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    Kicked Out of BWW

    Manager told me a customer complained and that they do not allow firearms inside building unless you are a police officer.There were 3 police officers in the building eating lunch when i was there.One of the officers was at my table,my nephew a County police officer.
    No signs on the windows and i have eaten there many times before open carry.Actually the manager sent a waitress to our table,i told her if a manager had a problem he could tell me and he finally decided to come out the back where i guess he was hiding..I told him i have been a customer a long time,been there many times oc and had a permit.He said sorry it was the owners rule.I slowly finished my drink which we had to pay for.Our order had already been taken and our food was about to arrive.I guess they all got to split a $60 dinner order because i left after finishing my cola.
    This was in La Porte In

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    No more money for them. Hope you are going to write a "nice" letter letting them know how you feel.
    "When seconds count between living or dying, the police are only minutes away."

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    I am fairly certain that even if I only have one bite left of my dinner, IF THEY ARE ASKING ME TO LEAVE I AM ASKING FOR A REFUND OF MY MONEY! If they don't want me as a customer then they have no ethical reason to keep my money as it is a contract between us.

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    BW3 is an Ohio based company which is known over here as having an extreme anti-gun policy, at least for their corparate owned stores.

    They have had most of their stores here posted with no gun signs, even though alcohol serving serving restaurants are already prohibited and need not post a sign (RRestaurant carry law goes into effect in OCT). Here is a recent thread:

    http://ohioccwforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=52515

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    Reply from BWW from my "nice" letter

    Hello



    Buffalo Wild Wings respects the right of individuals to carry firearms but we do not believe they are appropriate inside of a public restaurant. We are focused on the comfort, safety and enjoyment of all of our guests and have elected to exercise our right to restrict the carrying of firearms in our restaurants. We regret any inconvenience this may cause but believe that this policy is in the best interest of all of our guests and our Team Members.



    Kind Regards,



    Guest Relations

    Buffalo Wild Wings

    5500 Wayzata Blvd.

    Suite 1600

    Minneapolis, MN 55416

    800-499-9586

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    Quote Originally Posted by wanakanabe View Post
    Reply from BWW from my "nice" letter
    Thank you. Here is my response to them:


    I have recently learned that your corporate policy concerning firearms is that you "do not believe they are appropriate inside a public restaurant." This viewpoint concerns me greatly. Many law abiding gun owners (and law enforcement officers) believe that firearms are the most appropriate way to defend oneself against any threat.

    If possessing a means for defending myself and my family against the threat of violence is not appropriate in a public restaurant, then where is it appropriate?

    I have been a patron of BWW for many years, but will no longer do business with you while you insist that your customers remain defenseless inside your doors.
    I submitted it here at their "contact us" page.
    http://listening.buffalowildwings.com/contact.php#

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    Good response. You got your point across and they have lost a good customer.
    "When seconds count between living or dying, the police are only minutes away."

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    I got the same C&Pd response as you did, so I replied to that again. I think they have a bot that finds the word "gun" or "firearm" and chooses the response to send. I'm done with B-Dubs.


    Thank you for your automated form letter response, Danielle.



    I understand that you are focused on the comfort and enjoyment of only your guests who do not wish to carry means to defend themselves. Being a former guest who wishes to have means to defend myself, my family and I do not feel comfortable disarming. Since I live and eat in Indiana, it would be perfectly legal for me to disregard your rules and carry a concealed firearm on your property, but to do so would be to contribute to a company that rejects my basic human right to self defense.

    As to your focus on the safety of all your guests, I think your company is sorely mistaken in its assertion that requiring me and other law-abiding gun owners to disarm can make anybody safer. Those of us who lawfully carry firearms for our own protection are far from being a threat. Those who illegally carry with the purpose of committing crime are never deterred by corporate policies that request customers to be defenseless.



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    From: Danielle Tallman <DTallman@buffalowildwings.com>
    To: "cce1302" <cce1302>
    Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 1:02 PM
    Subject: Buffalo Wild Wings Guest Comment Response


    Hello



    Buffalo Wild Wings respects the right of individuals to carry firearms but we do not believe they are appropriate inside of a public restaurant. We are focused on the comfort, safety and enjoyment of all of our guests and have elected to exercise our right to restrict the carrying of firearms in our restaurants. We regret any inconvenience this may cause but believe that this policy is in the best interest of all of our guests and our Team Members.



    Kind Regards,



    Guest Relations

    Buffalo Wild Wings

    5500 Wayzata Blvd.

    Suite 1600

    Minneapolis, MN 55416

    800-499-9586
    Last edited by cce1302; 07-12-2011 at 01:36 PM.

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    I hate those form letters. If a customer takes the time to write a letter, the company should at least do the same.
    "When seconds count between living or dying, the police are only minutes away."

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    I sent them a form explaining that I will respect their rights since they respect mine and no longer be their customer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wanakanabe View Post
    Reply from BWW from my "nice" letter

    Wow..nice form letter...
    It's so nice to see that the Corp. HQ, couldn't even put your name on the letter, and of course...no one actually put their name on the bottom...
    Some of the best impersonal personal service I have yet to see....
    We've got at BW3 or "BDubs" here near my house. Perhaps I should see what their policy is?
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    This makes me want to go and OC! Let them see one more lost customer!

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    Ask them if they ever heard of Luby's Cafeterial in Killeen, Texas. 23 dead, 20 wounded, all by a madman, and nobody was permitted by law to carry inside at the time. Defenseless customers are potential targets, nothing more.

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    Simular Situation Brings Up Interesting Question..

    I have often wondered (under the above situation).. could/would the business be held libel (I guess that's the word I'm looking for), for not providing sufficient security against crime if something happened there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireStar M40 View Post
    I have often wondered (under the above situation).. could/would the business be held libel (I guess that's the word I'm looking for), for not providing sufficient security against crime if something happened there?

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    "Liable"

    and no, I don't think so.

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    Maybe they should be. And one of the reasons I like Wisconsin's new law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Statkowski View Post
    Ask them if they ever heard of Luby's Cafeterial in Killeen, Texas. 23 dead, 20 wounded, all by a madman, and nobody was permitted by law to carry inside at the time. Defenseless customers are potential targets, nothing more.
    I have always wondered why this is not mentioned in most of the letters folks send. To listen to Suzanna Hupp tell the happenings and her feelings of the massacre is very moving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireStar M40 View Post
    I have often wondered (under the above situation).. could/would the business be held libel (I guess that's the word I'm looking for), for not providing sufficient security against crime if something happened there?

    FireStar M40
    Years ago I had an opportunity to speak to one of the corporate attorneys for a medium size oil company that owned several company stations. They had a sign on their door saying no firearms allowed. I asked her if the company was assuming the responsibility for my safety since they have taken away my ability to defend myself. She gave me a typical attorney answer, but I noticed a few months later that the signs had been removed from the company stores.

    Perhaps a coincidence, perhaps not.

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    I kind of went back on my word today.


    I ate lunch at B-Dubs.




    But....it was free.....and I open carried.


    I had just picked up my 2 younguns from preschool at noon, and stopped @ Lowes (Who have never said a word to me about open carry). B-Dub is putting in a new restaurant just across the parking lot, and as I pulled out of lowes, I saw a guy standing in front of B-dub holding a sign that said "Free food." at first I thought it was a homeless guy, but I digress. I pulled in and asked what's up and he said that they don't actually open until thursday but they're training staff and giving away food. They're also taking all the tip money they receive and donating it to a local hospital. So...I went in with my kids and ate lunch, left a tip, and thanked them for the food. I was carrying a handgun safely in a holster, but visible to anybody who walked by. I sat with my right (gun) side exposed. Nobody said anything. I walked in there prepared to leave if they told me I could not have a gun in there, but it never came up.


    I know I did something I said I wouldn't, but my conscience is clean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cce1302 View Post
    I kind of went back on my word today.


    I ate lunch at B-Dubs.




    But....it was free.....and I open carried.


    I had just picked up my 2 younguns from preschool at noon, and stopped @ Lowes (Who have never said a word to me about open carry). B-Dub is putting in a new restaurant just across the parking lot, and as I pulled out of lowes, I saw a guy standing in front of B-dub holding a sign that said "Free food." at first I thought it was a homeless guy, but I digress. I pulled in and asked what's up and he said that they don't actually open until thursday but they're training staff and giving away food. They're also taking all the tip money they receive and donating it to a local hospital. So...I went in with my kids and ate lunch, left a tip, and thanked them for the food. I was carrying a handgun safely in a holster, but visible to anybody who walked by. I sat with my right (gun) side exposed. Nobody said anything. I walked in there prepared to leave if they told me I could not have a gun in there, but it never came up.


    I know I did something I said I wouldn't, but my conscience is clean.
    Well look at it this way, B dubs didn't get any of your money....and you got to carry your gun! this was a win win for you!
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    Not sure what happened to this corporate policy

    I just ate at BWW yesterday during the horrible Colts loss to the Chiefs. I've carried in there, openly and concealed, numerous times with no issues (and they have no signs posted)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffrey Sampson View Post
    I just ate at BWW yesterday during the horrible Colts loss to the Chiefs. I've carried in there, openly and concealed, numerous times with no issues (and they have no signs posted)
    BWW is a known anti OC / CC company. No guns = no $
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