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    SB93 is now 2011 Act 35

    http://legis.wisconsin.gov/2011/data/SB93hst.html

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    t has not been published, however.

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    has there been a date set when it will be published???
    is there a date when it has to be published????
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    Quote Originally Posted by oliverclotheshoff View Post
    has there been a date set when it will be published???
    is there a date when it has to be published????
    Not that I can find. It would have to be no more than 10 business days from 'approval' (governor signature) so no later than 7/22.

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    thanks paul
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    Quote Originally Posted by paul@paul-fisher.com View Post
    Not that I can find. It would have to be no more than 10 business days from 'approval' (governor signature) so no later than 7/22.
    because he had a few of his meager duties taken away, expect the full delay to 7/22.

    Functionally--

    Changes to these statutory sections take effect on the day after publication (= July 23, 2011)

    66.0409 (6) - Disorderly Conduct policy in local ordinances.
    165.25 (12) - List of Recognized States by DoJ
    175.49 (4) - Design of certification card for LEO’s by DoJ
    175.60 (2m) - Design of License Document by DoJ (to be completed by the 1st day of the 2nd month = September 1, 2011)
    175.60 (4) - Training Requirements
    175.60 (5) - Design of Application Form (to be completed by the 1st day of the 2nd month = September 1, 2011) and Renewal Form (to be completed by the 1st day of the 36th month = July 1, 2014) by DoJ
    947.01 (6) - Disorderly Conduct policy modification of state statute.

    These two nonstatutory sections also take on that day:

    Section 100 (1) - bureaucratic trivia
    Section 100 (2) - DoJ to initially issue licenses ASAP receiving an application but no longer than 45 days. Could start as early as form is available or late as September 1st. The rest of the law, including 21 day processing starts November 1st.

    People may want to consider beating the drums to get the application form completed. Not that DoJ would get the form out before the last possible day but to make sure that it is available September 1st. If it isn't done - who is going to enforce the statutory command? Perhaps selective communication with the AG by people in "leadership" positions could help keep the focus. A blizzard of e-mails by anybody with a passing interest is recommended against. Remember 45 days is the max. There is no reason that an application turned around on 9/1 can't result in an application in the mail 9/2. The AG issued a LEOSA-based permit three years ago. They apparently already have the means to fabricate the physical license.
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    Quote Originally Posted by apjonas View Post
    21 day processing starts November 1st.
    21 day processing starts December 1st.

    (2) Notwithstanding section 175.60 (9) (b) of the statutes,
    as created by this act, beginning on the effective date
    of this subsection and ending on the first day of the 5th
    month
    beginning after the effective date of this subsection,
    the department of justice shall, as soon as practicable
    and without delay, but no longer than 45 days, after
    receiving a complete application under section 175.60
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    Yet, once again paul,

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    Quote Originally Posted by apjonas View Post
    because he had a few of his meager duties taken away, expect the full delay to 7/22.
    Maybe. The much more controversial budget bill was signed on a Sunday and published the following Tuesday... only took 2 days. There's nothing to be gained by waiting two weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apjonas View Post
    because he had a few of his meager duties taken away, expect the full delay to 7/22.

    Functionally--

    Changes to these statutory sections take effect on the day after publication (= July 23, 2011)

    66.0409 (6) - Disorderly Conduct policy in local ordinances.
    165.25 (12) - List of Recognized States by DoJ
    175.49 (4) - Design of certification card for LEO’s by DoJ
    175.60 (2m) - Design of License Document by DoJ (to be completed by the 1st day of the 2nd month = September 1, 2011)
    175.60 (4) - Training Requirements
    175.60 (5) - Design of Application Form (to be completed by the 1st day of the 2nd month = September 1, 2011) and Renewal Form (to be completed by the 1st day of the 36th month = July 1, 2014) by DoJ
    947.01 (6) - Disorderly Conduct policy modification of state statute.

    These two nonstatutory sections also take on that day:

    Section 100 (1) - bureaucratic trivia
    Section 100 (2) - DoJ to initially issue licenses ASAP receiving an application but no longer than 45 days. Could start as early as form is available or late as September 1st. The rest of the law, including 21 day processing starts November 1st.

    People may want to consider beating the drums to get the application form completed. Not that DoJ would get the form out before the last possible day but to make sure that it is available September 1st. If it isn't done - who is going to enforce the statutory command? Perhaps selective communication with the AG by people in "leadership" positions could help keep the focus. A blizzard of e-mails by anybody with a passing interest is recommended against. Remember 45 days is the max. There is no reason that an application turned around on 9/1 can't result in an application in the mail 9/2. The AG issued a LEOSA-based permit three years ago. They apparently already have the means to fabricate the physical license.
    my emphasis above


    There is no statutory command in 175.60 (5) for the applications to be available on 9/1/11. If that was the legislative intent, it was not made clear. It may be possible that applications will be available on 9/1/11, but it was not mandated that they should be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BROKENSPROKET View Post
    my emphasis above


    There is no statutory command in 175.60 (5) for the applications to be available on 9/1/11. If that was the legislative intent, it was not made clear. It may be possible that applications will be available on 9/1/11, but it was not mandated that they should be.
    This is not meant as sarcastic as it sounds...but by that logic they don't ever have to make the form available. Not 9/1, not 11/1, not ever.

    However, since on a period starting the day after the law is published and ending on Dec 1st they have 45 days to respond to an application, it is only logical to assume (though you're correct it's not guaranteed) the form will be available as soon as it's finished.

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    They just said it will be published 7/22. That means it takes effect 7/25 for all the 'day after' stuff.

    https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/2011/proposals/sb93

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