names in the outside articles linked to the wiki article about Brady vs Maryland.

Of course, we have yet to hear from these officers wives. That would be an interesting story.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brady_v._Maryland

We now hold that the suppression by the prosecution of evidence favorable to an accused upon request violates due process where the evidence is material either to guilt or to punishment, irrespective of the good faith or bad faith of the prosecution. Brady v Maryland.

http://supreme.justia.com/us/373/83/case.html

MSC 45ACP · Jul 10, 2011

skidmark said:
There is no "form" for a FOIA request in Virginia. A polite letter addressed to the Chief, asking him for "the data fields of the field contact card, by whatever name it might be known and used." should cover this area.

If there are other areas you want to get into, I'm willing to get into an exchange of PMs with you to try to cover the weasel-words.

stay safe.

WELL-PUT, Brother Skid. I look forward to the future of this thread...

MSC 45ACP · Jul 10, 2011

riverrat10k said:
Yeah, Skid, I think it is time for us all to ask. Guess the worst that can happen is another "contact" being added.

"Mr. Riverrat10k has been a colossal p-i-b constantly requesting and attempting to correct his information"

That's funnychit right there!

TFred · Jul 10, 2011

Citizen said:
Yes, yes. You are right. Sooo right. Wrong also are the big names in the outside articles linked to the wiki article about Brady vs Maryland.

Of course, we have yet to hear from these officers wives. That would be an interesting story.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brady_v._Maryland

We now hold that the suppression by the prosecution of evidence favorable to an accused upon request violates due process where the evidence is material either to guilt or to punishment, irrespective of the good faith or bad faith of the prosecution. Brady v Maryland.

http://supreme.justia.com/us/373/83/case.html

Wow... reading through that Wiki article... sorta sounds like the Surry County SOP manual... "if any exculpatory evidence is found... destroy it..."

I guess we'll have to rename it "Brady County"...

TFred

Citizen · Jul 10, 2011

TFred said:
I guess we'll have to rename it "Brady County"...

TFred

No reason not to. Re-christen the ferry SS Brady. Rename the person responsible for erasing the video, Mr. Trog "Brady" Lodyte.

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