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    Prohibited Places?????

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    Can anybody find where it says we can NOT carry into a County Tax Collectors, County Water Dept, or other type places? Or are these ok places, Because I am not seeing it...
    I went to get plates today and the County Sheriff that is posted there told me that it is Not an allowed place. What do you think?

    (12)(a) A No license issued under pursuant to this section
    50 does not shall authorize any person to openly carry a handgun or
    51 carry a concealed weapon or firearm into:
    52 1. Any place of nuisance as defined in s. 823.05;
    53 2. Any police, sheriff, or highway patrol station;
    54 3. Any detention facility, prison, or jail;
    55 4. Any courthouse;
    56 5. Any courtroom, except that nothing in this section would
    57 preclude a judge from carrying a concealed weapon or determining
    58 who will carry a concealed weapon in his or her courtroom;
    59 6. Any polling place;
    60 7. Any meeting of the governing body of a county, public
    61 school district, municipality, or special district;
    62 8. Any meeting of the Legislature or a committee thereof;
    63 9. Any school, college, or professional athletic event not
    64 related to firearms;
    65 10. Any elementary or secondary school facility or
    66 administration building;
    67 11. Any career center;
    68 12. Any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense
    69 alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which
    70 portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such
    71 purpose; any elementary or secondary school facility; any career
    72 center;
    73 13. Any college or university facility unless the licensee
    74 is a registered student, employee, or faculty member of such
    75 college or university and the weapon is a stun gun or nonlethal
    76 electric weapon or device designed solely for defensive purposes
    77 and the weapon does not fire a dart or projectile;
    78 14. The inside of the passenger terminal and sterile area
    79 of any airport, provided that no person shall be prohibited from
    80 carrying any legal firearm into the terminal, which firearm is
    81 encased for shipment for purposes of checking such firearm as
    82 baggage to be lawfully transported on any aircraft; or
    83 15. Any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited
    84 by federal law.
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    If it has a sheriff substation, then probably not allowed. Were you printing? I try to go to the one without a substation as you are correct, it is not prohibited there.

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    A few cops don't know what is really legal or not. They just know what they don't like, so they offer personal OPINIONS. If it's just a county tax office it's perfectly legal for a permit holder to carry there. I've done it many times.

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    He sounds like a good one to test "briefly" on.

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    Rick H -

    Several months ago, I had to renew the registration on my car. I went to the local office of the Lee County Tax Collector's office and was surprised to see a "no firearms/weapons" sign on the door. It had only been there for two weeks, according to the clerk who handled my transaction. When I got home, I fired off an e-mail to the County Tax Collector and asked under what authority could the county forbid firearms in the office. I got a reply within an hour that they would find out from the department responsible for management of the building, as that is where the sign came from. About two hours after that, I got an e-mail that the sign would be removed by the end of the next business day. Sure enough, it was gone the next day.

    Please let me know in which county and at which office the sign exists. Florida Carry will have its legal staff contact the agency and get the sign removed. Also, if it is possible, please take a picture of the sign and send it to rich@floridacarry.org.
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    Quote Originally Posted by im4Christ92 View Post
    If it has a sheriff substation, then probably not allowed. Were you printing? I try to go to the one without a substation as you are correct, it is not prohibited there.

    I would think that if a sheriff substation was sharing a county building, then only that particular section used by the sheriff would be prohibited...not the entire building.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich7553 View Post
    Please let me know in which county and at which office the sign exists. Florida Carry will have its legal staff contact the agency and get the sign removed. Also, if it is possible, please take a picture of the sign and send it to rich@floridacarry.org.
    To everybody reading this.

    Rich WILL follow up on any of these signs you find and if you will take the time to take a photo of it, that reallys helps out.

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    Howdy Amigo!
    Of course, the easy answer would have been to ask him what specific statute he was referring to for your personal edification. "Not being argumentative, deputy, I'd just like to know what specific statute prohibits carry here."

    Odds are better than average, he won't be able to name one.

    Whereupon, essentially, he'll drop it like a hot license plate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M-Taliesin View Post
    Howdy Amigo!
    Of course, the easy answer would have been to ask him what specific statute he was referring to for your personal edification. "Not being argumentative, deputy, I'd just like to know what specific statute prohibits carry here."

    Odds are better than average, he won't be able to name one.

    Whereupon, essentially, he'll drop it like a hot license plate.

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    You're right, except for your last statement. The deputy would cite the ordinance. And he'd be right. The legal precedent is that ordinances are considered lawful until successfully challenged in court. That's why the new statute provides for "loser pays". It's not that ordinances couldn't be challenged up till now, it's that even if you won you'd be stuck with a hefty legal bill. That changes on October 1st.
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    What about a church?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich7553 View Post
    Rick H -

    Several months ago, I had to renew the registration on my car. I went to the local office of the Lee County Tax Collector's office and was surprised to see a "no firearms/weapons" sign on the door. It had only been there for two weeks, according to the clerk who handled my transaction. When I got home, I fired off an e-mail to the County Tax Collector and asked under what authority could the county forbid firearms in the office. I got a reply within an hour that they would find out from the department responsible for management of the building, as that is where the sign came from. About two hours after that, I got an e-mail that the sign would be removed by the end of the next business day. Sure enough, it was gone the next day.

    Please let me know in which county and at which office the sign exists. Florida Carry will have its legal staff contact the agency and get the sign removed. Also, if it is possible, please take a picture of the sign and send it to rich@floridacarry.org.
    There is not a sign but the officer said this as a statement. I will go back up there and ask him if he can re-sight the info for me or show evidence of his statement.
    I'll let you all know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 10x View Post
    What about a church?

    Private property rules apply

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrjam2jab View Post
    Private property rules apply
    Explain please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 10x View Post
    Explain please?
    There is no legal prohibition on carrying in a church, but you should either remove your firearm or yourself if they ask you not to carry there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randian View Post
    There is no legal prohibition on carrying in a church, but you should either remove your firearm or yourself if they ask you not to carry there.
    Or ignore it and carry discretely.
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    Thanks guys, I go to church and leave my gun in the car because I thought it was illegal. I will feel better now that I can carry there. Some of these prohibid laws are just plain nonsense, every time I do not have my gun on me I feel naked and vulnerable. Hopefully we can change some this and be allowed to carry everywhere!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mas49.56 View Post
    A few cops don't know what is really legal or not. They just know what they don't like, so they offer personal OPINIONS. If it's just a county tax office it's perfectly legal for a permit holder to carry there. I've done it many times.

    few? don't you mean most?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rich7553 View Post
    or ignore it and carry discretely.
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    my son was playing a travel baseball tournament in kissimmee this past week, and this was the second time we had gone to this particular place for a tournament. it is the Osceola County Softball Complex, and it has a "no firearms allowed" sign at the entrance.

    now, my thought it, the county can't put that sign up there because a county park isn't a prohibited place. but my other thought was, if the people who rented the park for the tournament put it up there, maybe it would be legal. but then i would just carry discretely.


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    Quote Originally Posted by hammer6 View Post
    my son was playing a travel baseball tournament in kissimmee this past week, and this was the second time we had gone to this particular place for a tournament. it is the Osceola County Softball Complex, and it has a "no firearms allowed" sign at the entrance.

    now, my thought it, the county can't put that sign up there because a county park isn't a prohibited place. but my other thought was, if the people who rented the park for the tournament put it up there, maybe it would be legal. but then i would just carry discretely.


    whatcha think?
    Reading 790.06 (12) a park with an athletic event which is not (...any school, college, or professional athletic event...) is not a prohibited place and the county is in error with their sign.

    Good test case?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ironside View Post
    Reading 790.06 (12) a park with an athletic event which is not (...any school, college, or professional athletic event...) is not a prohibited place and the county is in error with their sign.

    Good test case?
    Perhaps. If the park was leased, we lack case law on that particular situation. It has been suggested that the county cannot extend any rights or privileges to a tenant that it itself does not enjoy. Translated, since the county cannot ban firearms in the park due to preemption, they cannot allow a tenant to do so. However like I said, there isn't any case law on it. We've seen several examples of this, but we need to have money in the coffers to take the issue to court in case we need to appeal or lose. We're still investigating it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 10x View Post
    Thanks guys, I go to church and leave my gun in the car because I thought it was illegal. I will feel better now that I can carry there. Some of these prohibid laws are just plain nonsense, every time I do not have my gun on me I feel naked and vulnerable. Hopefully we can change some this and be allowed to carry everywhere!
    You are good as long as your church doesn't meet in a public school building like mine does.

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    Could this be construed as to include a church with Sunday School #9

    (12)(a) A license issued under this section does not authorize any person to
    openly carry a handgun or carry a concealed weapon or firearm into:

    1. Any place of nuisance as defined in s. 823.05;
    2. Any police, sheriff, or highway patrol station;
    3. Any detention facility, prison, or jail;
    4. Any courthouse;
    5. Any courtroom, except that nothing in this section would preclude a
    judge from carrying a concealed weapon or determining who will carry a
    concealed weapon in his or her courtroom;
    6. Any polling place;
    7. Any meeting of the governing body of a county, public school district,
    municipality, or special district;
    8. Any meeting of the Legislature or a committee thereof;
    9. Any school, college, or professional athletic event not related to
    firearms;
    10. Any elementary or secondary school facility or administration
    building;
    11. Any career center;
    12. Any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic
    beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose; any elementary or secondary
    school facility; any career center;
    13. Any college or university facility unless the licensee is a registered
    student, employee, or faculty member of such college or university and the
    weapon is a stun gun or nonlethal electric weapon or device designed solely
    for defensive purposes and the weapon does not fire a dart or projectile;
    14. The inside of the passenger terminal and sterile area of any airport,
    provided that no person shall be prohibited from carrying any legal firearm
    into the terminal, which firearm is encased for shipment for purposes of
    checking such firearm as baggage to be lawfully transported on any aircraft;
    or
    15. Any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law.
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