(1) I am pretty sure this violates a rule on the site. As for my argument being shot down, I think not. HI points don't get a history of being a poor performer by having a few issues here and there, but it is well know that HI's are not quality firearms. Also the military, police departments and firearms instructors share my opines of theses toss away firearms. Show me one police department or military that uses these firearms if there just as good as any other "expensive handgun", if this was true you would see them everywhere just like the AK47. In todays money stricken city's police departments would be selling their Glocks, Colts, HK's or any other "expensive firearm" for the much cheaper Hi points.
And what rule might that be? I did not call
you an elitist snob, I referred to your "elitist snobbery," that is, your
words. Which is what they are.
So you think all reputations are automatically deserved then? Tell that to any 12 year old middle schooler who comes home in tears because their school reputation is ruined by people like you spreading deceit and misinformation about them. Small Japanese cards used to have a reputation as "junk." SO did Korean cars. The M-16/AR15
still has a reputation for jamming. Point is, none of them are deserved. Mlutz mentioned that the HP carbine may be in use in some departments, and I've seen some photos indicating it may be in use with the Coast Guard as well. It's a pretty distinctive looking gun. And that's hardly a valid argument to being with, considering there are hundreds of models of handguns on sale in the US and the military only uses ONE model, and the various police depts use perhaps a couple dozen. So you think all those other guns are crap too?
If the Soviet Union had been handing out HiPoints like they did with AK's to anyone who'd call themselves communists, they
would be everywhere too.
If you want to pay for the 1000 rounds of 45 ACP for my Colt 1911 I would be more that happy to. I will even go out and buy a NEW Hi point and do the test side by side, but like the saying goes wish in one hand and crap in the other. I am positive the Colt will make it through this test and I am positive the HI point wont make it through half of that ammo. I know I can post several independent 1000 round test as well as the Military tests that go way beyond the amateur tests in that video. There are plenty of Colt, Glock, Springfield, RRA, ect. independent torture test but I have yet to see an independent 1000 round test for a Hi point.
And I am positive the HP
would make it though that test, because IT ALREADY HAS! That's the part you don't get! You're adamantly denying
first hand information that what you're saying is not correct. You're basically calling all of us who speak to the reliability of HiPoints liars.
As for money is no option is nonsense, I rather invest in a quality firearm that not only holds its value but has PROVEN track record to protect my family.I guess because I choose to collect and purchase quality firearms, You can label me a snob! As for your sarcasm blowup towards the end you certainly cant have a mature conversation with the adults in the room.
If you can't handle a little sarcasm, especially on
this forum, I think you're the one who can't have an adult conversation.
Once again, listen to people
who actually one and use the gun and you'll see they DO have a proven track record. Much more proven than your third-party hearsay. And I make reference to your snobbery not ONLY because you reject inexpensive firearms without evidence,
you also cast dispersions on anyone who does rely on them.
From Miriam-Webster
Snob
2 : one who blatantly imitates, fawningly admires, or vulgarly seeks association with those regarded as social superiors3 a : one who tends to rebuff, avoid, or ignore those regarded as inferior
b : one who has an offensive air of superiority in matters of knowledge or taste
By what twisted and febrile logic does it follow that a negative comment about a firearm equates to a personal insult against every person who owns or has EVER owned that particular firearm?
Seriously man? Seriously? I honestly don't think you're that dense. Let me see here, I believe your
exact words were, and I quote:
Trusting a HI-point with your life is as dumb as hiring a crack whore with watching your kids.
In what twisted and febrile logic is calling someone DUMB
not an insult?
A lifetime,
no questions asked, full replacement warrantee is ONE indicator of product fitness. It means the manufacturer is confident enough in the quality of their product they they don't fear going broke from honoring it. That strategy has been working pretty well for the auto industry of late, as many manufacturers are including
factory warranties up to 100k miles. Your comparison to a dealer-added warrantee is a red herring, that's tacked on by the SELLER, not the MAKER, after the fact, to make the SELLER more money. MANUFACTURER warranties have typically been an affirmation of quality.
That's ONE indicator. You have also been offered a plethora of YouTube destruction videos, several first-hand accounts from users here, and
here's a link to dozens more, go ahead and read to your closed mind's content. I'll even throw in an
unbiased magazine review. Do a little googling and you'll find plenty more. Yet with all this evidence you have countered with nothing but hearsay, anecdotes, and unsubstantiated "reputation."
You adamantly refuse to admit even the
possibility that you might be wrong, when you have prodeced ABSOLUTELY NOTHING of substance to back up what you're saying! THAT is why I call your
statements elitist snobbery: you assert that something is crap merely because it's inexpensive, and that anyone who relies on it is unworthy and beneath you.
Yeah, you're damn right I find that insulting.
