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    what happens if i carry in a bar?

    so if i am carrying in a bar, and i get caught carrying, what is the punishment for that? fine? jail time? i usually carry when i go out, cuz i feel like thats when im in the most danger, but im starting to consider not carrying as of the risks of getting caught...

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    (12) No license issued pursuant to this section shall authorize any person to carry a concealed weapon or firearm into any place of nuisance as defined in s. 823.05; any police, sheriff, or highway patrol station; any detention facility, prison, or jail; any courthouse; any courtroom, except that nothing in this section would preclude a judge from carrying a concealed weapon or determining who will carry a concealed weapon in his or her courtroom; any polling place; any meeting of the governing body of a county, public school district, municipality, or special district; any meeting of the Legislature or a committee thereof; any school, college, or professional athletic event not related to firearms; any school administration building; any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose; any elementary or secondary school facility; any career center; any college or university facility unless the licensee is a registered student, employee, or faculty member of such college or university and the weapon is a stun gun or nonlethal electric weapon or device designed solely for defensive purposes and the weapon does not fire a dart or projectile; inside the passenger terminal and sterile area of any airport, provided that no person shall be prohibited from carrying any legal firearm into the terminal, which firearm is encased for shipment for purposes of checking such firearm as baggage to be lawfully transported on any aircraft; or any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law. Any person who willfully violates any provision of this subsection commits a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hvtopiwala View Post
    so if i am carrying in a bar, and i get caught carrying, what is the punishment for that? fine? jail time? i usually carry when i go out, cuz i feel like thats when im in the most danger, but im starting to consider not carrying as of the risks of getting caught...
    It does not matter what the punishments would/are for "getting caught". The point of the matter, is that you are inquiring about whether or not the punishment for breaking a law, would be severe enough to not "risk" breaking a law. Bottom line= your breaking the law!

    First off, the mere fact of you asking this question, provides proof that you should not be carrying a firearm on your person, EVER. People such as yourself, are the reason law abiding gun owners have to deal with the media and others preaching "gun owners can not be trusted"!

    Second, if your statement: "im starting to consider not carrying as of the risks of getting caught", is a serious one... I ask you to please, in the consideration of law abiding gun owners, ABSOLUTELY STOP CARRYING A FIREARM! You obviously have been and continue to, illegally carry your firearm. Except of course, when you are worried of being caught doing so.

    Third, if an individual decides to carry a tool (firearm in this case) for the purposes of self protection, said individual needs to know the laws that govern their doing so, without question! Go to http://www.handgunlaw.us for state by state gun laws.

    Lastly, it is rather disheartening to know that you and others like you, are the reason a good portion of the general public believe the b.s. that "gun owners can't be trusted"!

    If you were caught (which might be best in your case), you would be fined, jailed, ect... But more importantly, local news would most likely run a small story, of a local man arrested for illegally carrying/concealing a firearm. As I am sure it has yet to even come into consideration by yourself, do you realize how many local gun owners your selfish and idiotic carelessness, would effect?

    If I have misunderstood your question, correct me. If not, immediately put your gun in a safe and only bring it out for range time. As well, do not carry your firearm without knowing and understanding your local laws. Thus, when you have another question, it is not pertaining to your taking intentional "risks" of breaking a law.

    STOP CARRYING COMPLETE!!! To answer your question.

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    Oh, this is a legitimate thread. When I read the thread title, I thought it was the opening line for a new joke.

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    ok firsrt off, i am a law abiding citizen and have been carrying for several months. i carry my firearm to protect my life, and i carry everywhere i go, and it HAS saved my life more than once. i carry to bars and nightclubs, because that is where i believe the most danger normally is (people get drunk, act stupid, pull weapons on u and u are defenseless). i am willing to go to jail to protect me, and my family. and when i said stop carrying because of the risks, i was referring to carrying in bars and nightclubs, not carry entirely. have u ever gone to an ale house and walked to the bathroom while carrying a firearm? if you have, YOU BROKE THE LAW SO MAYBE YOU SHOULD STOP CARRYING TOO??? you should watch who you are talking too before you start calling people selfish and the reason why people are scared of guns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hvtopiwala View Post
    ok firsrt off, i am a law abiding citizen and have been carrying for several months. i carry my firearm to protect my life, and i carry everywhere i go, and it HAS saved my life more than once. i carry to bars and nightclubs, because that is where i believe the most danger normally is (people get drunk, act stupid, pull weapons on u and u are defenseless). i am willing to go to jail to protect me, and my family. and when i said stop carrying because of the risks, i was referring to carrying in bars and nightclubs, not carry entirely. have u ever gone to an ale house and walked to the bathroom while carrying a firearm? if you have, YOU BROKE THE LAW SO MAYBE YOU SHOULD STOP CARRYING TOO??? you should watch who you are talking too before you start calling people selfish and the reason why people are scared of guns.
    As I stated, correct me if I'm wrong. With that said, no, I have not gone to an "ale house" or any derivative of such with a firearm. It's illegal and stays in my vehicle. I have carried for many years, both oc and cc. The odd thing is that I have never gone to any establishment, which A) does not allow my carrying of a firearm and B) where "gangsters" are drunk and looking for a fight. I avoid most situations with which I might need to use my firearm, regardless of my oc'ing or cc'ing.

    Based on your minor clarification (needed in original posting), you are still stating that a law is up for ones interpretation. To which, I must say, it is not! The fact that you "clarified" to some degree, reiterating the fact that you have been and currently continue breaking the law, when at bars, clubs, ect. Because you don't feel safe. Why the hell are you intentionally going to a place "where i believe the most danger normally is (people get drunk, act stupid, pull weapons on u and u are defenseless)" in the first place? To top it off, you think that by going to these "unsafe" places strapped, it's going to make it safe.?. I got news for you... If you are going to a place with prior knowledge, that drunken idiots might use their firearm (or any variation of such), what makes you honestly believe that these drunken idiots would be persuaded just because you can whip one out too?

    Lastly, I stand entirely behind my prior statements. You should stop playing Cowboys and Indians, and get real. Not to mention using that thing in-between your shoulders. Honestly bud, don't be offended (just read what you wrote aloud) by what I have told you. Instead, use it as motivation to get educated on the laws, training and so on. When you fire back at me with "you should watch who you are talking too before you start calling people selfish and the reason why people are scared of guns". Maybe you should watch your tongue and think before opening your mouth (said non-threateningly). Especially based on your prior statements, you are going to encounter an individual one of these days, who could care less. At that point, your cowboys and indians game is over and your "family" is missing there loved one.

    Don't be stupid, for your families sake.

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    I'm with OP. The following video will show what happens when you don't break the law. You get to watch your family die in front of you.




    With that said, I avoid areas where I would expect trouble/people looking to pick fights. Night clubs...meh...not worth my time. Check out what happened at Panama City's school board meeting, everyone in the room was obeying the law, what kept them alive? An active shooter with a terrible shot!

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    Any law that violates the Constitutions* IS NO LAW AT ALL. The ACTUAL problem is all the idiot Americans who follow those laws anyway...and then (verbally and socially) blast other Americans who don't.

    Does anyone here actually believe that the Founders were sitting around in John Adams' tavern UNARMED because they believed a bar should be a gun free zone?

    * Federal and state.
    Does anyone here actually believe that the Founders were sitting around in John Adams' tavern UNARMED because they believed a bar should be a gun free zone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 230therapy View Post
    Any law that violates the Constitutions* IS NO LAW AT ALL. The ACTUAL problem is all the idiot Americans who follow those laws anyway...and then (verbally and socially) blast other Americans who don't.

    Does anyone here actually believe that the Founders were sitting around in John Adams' tavern UNARMED because they believed a bar should be a gun free zone?

    * Federal and state.
    ...you could face stupid in the street and kill it. This, IMHO, would solve a lot of problems
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    Quote Originally Posted by 230therapy View Post

    Does anyone here actually believe that the Founders were sitting around in John Adams' tavern UNARMED because they believed a bar should be a gun free zone?
    I will be stealing this quote from you and using it over and over again with my fellow CWL holders at work who worship the CWL of florida and all it's holiness..

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    Quote Originally Posted by 230therapy View Post
    Does anyone here actually believe that the Founders were sitting around in John Adams' tavern UNARMED because they believed a bar should be a gun free zone?
    That's a keeper and I'm officially "stealing" it as of right now for future emails to my buds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 230therapy View Post
    Any law that violates the Constitutions* IS NO LAW AT ALL. The ACTUAL problem is all the idiot Americans who follow those laws anyway...and then (verbally and socially) blast other Americans who don't.

    Does anyone here actually believe that the Founders were sitting around in John Adams' tavern UNARMED because they believed a bar should be a gun free zone?

    * Federal and state.
    I fully agree with your statement. However, being arrested, jailed, fined, ect. will leave you with a record, massive fines and above all... Gunless. If you are telling me that you believe it is okay to not follow certain laws due to their infringement of the Constitution, then you would also be telling me that you could careless about carrying a firearm for self protection.

    It is simple, nowadays, the laws in place are to force Americans to live in a constant state of fear and/or to live dependent on the local/state/federal for protection. However, this does not mean those are the only options. The other is carrying a firearm. By exercising your right to do so, unfortunately you must follow the laws governing such. By choosing not to do so, you risk never being able to carry a firearm again. Is it your opinion that the aforementioned is worth it?

    IMHO I would rather avoid such places or situations (if possible) and continue with protecting my person and property. Your belief that laws in violation of the Constitution, are not laws, is theoretically correct. But your contradiction that continuing to break "laws" in order to do so, is okay. Well, that is incorrect. By doing so you give up your right to protecting yourself and family via firearm. So at that point, would you believe that breaking the "law" was the best thing? Or avoiding such places and continuing to utilize your right?

    Good quote by the way.

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    im not going to stop living my life, and not enjoy myself by not going out with my family and friends to places that prohibit firearms. im willing to go to jail for my family by carrying in a prohibited place if it saves their lives, and i hope any1 would be willing to go to jail for their family. some laws are bloody ridiculous...i have a right to protect my life from drunk idiots, and i believe everyone does.

    and to further clarify what u wrote...its not illegal to carry in ale house, but it is illegal to be in the bar area of the establishment with a firearm but i gurantee you 50% of CWP holders have done it

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    If only some people were as ardent about changing bad laws as they are about, well...other things.

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    I don't necessarily agree with breaking the law, and I am not sure what your definition of family is because we all have different situations. If you are carrying a concealed weapon in a prohibited area, the only advice that can really be helpful here is either don't, find an area where you believe you will be safe and leave your gun at home (that's probably your most dangerous area), or check out the definition of concealed. Don't show it, don't talk about it, deny you even own a gun if asked about it.

    I live in Virginia and here we can carry openly and consume alcohol in bars, I am not getting into don't drink while you are carrying debate at the moment, or we can conceal carry and not consume alcohol. I will not carry concealed and drink in a bar, I don't usually open carry in a bar either but being married with children I don't usually make it in to many bars. I did carry in several malls that people tell me are off limits when my daughter was living at home, but I always made sure I walked in a door that did not have a no guns sign on it. When you are walking into a place with your wife and child knowing that if you need defend them you can it really puts things into perspective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hvtopiwala View Post
    ok firsrt off, i am a law abiding citizen and have been carrying for several months. i carry my firearm to protect my life, and i carry everywhere i go, and it HAS saved my life more than once. i carry to bars and nightclubs, because that is where i believe the most danger normally is (people get drunk, act stupid, pull weapons on u and u are defenseless). i am willing to go to jail to protect me, and my family. and when i said stop carrying because of the risks, i was referring to carrying in bars and nightclubs, not carry entirely. have u ever gone to an ale house and walked to the bathroom while carrying a firearm? if you have, YOU BROKE THE LAW SO MAYBE YOU SHOULD STOP CARRYING TOO??? you should watch who you are talking too before you start calling people selfish and the reason why people are scared of guns.
    If you have only been carring for several months and it has saved your life more than once, you need to change your life style!!! I only hope you get arrested before you get killed or you kill some one else. It is really hard to protect your family when your not here, for what ever reason. This is just MHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 230therapy View Post
    SNIP Does anyone here actually believe that the Founders were sitting around in John Adams' tavern UNARMED because they believed a bar should be a gun free zone?
    Wait! John Adams had a tavern? I thought he was a lawyer?

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    Whoa! Is that Senator Chuck Schumer in the Suzanna Gratia Hupp video looking smug?

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    What happens when you carry into a bar?

    Well, since it's concealed it's unenforcible... You can't see it. Nobody can.

    Nothing happens when you carry into a bar. No matter how many times you do it. I choose not to reveal how I know this. ;-)
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    Just carry a small gun. If it's concealed all the way, no body will know.
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    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    IMHO, it's better to carry wherever you need to (concealed) and just hope that you never have to use it. This is strictly hypothetical, of course! BTW, what's with the ************* of flaming some guy that is asking about some advice? It's like he's wearing a scarlet letter or something. BFD if he is carrying in a bar...he's not the first and certainly won't be the last!

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    You carrying a loaded firearm into a bar which is already prohibited statues not only are you asking to have a really bad day by getting caught, but worst of all you will be giving all law abiding gun owner's a really bad name. I seriously recommend that you don't carry inside any bar or club.
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    I can understand the dilemma one finds oneself in when trying to decide if carrying in public places that are prohibited by law, though unlawful, may or may not be prudent. Personally, I would avoid such places to the extent possible, but I wouldn't advise one way or the other; only that you give an awful lot of consideration to the possible consequences of either decision. However, I would advise that you respect the wishes of private property owners who poorly decide to prohibit firearms on their property. In my opinion, private property must be respected just as much as the 2A and your right to defend yourself. It really gets my goat when people think they have a right to do as they wish with or on the property of others.
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    FUBAR, i didnt know u were on this board, im actually one of the part owners of the Loft in gville, ur setup is right across the street from our club. ive had to "present" my firearm twice when people were acting very belligerent at our club. but ive also had to use it during an attempted car jacking...im not hanging out in the wrong spots, just at the wrong places at the wrong time lol...

    in the end of the day, i will still continue to carry where prohibited to protect mine and my families lives, because thats all that matters to me.

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