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    Obama: No stance on gun control

    http://www.npr.org/2011/07/08/137687...a-for-inaction

    The NRA hates and fears Obama. Yet, gun control advocates also dislike Obama... Really? How is it both sides can have it both ways? As far as gun control goes, Obama could have jumped on the Gifford's situation -- but he didn't. Good for him (literally good for him, cause now he's not losing gun owner's votes.) He's not exactly a pro-gun president, but he's certainly not anti-gun.

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    I think he lost gun owner votes when he supported an all out ban on handguns...you know, a move that directly shows recklessness toward the U.S. constitution he has sworn to support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoomGoober View Post

    He's not exactly a pro-gun president, but he's certainly not anti-gun.
    He's a pseudo-president who is attempting to do his dirty work "under the radar".

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    He's anti-gun, he just doesn't have enough courage to show it. He's trying to appoint Andrew Traver to the ATF. I don't need any more evidence than that.
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    No stance? That's a lie. From the Huffington Post: "The president directed the Attorney General to form working groups with key stakeholders to identify common sense measures that would improve American safety and security while fully respecting Second Amendment rights". That bit of Orwellian doublespeak should scare you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoomGoober View Post

    The NRA hates and fears Obama. Yet, gun control advocates also dislike Obama... Really? How is it both sides can have it both ways?
    It's called being a political Moderate.
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    Saying the current administration is not anti-gun-control is like saying the CIA is not anti-communism...

    Just because their actions are not out in the open and freely acknowledged as "official policy" doesn't mean there aren't well-organized and funded covert programs to accomplish their agenda...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamer View Post
    Saying the current administration is not anti-gun-control is like saying the CIA is not anti-communism...

    Just because their actions are not out in the open and freely acknowledged as "official policy" doesn't mean there aren't well-organized and funded covert programs to accomplish their agenda...
    I am just saying that His Act is Moderate. Ideology does not always make it to the Act. Sometimes it behooves a politician to not Act on certain ideological stances; how politician of Him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    I am just saying that His Act is Moderate. Ideology does not always make it to the Act. Sometimes it behooves a politician to not Act on certain ideological stances; how politician of Him.

    Especially when a politician isn't actually making ANY policy decisions based on his own beliefs or conscience, but rather at the behest of his puppet masters, just like nearly everyone who has sat in the Oval Office for the last century.

    The ones who don't play along, learn very quickly who is REALLY running the show...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamer View Post
    Especially when a politician isn't actually making ANY policy decisions based on his own beliefs or conscience, but rather at the behest of his puppet masters, just like nearly everyone who has sat in the Oval Office for the last century.

    The ones who don't play along, learn very quickly who is REALLY running the show...
    Presidents are voted in by a certain group of individuals who happen to turn out that election season. Nothing unusual about that. People act as if President Obama is acting in an unusual manner, and He is not.

    The base, that is who's running the Show.
    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoomGoober View Post
    http://www.npr.org/2011/07/08/137687...a-for-inaction

    The NRA hates and fears Obama. Yet, gun control advocates also dislike Obama... Really? How is it both sides can have it both ways? As far as gun control goes, Obama could have jumped on the Gifford's situation -- but he didn't. Good for him (literally good for him, cause now he's not losing gun owner's votes.) He's not exactly a pro-gun president, but he's certainly not anti-gun.
    You can believe this IF you choose too but once you've reviewed his voting record on this subject as an elected represenative of Illinios OR even his many anti-gun nominees for various political appointed positions that need the approval of Congress.

    IF after reviewing the suggested material if you choose to still believe as you've stated all I have to say is that "you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoomGoober View Post
    http://www.npr.org/2011/07/08/137687...a-for-inaction

    The NRA hates and fears Obama. Yet, gun control advocates also dislike Obama... Really? How is it both sides can have it both ways? As far as gun control goes, Obama could have jumped on the Gifford's situation -- but he didn't. Good for him (literally good for him, cause now he's not losing gun owner's votes.) He's not exactly a pro-gun president, but he's certainly not anti-gun.
    Well, he waited two months. Here is the link to the president's own op-ed published in the Arizona Daily Star in March.

    http://azstarnet.com/article_011e711...fbc9dc89d.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    I am just saying that His Act is Moderate. Ideology does not always make it to the Act. Sometimes it behooves a politician to not Act on certain ideological stances; how politician of Him.
    From what I understand the potus has allegedly signed off on a plan called "Fast and Furious", that directed ATF agents to not just allow suspected arms smuglers to obtain "assault weapons", but actually funneled money to assist them, rejected FFL dealers tips, and actually had undercover agents tail smuglers all the way to the border.

    It is suspected by many that this was done intentionally to give truth to the lie that %90 of cartel guns come from US FFL Dealers. I have no illusions this will ever be traced to the desk of the potus, but I don't doubt for a minute he didn't know about it. Obozo is a common thug morally, he just has more brains than the typical ones. His actions openly regarding gun control have been moderate, I'm waiting to see what sort of executve orders the next president has to revoke.

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    Don't see how you can say that....


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    Quote Originally Posted by DoomGoober View Post
    http://www.npr.org/2011/07/08/137687...a-for-inaction

    The NRA hates and fears Obama. Yet, gun control advocates also dislike Obama... Really? How is it both sides can have it both ways? As far as gun control goes, Obama could have jumped on the Gifford's situation -- but he didn't. Good for him (literally good for him, cause now he's not losing gun owner's votes.) He's not exactly a pro-gun president, but he's certainly not anti-gun.
    just because he hasn't done anything while president YET, does not make him not anti firearms. Check his voting record, state and federal. You will see the fallacy of your statement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    Presidents are voted in by a certain group of individuals who happen to turn out that election season. Nothing unusual about that. People act as if President Obama is acting in an unusual manner, and He is not.

    The base, that is who's running the Show.
    Unusual for a president or a god? I notice now twice you have capitalised a pronoun when refering to Obama; capitalised pronouns not located at the front of a sentence are reserved for referances to the divine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daylen View Post
    Unusual for a president or a god? I notice now twice you have capitalised a pronoun when refering to Obama; capitalised pronouns not located at the front of a sentence are reserved for referances to the divine.
    Just merely capitalizing for the purposes of flinging a little crap in the faces of individuals who refer to Him as "Obuma," "potus," etc.

    I know exactly what I am doing, and so do others on here that are keen about little details such as referring to President Obama as "Him,' instead of "him." Considering I have not witnessed a Divine Being, 'divinity' has nothing to do with my reference to President Obama. I should point out that He is the President of our Nation.

    It's Hannity that continues to refer to President Obama as the "anointed one." Really, we all know the implication of Hannity's backhanded references to the President.
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    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    Ever talk face-to-face with one of tese Ubamanistas who say he's "not anti-gun" and cite all the measures he has been forced to accept as evidence that he does not want to ban firearms (despite his lifelong record of saying he does)? This is like saying some dude pays his bills and citing multiple wage garnishments as evidence.

    When these Ubamanistas say this stuff, they say it not reassuringly in a "let's get along" tone, but snarkily, with their lip curled in a sneer that says "we will win the propaganda war, and then we'll take your weapons"

    There are a lot of Democrats who are grasping at straws to save Obama, believing that this is for the good of their party. This belief is akin to treading water holding an anvil and believing that the anvil is essential to staying afloat. The sooner the Dems jettison this nincompoop, the better off they will be. Of all the Americans who made a HUGE mistake in putting Obama in the White House, the rank-and-file Dems have been burned worst of all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    Just merely capitalizing for the purposes of flinging a little crap in the faces of individuals who refer to Him as "Obuma," "potus," etc.

    "POTUS" is an acronym that is commonly used by "inside the beltway" types to refer to the President. It has been used by the Secret Service for decades, and is commonly used in DC blogs, and by both the Washington Post and Times. It is in NO way a derogatory term--it stands for President Of The United States...

    Just like SCOTUS stands for Supreme Court Of The United States.

    "Inside the Beltway" types have a propensity for "Alphabet Soup" acronyms, and such abbreviations are commonly used by DC locals. When I first moved to the DC metro area in 1987, it took me several months to be able to understand the news on TV and radio, and to be able to understand what people on the train and in the local "watering holes" were talking about...

    I lived and worked in NoVa/DC Metro area for nearly 15 years. It is a VERY odd culture of secrecy, "insiders clubs" and acronyms. Everyone seems to think they are part of some sort of super-secret handshake club--from contractors for the EPA to local municipal governments, and if you don't know the "codes" you are immediately dismissed on a sociopolitical level.

    I understand you are not a "Washington insider" so I'll take your comment about the use of "POTUS" with a grain of salt--but you need to know that if you think that is a derogatory term, that such an attitude will IMMEDIATELY brand you as "politically clueless" to "Washington Insiders"...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexcabbie View Post
    There are a lot of Democrats who are grasping at straws to save Obama, believing that this is for the good of their party. This belief is akin to treading water holding an anvil and believing that the anvil is essential to staying afloat.

    Yes, and the sooner we can get a "Republican" anvil in the pool the better off America will be, because "Republican" anvils are made of RINO hide, baksheesh money and shredded documents--all of which float...


    Quote Originally Posted by Alexcabbie View Post
    The sooner the Dems jettison this nincompoop, the better off they will be. Of all the Americans who made a HUGE mistake in putting Obama in the White House, the rank-and-file Dems have been burned worst of all.
    Yes, because the puppets on the "right" are SOOOO much more honest, honorable, and Constitutional. Even though their strings are connected to the SAME hands that control the puppets on the "left", they will somehow, magically, behave differently, and steer America back to it's true Constitutional destiny Liberty and Freedom. Yeah, I believe that...

    Just like under Nixon, Reagan and the Bushes, when we got such Constitution-supporting programs like trade normalization with China, the creation of the EPA and DoEd, the breakup of the Bell Telephone systems, the Patriot Act, two wars in Iraq (both based on complete and total lies and fraudulent "intelligence"), warrantless wiretaps, the universal surveillance of domestic email and telephone traffic by the NSA, Guantanamo Bay, the repeal of Glass-Steagall (the bill was introduced by two Republicans), and the creation of the TSA and DHS.

    Just sayin'...

    The slice of "2-Party" baloney is ROTTEN on BOTH sides.

    What we need is a different sandwich altogether...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    Just merely capitalizing for the purposes of flinging a little crap in the faces of individuals who refer to Him as "Obuma," "potus," etc.

    I know exactly what I am doing, and so do others on here that are keen about little details such as referring to President Obama as "Him,' instead of "him." Considering I have not witnessed a Divine Being, 'divinity' has nothing to do with my reference to President Obama. I should point out that He is the President of our Nation.

    It's Hannity that continues to refer to President Obama as the "anointed one." Really, we all know the implication of Hannity's backhanded references to the President.
    I didn't realise you were a Hannity listener. Perhaps you should listen to someone else more learned in law, and the structure of the USA, perhaps Beck if you really like talk radio. Obama is not the President of any Nation. He is the President our Republic; one could replace Republic with Federation, but not Nation. Such is a constitutionally incorrect falsehood that has been pushed by progressives for too long.

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    I would point out that POTUS is also regularly used in the military and as such anyone who doesn't know what it means would likely be teased for being clueless about the acronym. Or at least given all of the offices I've worked in so far, someone would tease and make fun of you (we've had a few people, typically women, who didn't know what it meant).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    Presidents are voted in by a certain group of individuals who happen to turn out that election season. Nothing unusual about that. People act as if President Obama is acting in an unusual manner, and He is not.

    The base, that is who's running the Show.
    The people who are "running the show" are the ones who anoint the "choices" we get each election cycle.

    Just like they illustrated in that South Park episode about choosing a new school mascot, US elections are nothing more than a choice between a giant ****** and a **** sandwich.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r23sM...eature=related

    And we are GIVEN that illusionary choice by the people who are REALLY running the show.

    In fact if you want to know who is going to get the Republican Nomination in 2012, just watch the news and see which candidate attends the next Bilderberger meeting. Apparently that is where they get their blessings, like Clinton, Bush, and Obama all did before they ran...
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    Quote Originally Posted by dogsandhogs View Post
    Well, he waited two months. Here is the link to the president's own op-ed published in the Arizona Daily Star in March.

    http://azstarnet.com/article_011e711...fbc9dc89d.html
    I'd just like to note -- Obama basically says NOTHING in that entire op-ed. His three points are:
    1) Enforce existing laws. (Duh.)
    2) Reward states for more data. (Not sure if this means more gun tracking or just data about guns in general. Anyway, it's a pretty hollow statement with no follow up.)
    3) Make the system faster and nimbler (Same level of Duh as number 1.)

    Anyway, typical politician BS -- ask one about a particular issue and he'll answer both sides without taking a stand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexcabbie View Post
    Ever talk face-to-face with one of tese Ubamanistas who say he's "not anti-gun" and cite all the measures he has been forced to accept as evidence that he does not want to ban firearms (despite his lifelong record of saying he does)? This is like saying some dude pays his bills and citing multiple wage garnishments as evidence.
    I hope you aren't referring to me, because I have stated nothing close to President Obama being pro-gun, or not anti-gun. I have stated that there is a a difference between what he would like to do, and what he has a snowballs chance in hell of doing. There is zero political will to restrict firearms, and even less than zero to ban firearms; fear-mongering is all that type of talk is.

    When these Ubamanistas say this stuff, they say it not reassuringly in a "let's get along" tone, but snarkily, with their lip curled in a sneer that says "we will win the propaganda war, and then we'll take your weapons"
    Nothing unusual about propaganda. Propaganda has been the tool of politicians since the first politician crawled from under a rock to run for some thing.

    There are a lot of Democrats who are grasping at straws to save Obama, believing that this is for the good of their party. This belief is akin to treading water holding an anvil and believing that the anvil is essential to staying afloat. The sooner the Dems jettison this nincompoop, the better off they will be. Of all the Americans who made a HUGE mistake in putting Obama in the White House, the rank-and-file Dems have been burned worst of all.
    President Obama has surely not went as far as most of us hoped with regard to everything other than firearms. Then again, the Republican pool looks pretty damn week. If President Obama is so bad then Republican, and the soon-to-be dead "tea party" movement should be able to come up with a viable candidate to run against the President.

    I read every day, probably much more than I should, but, in my readings, I have yet to see a viable Republican candidate.

    President Obama still has a pretty damn good approval rating, so I anticipate that Republicans are going to get their sh*t together soon, and find themselves a good runner. McCain, possibly, again LOL?
    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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